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Fighting Game Headquarters |4| Cheers Love, the Anime's Here!
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shaowebb
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Meh. I saw it as more of a "you guys don't pay any attention to titles you aren't into and talk out your ass on things you know nothing about." KI, NRS, BB being poorly designed artistically? Pftt...yeah okay.
You don't like something thats one thing, but claiming it was badly designed? Yeah thats ridiculous. These titles work the themes of their roster to the breaking point most times from color, to animation, to linework. Stellar art teams on them all.
You don't like something thats one thing, but claiming it was badly designed? Yeah thats ridiculous. These titles work the themes of their roster to the breaking point most times from color, to animation, to linework. Stellar art teams on them all.
RockTurtle
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but what about the man-faces
It's a feature bro
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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People frequently confuse appeal for quality, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that there's a lot of shit talking crossing beyond the appeal line.
NRS making sure to rep ugly women like that one guy who made that Overwatch thread wanted?
shaowebb
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Thats something you don't see in the sketch drafts of the character. Design and implementation can become removed from each other. I was and still am certain this was caused by someone who was rough in Zbrush doing a beginner error of stretching a model to uniformly make her body type a bit lankier to her limbs a longer looking appeal. If you lengthen a leg to show sexier legs your arms look to short and then the torso and so on. Many just use stretching to get things that are minor stretches, but if you don't mask the head you get Raven. Sharp jaws become boxy, foreheads become long, chins become firm and your textures make you have the highest eyebrows ever. You do that it stretches the head and the textures as well if the UV's are in place. You can see instances of a blurred texture on the worst models. Wonder Woman especially.
Horrible, but a failure on the modelers part, not the character designer or animator.
This honestly is the most concise way to describe all this and as we all know I am not good at making explanations small. I am ridiculously thorough.
The model is the end product and what the consumers see. That reflects poorly on the original design even if the original design might be stellar. Consumers aren't playing concept arts.
This may come as a shocker but the average consumer is far more critical of these end product designs than just about anyone in this thread. You guys catching feels over opinions on a forum? Just take these designs on the street and ask every day folk whether they would want to play as those characters... then realize why certain fighting games aren't as popular as they should be despite having excellent aesthetics (according to you) and game play design.
This may come as a shocker but the average consumer is far more critical of these end product designs than just about anyone in this thread. You guys catching feels over opinions on a forum? Just take these designs on the street and ask every day folk whether they would want to play as those characters... then realize why certain fighting games aren't as popular as they should be despite having excellent aesthetics (according to you) and game play design.
It's not just one game for NRS either. This has been a constant criticism for that company starting with MK9 and it has continued though Injustice, MKX, and now Injustice 2.
You can throw the modelers on the bus, but they still seem can't get faces right. So it's either they are okay with how their in game models look, or they seem to employ incompetent modelers over multiple dev cycles. Which is it?
I thought that was the conclusion we came up with! NRS and to a lesser extent KI get criticized mostly for their bad models, not actual designs. New Cinder is a legit awful design though, so is Injustice's Scorpion.
RockTurtle
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where does jojo's fall
no need to answer, it's all fabulous
Professor Beef
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Nah
Its the face mask that totally kills the new Cinder for me, why did they give the mask a mouth?
QisTopTier
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From a playstyle and mechanic standpoint Xrd is probably the most welcoming and inviting game for fans of fighting games.
So many characters use mechanics and play styles from other games as their gimmick.
Ramlethal is a tekken character has ewgf, 3d game style strings and juggle combos, has unique wall splat combos that take note from tekken.
Slayer, kum, leo, faust, and KY all mesh well with street fighter styles.
Bedman, chipp millia, and zato mesh with marvel
Sol meshes with kof
Jacko meshes with blazblue
There are more and some characters mesh with multiple games but it's really something that's unique to gg imo
So many characters use mechanics and play styles from other games as their gimmick.
Ramlethal is a tekken character has ewgf, 3d game style strings and juggle combos, has unique wall splat combos that take note from tekken.
Slayer, kum, leo, faust, and KY all mesh well with street fighter styles.
Bedman, chipp millia, and zato mesh with marvel
Sol meshes with kof
Jacko meshes with blazblue
There are more and some characters mesh with multiple games but it's really something that's unique to gg imo
NRS games actually have a slew of bad animations and I am willing to go in huge detail about it over PM if someone wants to actually read through it. But of course just like the talk about aesthetics it's just going to get brushed aside as "you don't know what you are talking about because you aren't an animator".
The bottom line of "you don't do work on it" and thus you can't criticize it is a bad one and doesn't promote forum discussion. Most people here shouldn't be allowed to criticize games because they don't work on them so they don't know how hard it is to make even simple stuff in games.
But as consumers it's pretty easy to see when some game does something well and another doesn't do as well. Even if both games are well above the "good" category, if one does a lot better than it makes the other game look a lot worse. Kinda like the GGXrd effect.
The bottom line of "you don't do work on it" and thus you can't criticize it is a bad one and doesn't promote forum discussion. Most people here shouldn't be allowed to criticize games because they don't work on them so they don't know how hard it is to make even simple stuff in games.
But as consumers it's pretty easy to see when some game does something well and another doesn't do as well. Even if both games are well above the "good" category, if one does a lot better than it makes the other game look a lot worse. Kinda like the GGXrd effect.
RockTurtle
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"God's Beard!"
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What shaowebb is trying to say is that I'm the only one allowed to shit on ASW characters.
notworksafe
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";207705029]What shaowebb is trying to say is that I'm the only one allowed to shit on ASW characters.[/QUOTE]
if anyone knows ugly, it's you
if anyone knows ugly, it's you
shaowebb
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";207705029]What shaowebb is trying to say is that I'm the only one allowed to shit on ASW characters.[/QUOTE]
Nah. Pretty much the folks confusing appeal and quality thing was the best summary. Being an animator or not doesn't factor at all. And yes NRS does have some animations that are just sloppy, but it also had some that were stellar. Also remember I wasn't focusing on just one studio in that list. KI, BB, and NRS all have stellar character design. Very well thought out stuff in all of them.
Once again though quality not being the same as appeal. Like it or not though I say that the designs cannot be in good faith called bad quality in these series. Implementation? Yeah sure. Tons of hit or miss instances in the 3d ones for sure though BB is the most solid of the 3 at implementing what it designed IMO because it doesn't have to reinterpret designs into a new media via 3d modeling stages.
For what its worth I mock the shit out of Jojo designs, but given the way the characters in the series move, and utilize their themes with their personalities I can't call the designs bad quality entirely...the over the top posing and outfits though are a haaaaaaaaaaaaard sell on appeal though, but I got to admit they fit the themes of the fighting styles and personalities most times in this oddly toned series. Its probably why it developed such a following. Its very different but it went so far out the other side on design that it actually created its own universe with how folks behave and look. Its an anomaly, but it was designed to do what it does. If ever there was a series where just looking at someone's picture was not even a quarter of the design its this one apparently.
Nah. Pretty much the folks confusing appeal and quality thing was the best summary. Being an animator or not doesn't factor at all. And yes NRS does have some animations that are just sloppy, but it also had some that were stellar. Also remember I wasn't focusing on just one studio in that list. KI, BB, and NRS all have stellar character design. Very well thought out stuff in all of them.
Once again though quality not being the same as appeal. Like it or not though I say that the designs cannot be in good faith called bad quality in these series. Implementation? Yeah sure. Tons of hit or miss instances in the 3d ones for sure though BB is the most solid of the 3 at implementing what it designed IMO because it doesn't have to reinterpret designs into a new media via 3d modeling stages.
For what its worth I mock the shit out of Jojo designs, but given the way the characters in the series move, and utilize their themes with their personalities I can't call the designs bad quality entirely...the over the top posing and outfits though are a haaaaaaaaaaaaard sell on appeal though, but I got to admit they fit the themes of the fighting styles and personalities most times in this oddly toned series. Its probably why it developed such a following. Its very different but it went so far out the other side on design that it actually created its own universe with how folks behave and look. Its an anomaly, but it was designed to do what it does. If ever there was a series where just looking at someone's picture was not even a quarter of the design its this one apparently.
Professor Beef
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I've beaten God's Beard repeatedly in Marvel, I'm allowed to badmouth Jojo
shaowebb
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As ridiculous as the fighting powers of the characters in Jojo are I really don't think you could tell a story like that without the characters purposely being overly ridiculous in both their body language and clothing. The tone of fights would just seem entirely seperate or off otherwise.
Remember, I am not a fan of Jojo either. Has very little appeal to me and I mock its silliness, but I gotta respect it for what its doing as having quality design work to carry its style of character personalities/fightings styles/and tones. Its designed very carefully IMO.
Remember, I am not a fan of Jojo either. Has very little appeal to me and I mock its silliness, but I gotta respect it for what its doing as having quality design work to carry its style of character personalities/fightings styles/and tones. Its designed very carefully IMO.
SquirrelSoup
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Even funnier since Kane may be the premier US Lili player, and here he is playing Kazumi -against- Lili.
I love those Tiger Uppercut high crushes, haha. I hope you can still have a good conversion in FR.
MiniBossBattle
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Happy Father's Day fgw. I paid for my lunch my kids gave to me.
ZeroTheShadow
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Kazumi is top 5 in 7.0. Scary thing is Namco doesn't think she is that good so they might buff her.
Sounds like I found my main in Tekken 7
shaowebb
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Its the thought that counts. Its kind of cute and sweet. How old are they?
sixteen-bit
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Is that gootecks?
MiniBossBattle
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7 and 3. I am not sure I would let them order for me again. "Egg and a coffee". They at least get turkey sandwiches. I ended up getting a French dip.
FadedRevolution
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I might do it
I'll do it and be amused for like a few hours before dropping the game entirely again
Yup
JeTmAn81
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I'm pretty sure my wife spent more buying stuff she wanted at the fancy gluten-free bakery we ate at than she spent on me for Father's Day.
It's all my money anyway
skLaFarebear
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PogChamp
Kane is a waifu player, those can easily bounce to the better waifu.
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