Mr. Mister
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Lol @ the helicopter shuttle. This thread is amazing.
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FCC is to vote on net neutrality
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JordanN
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Not an argument.
Euphor!a said:
No one is using your road. They've all taken off and founded their own community where you're banned from doing business from.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Where is it best where it is limited? Which superpower in the world, which country in the vicinity of the population and scale of the US, has a limited government that proves to you that it is 'best'? It should be an easy question to answer if you are that certain.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
"Limited government" is almost always a dog whistle for gutting social programs.
JordanN
Banned
What about government dictating who is allowed to have abortions? Or which country to invade next?
Less government means more freedom and more responsibility. No one loses except those who refuse to take charge.
llien
Member
And how does this get addressed with "the less government the better"?
Standard Oil Co vs United States
JordanN
Banned
A monopolistic government tells a monopolistic business what they can do.
That's somewhat of a double standard, even if it represents the greater good.
But if the idea is "all competition ceases to exist once a company grows large enough in the free market" I would still say that can be remedied. Another conglomerate could enter the same industry if they feel they would be threatened by the growing Oil one.
Or the monopoly could collapse one day on its own, and we naturally see the fragmented pieces spin off into their own businesses.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Fiscal conservatism is foundationally an attack on the poor and middle class who receive benefits and assistance from programs that are cut from 'starving the beast'.
The latest conservative tax bill is exactly more of that alongside the corporate welfare.
Manus
Member
I'm just saying Netflix uses 37% of the USA's bandwidth during peak hours.
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-bandwidth-usage-internet-traffic-1201507187/
Our ISP's have every right to charge them more or throttle their speed than other companies. I'm all for the way the internet is now I just think we need more ISPs in the USA. If some of these companies actually put some money into these ISP's to expand things would be so much better. I'm sure their still places out their with only one or two internet companies to choose from.
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/netflix-bandwidth-usage-internet-traffic-1201507187/
Our ISP's have every right to charge them more or throttle their speed than other companies. I'm all for the way the internet is now I just think we need more ISPs in the USA. If some of these companies actually put some money into these ISP's to expand things would be so much better. I'm sure their still places out their with only one or two internet companies to choose from.
7echnicolor
Member
holy shit at jordanL's dumbass libertarian logic taking over this thread. dude is seriously stunted.
TheDeadHeroAlistair
Member
Not quite correct. Netflix subscribers are responsible for the traffic, not Netflix itself.
JordanN
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When people call me names, it means they don't disagree or cannot come up with a counter rebuttal.
I've been on this site for the past two weeks and every time someone cannot debate, they have to resort to swearing or name calling, as if that somehow makes me wrong.
So I hope no one thinks they're being smart or trying to scare me when I've seen this all play out before.
Your whole "not an argument" bit is just dumb because your post before was "not an argument". You see your problem is your answer to everything basically just boils down to "Well that is not how it would be in MY libertarian utopia. Where all millionaires are benevolent. Companies give away "free" gifts. All the poors are dead. There are no monopolies. No one is exploited. And there is fucking in the streets over how excited people are to be living under corporate rule."
You don't have an argument. You have a fantasy.
lol. I've seen you disappear from over a dozen debates in like less than a week, and that is just what I've seen. What you're describing has not happened, sorry.
Username1198
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Anyone who wants to get rid of NN is either profiting from it, is ajit pai, or someone who doesnt know what it is, or someone who does understand it and is genuine pos.
I cant believe we even have to fight for this. Corporations are fucking us in the ass while picking our pockets. They are getting wayyyyyyyyyy to powerful. Its scary as shit.
I cant believe we even have to fight for this. Corporations are fucking us in the ass while picking our pockets. They are getting wayyyyyyyyyy to powerful. Its scary as shit.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I think you're delusional, quite frankly. You have beliefs, but that doesn't automatically mean you are making compelling or coherent arguments for them. Maybe ask yourself why you are getting called names without automatically believing that you aren't doing anything wrong.
Blood Borne
Member
So please explain why corporations such as Google, Apple, Amazon and Netflix support net neutrality if they're not going to profit from it?
This is a classic example of public naivety and credulity. Virtually all policies are lobbied by some corporation. What's good for the public is always secondary. Policies are made on which corporation(s) has the most influence and money.
Net neutrality will benefit some corporations such as the aforementioned, and net neutrality being cancelled will benefit some corporations such Verizon, Comcast, AT&T, etc
JordanN
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Ask yourself why haven't I called anyone names or just blurt out swears?
I had a an argument in real life about this. He's an overzealous Christian, who absolutely cannot or would not listen to criticism.
When I point this out, he swears and swears and believes Christianity can never be at fault for anything. When I point out why does he need to swear or why doesn't Jesus act the same way in the bible, he says God doesn't care and would let Christians do anything.
Even though I know the last part is false, you have to understand how frustrating it is when I deal with people who think they have a moral high ground over me but then it turns out I'm not the one flailing my arms and going on a rampage over the simple fact going berserk doesn't win an argument.
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At the end of the day, I will always value sanity and logic over pure batshit arrogance and stubbornness. I could do the whole "flail my arms and swear the most" tactic too but I wont. Not because I'm incapable, but because such behavior leads to nowhere and thus is a waste of my time.
It also continues to fuel my suspicion how flawed government is. Do you really the believe the government likes being criticized for any of their day to day action?. Nope. When people prop them up with their tax dollars, they give them a blank check to say "fuck you" to everyone and that's the reason why every country has so many problems. You empowered them, now you pay for it.
Username1198
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Doesnt Comcast own Hulu? If NN is destroyed, whats gonna stop Comcast from slowing down the speed of Netflix and keeping Hulu normal? Id be a little worried if I were Netflix. Same with amazon.
And I dont trust google and apple. Fuck them. Its just like Exxon or other oil companies supporting clean energy and other bullshit. They just say that shit to confuse dummies, we know those companies are evil.
Are you for NN being dismantled?
Yep, instead you just like to ignore criticism and disappear, apparently thinking you "won" or some such nonsense.
That is way better.....
Gormless Noodle
Member
It's unavoidable at this point I guess. I really hope this doesn't fly over to the EU as a lot of American things tend to do. Either way it's probably going to be quite devastating for US middle and small businesses, outside of what the users have to suffer through.
Blood Borne
Member
Ridiculous logic. Calling people names in argument/debate shows the person has no rebuttal, shows immaturity and the person can't keep their emotions in check.
This isn't happening, move along.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
You literally don't make any sense. What you post are simply feelings, how you personally feel about things. It's not rational, well reasoned, formed from sincere and meaningful debate, and certainly not well argued. You're putting the cart before the horse. Maybe reflect on that.
universalmind
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It has been interesting to see how the_dobald reacts to this. Half of them seem to blindly support taking net neutrality down simply because they are brainwashed, and the other half are trying to think for themselves and realising it directly affects them and having an internal battle.
RPGCrazied
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Night Angel
Member
I wouldn't worry about Netflix. It's ubiquitous enough to where it would hurt cable companies just as much as Netflix if they throttled it, and in the end Netflix can afford to pass whatever fees they might face to their consumers.
Be more concerned for any new company who tries to make an entrance to that (or any) market.
RPGCrazied
Member
This first woman voting is like hell no.
Need 2 more.
Need 2 more.
RPGCrazied
Member
Ajit will vote yes, its over. Its suing time.
The vote is going to be 3-2 in favour of repeal. A bit OT but it was women (black specifically) that helped stave off an alleged pedo and a bigot from entering senate and today it's another two women who are fighting for net neutrality.
RPGCrazied
Member
"On the advice of security, we are going to take a brief break".
Kyle8497
Member
What was that all about?
RPGCrazied
Member
The courts have to save us now. I doubt congress will lift a finger on this. But lets pray the courts overrule this.
Blam
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Someone called in a bomb threat.
TheContact
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if you're against net neutrality you're either
1) brain damaged
2) alt-right (also see #1)
3) a troll
4) getting bribed
there's literally no other explanation
1) brain damaged
2) alt-right (also see #1)
3) a troll
4) getting bribed
there's literally no other explanation
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Yay republicans!
Vicetrailia
Member
States too, Washington St. Vowed to uphold it. Better live in a blue state.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Unfortunately like in many other industries; Buying influence through lobbying, putting ISP people in charge of FCC. Like hiring a dingo when you need a babysitter.
tkscz
Member
That dingo never touched that baby
Why is lobbying even still legal? It's basically bribing people to create or bend laws into the favor of the rich.
goldenpp72
Member
This is why we can't have nice things.
Hope you like paying for the millenials meme addon package down the line
uggg.
You don't automatically "WIN" an argument if you get called a name. You are not a five year old.
People are just exhausted with this pseudointellectual libertarian bullshit. We clawed through one hundred thousand years of savage jungle law to build an infrastructure to peacefully exist with 7 billion other people...only to hear some arrogant beneficiary of this sit back and tell me we need to start breaking down the scaffolding
tkscz
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Lol what world are you living in where this is a thing? The most we have are agreements not to kill each other and even then we fail at keeping to those agreements.