It does, however, cause a small "Hey, wait a minute..." moment as while the mothers can't die, the fathers can. Doesn't that imply that all the mothers are pregnant already?
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Fire Emblem Awakening |OT2| PAL reinforcements
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Woah.
dakkumauji
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NeonZ
Member
It has nothing to do with paradoxes. Changing the future didn't erase Lucina and co, in spite of those versions of them not existing in the new future. The main problem is that the mothers (and also some characters, like Lissa and Frederick) are often mentioned in support conversations that don't involve them. If you look at the child's supports, most children never mention their father in the present outside of supports with them, but they can mention their mothers. Female Morgan works in the opposite way, she can mention her father, but she'll never talk about her mother outside of supports with her own mother or shinning tile quotes with her.
It's basically what Nah accuses her father of (Donnel in my case, dunno if it's different depending on the father)
Nah: "What I don't get is why you had to marry her so fast, unless you got her-"It's basically what Nah accuses her father of (Donnel in my case, dunno if it's different depending on the father)
Nah's Father: <SUSPICIOUSLY SPECIFIC DENIAL!>
If it wasn't for Anna/Tiki's A Support, it would easily have been my favorite support in the game. Poor Donny looked so embarrassed.
dakkumauji
Member
Besides some line changes to reflect who the father is, they are pretty much the same thing.
Some of the MU supports are different depending on your gender. Lon'qu is definitely different since you know, he isn't scared of men.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Dual System or Pairing Up. Which is better or do they have different purposes?
JaseMath
Member
I've wondered this as well. Do you get the same benefits with both? Obviously you can cover more ground if you pair up and then separate, but other than that, are the benefits the same?
Trojita
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You can protect another unit. You can make sure you also always get support points between the two character if they are compatible without having to always move them up next to each other.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Hmm? I didn't realise there was an inherent compatibility between characters. I presumed that you could pair anyone with anyone thus improving their compatibility there-forth onwards. Your comment seemed to imply some are not compatible with others - but from what I've seen, I can pair anyone I want??
peanutbutterlatte
Member
So, this is the holy grail of retail. Nowhere to be found apart from GAME at the gouging price of £40.
You can use the Pair Up mechanic with any pair of characters, which leads into the utilization of the Dual System, where two of your units fight together in battle. If the characters are support-compatible (everyone has their own list which can be viewed in-game), their bonds improve as they continue to fight together, and as they initiate special support conversations with each other, they become more capable of assisting each other in battles and earn stat bonuses like improving hit and critical hit rates.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Dual system and pair up are two different things, but they go together.
The dual system is where you have two characters together in battle, and the second character has a chance to attack the enemy or defend you depending on your support rank and stats. This works when two non-paired up units are side by side on the field, or with two units that are paired up.
Pairing gives you the above, plus the stat bonuses that you can see when you use the pair command.
The dual system is where you have two characters together in battle, and the second character has a chance to attack the enemy or defend you depending on your support rank and stats. This works when two non-paired up units are side by side on the field, or with two units that are paired up.
Pairing gives you the above, plus the stat bonuses that you can see when you use the pair command.
CornBurrito
Member
So what skills do I want on my Olivia mothered Lucina?
Aveyn Knight
Member
Luck +4 for completion.
You could also go for Galeforce, but that just means grinding Olivia instead of Lucina, who's a better fighting unit.
Or if you meant a Skill set, I was actually making one today.
Aether, Rightful King, Astra/Galeforce, Lethality, Swordfaire/Limit Break.
CornBurrito
Member
Bah for some sick reason Lucina inherited Olivia's +2 speed instead of +2 luck since I reclassed Olivia as a pegasus knight :/
I thought the skills were locked once S rank was completed. bleh.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Fortunately +4 luck isn't something you would really use long-term.
It's fine,
I'd go Armsthrift/Aether/Swordfaire/Rightful King/Galeforce myself for Lucina. The armsthrift is for the forged Brave Swords/Spears. And that's ignoring great skills like Luna/Sol/Dual Strike +/Dual Guard +.
They pretty much all do with limitbreaker, and they should be coming close to hitting 50 with pair up bonuses (obviously they have to be in the lead for that to work).
dakkumauji
Member
Just flat 50 Luck or higher without Limit Breaker would be Owain as Donnel's son, Brady as Donnel's son or Nah as Donnel's daughter.
CornBurrito
Member
Buhhhhhh thats gonna take so much grinding!
Also I know people recommend getting the kids a bit later since their starting stats are based off those of the parents, but is there any harm in getting the kids ASAP if I can? I'm going to be grinding them up to max stats anyway.
dakkumauji
Member
The chapter you recruit the kids could be pretty tough depending on which kid it is.
Don't pair up for this one. You get enough units to form a wall, do this:
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EDGE OF MAP
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X T X
X X
XXXNo one can reach Tiki like that. You will have an extra unit available to roam, make that someone who can heal, if needed. Or place Lissa(or another Staff user) with a Physic or better yet, a Fortify in the square north of Tiki. Or someone powerful enough to actually go out and hunt the enemy. As long as you leave no gaps in the wall.
All you have to do then is take the hits and counter. Don't make an opening in the wall, they'll go for Tiki, but if they can't reach her, they'll attack your weakest link. Consider an unarmed General to draw in enemies, maybe. Or Lon'qu with a powerful sword and Vantage.
You can try forming a wall on one side and putting your killers on the other, but the enemies will attack the weakest in range if they can't reach Tiki.
Do you have Rally Strength/Magic/Spectrum? That would be immensely useful to up your damage, and try and position your units to get the maximum benefit for double attacks. Otherwise you might have to grind a bit. Goes without saying but field as many wind spells, bows and wyrmslayer/beast slayer weapons as you can, and throw in Olivia too as she won't get attacked (provided she's not walling Tiki off).
I don't even use Tiki. :/
edit: I did it on hard which is why I couldn't put up a complete wall.
I think you can use a rescue staff to reposition her (it's been a while since I did that map and I didn't need to use it).
CornBurrito
Member
So I made Kjelle with Sully x Donnel.
What skills would you recommend for Kjelle?
What skills would you recommend for Kjelle?
Ayup, Inigo's map is going to be pretty much impossible if you think you can tackle it right after chapter 15.
If you don't mind the grind. Armsthrift/Sol/Galeforce/Aegis/Pavise
If Kellam has Rally Defense, it's immensly useful here, too.
Also, here's a dirty little trick to do, too:
The person on R being a staff user with a Rescue Staff. Rescue Tiki. Since South and West is blocked by one of your units, she can't be put there, so she'll be put to the east of the Rescuer. Two squares away from the nearest point an enemy can reach.
Now make an even better wall, with paired up units and possibly Kellam with Rally Defense and a javelin in the spot where Tiki was. Or just someone who can take a ranged hit and deal damage back, but it's the perfect Rally spot.
Also, here's a dirty little trick to do, too:
Code:
EDGE OF MAP
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XR X
XTX
XNow make an even better wall, with paired up units and possibly Kellam with Rally Defense and a javelin in the spot where Tiki was. Or just someone who can take a ranged hit and deal damage back, but it's the perfect Rally spot.
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah I don't mind the grind.
Actually those look like very much the same skills I want on Nah. Except Galeforce.
Because the units are so close together, the weakest link is probably gonna get hit 7 times a turn. So make your weakest unit a dark mage with Nosferatu lolololol.
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
Wow I completely forgot to mention that.
Wait, what 's special about it?
Well, yeah. When I did it, they all went after either Lon'qu since as a Swordmaster, his defense wasn't that high, and Chrom, because, you know "KILL THE LORD!!!". I imagine the Avatar would be excellent bait, too. Especially if it doesn't have a ranged weapon equipped.
Basically, it's a defense mission. You need people that can take a hit, and you need to play spart. Don't quip the most powerful weapons either, as "death by awesome" is likely here. That is a character that kills every enemy that attacks him, but takes a bit of damage each time. He'll die on the enemy phase from being attacked over and over.
You heal for half of the amount you do in damage. So a Sorcerer can take a hit, and heal it right back up on the counter attack.
Lifesteals 50% of damage dealt. Cannot steal life off overkilling.
They never targeted Chrom for me, he was my strongest unit and his Falchion is anti-dragon. Free kill every turn.
The wall was only erected improvised, I was roaming with all my units for the first three turns but it naturally formed when I was getting pushed back.
Spiffy_1st
Member
Astra or Swordfaire to pass down to my Severa? I know she can get them both, but what's more useful to start with?
Swordfaire. Sol is >>> Astra.
Spiffy_1st
Member
Cool, that's what I was going with. Astra hasn't seemed to have been helpful at all so far.