DecoReturns
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Judging the Birthright reviews, they don't seem to mind. They care more about the characters and story.
Besides just changing objectives doesn't help, the maps gotta fit it.
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Fire Emblem Fates Reviews Thread
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Besides just changing objectives doesn't help, the maps gotta fit it.
Nintendo World Report - cumulative 9.5 (disclaimer: I write for them, but it's not my review)
I thought it was enjoyable enough for me to finish the game, but ultimately one of the more forgettable JRPG stories I've experienced.
You know, maybe the PAL delay isn't that bad a thing. At least I can keep an eye on the OT and get some more story impressions. If the majority thinks the story's even more boring than Awakening's, I might just skip the whole game.
michaeltraps
Member
Man, Intelligent System's decision to make three different versions in three different styles seems to have been a really smart one. The altering opinions from each site are telling.
JetBlackPanda
Member
I have the SE at Amazon and I have almost canceled it like three times today. I really liked Awakening and I want these. With The Division coming so soon after I might be better to just play them when I get some free time.
the SE is a good deal though.
the SE is a good deal though.
Blackquill
Member
Don't cancel, you can always flip it.
I mean, HP growth is a weak point for a lot of units (though I may have just gotten unlucky with RNG), but I was definitely using my whole team on Conquest Hard.
JetBlackPanda
Member
good idea.
DecoReturns
Member
Make a profit off it.
Delighted to see such good reviews. Now just need that EU release date.
I've just realised that the sales of the two games are going to be like a referendum on what style of Fire Emblem we should get in the future.
Everyone buy Conquest!
What were the sales like in Japan? Were they packaged separately over there as well?
I've just realised that the sales of the two games are going to be like a referendum on what style of Fire Emblem we should get in the future.
Everyone buy Conquest!
What were the sales like in Japan? Were they packaged separately over there as well?
WrenchNinja
Member
so put better maps then instead of keeping it in one version
Only a couple in the beginning. A lot of the other units are paper and you don't want to have your handful of tanks eat up all the EXP.
Japan was the same deal, versions and special edition everything. The game itself is regarded quite well amongst the fans and in general thought it was an improvement from Awakening in many aspects. I don't remember the sales breakdown but in terms of character popularity, Conquest characters were generally a lot more popular.
Only difference is that the digital version of the game in Japan was route agnostic and you got to choose which version you want after the first 6 chapters, in the NA one you are locked to a version when you buy until you buy the other route as an add on.
Then just buy Conquest? That was the point of the split. The whole idea is that objectives and more complex terrain complicates things beyond more basic stuff about the game like general positioning and unit dynamics. It seems a lot of people prefer that sort of thing.
Well, yeah I meant it's Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth kinda fun lol.
DecoReturns
Member
It becomes conquest then.
theprodigy
Member
more varied objectives does not inherently make the game harder, despite what people sometimes claim
Sorry if this has been answered but im confused.
If I buy this version
http://www.gamestop.com/nintendo-3d...with-fire-emblem-fates-conquest-bundle/126830
I get Birthright Physical, download code for Conquest then I have to buy Revelations or its free?
If I buy this version
http://www.gamestop.com/nintendo-3d...with-fire-emblem-fates-conquest-bundle/126830
I get Birthright Physical, download code for Conquest then I have to buy Revelations or its free?
You buy one physical, the other two routes and digital add on for 20 dollars each. 80 total.
GinoFelino
Member
Given that all the fanboys are insisting this is actually three full-fledged games, I'm guessing this game's gonna get a 24 out of 10.
Inferno313
Banned
You have to buy Revelations for $20.
This bundle doesn't really save you anything. It just means you pay Gamestop instead of the E-Shop.
Conquest is sold as a $20 DLC for Birthright on the E-Shop and vice-versa. Revelations is also another $20 expansion and will be out in 3 weeks to download.
There's two core versions and one DLC.
Nintendo has done a bad job at explaining this in the west, but that DLC is actually very substantial and on par with the other two games.
On that link you get Birthright physical, Conquest digital, then you have to purchase Revelations for $20.
The third is DLC only and will be released next month. At retail there's only the two and the special edition (which comes with all three).
Inferno313
Banned
There's a third campaign that's being released in 3 weeks as a $20 digital-only expansion, but people getting the SE get it at launch.
I think the issue to a lot of people (at least to me) is that while Conquest is indeed the better choice for gameplay, the idea of playing the evil side isn't appealing to some.
So there's this situation where you can't have the best of both worlds, and it kind of sucks.
brandonh83
Banned
Great reviews. May pick these up sometime after I've finished Awakening.
You need to be a fanboy to acknowledge that? ok
Revelations is the third route. Unless you get the special edition which has all 3 routes on one cart, it'll be DLC only.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Why the hostility? You don't need to be a fanboy to actually understand that these are, in fact, full games.
The third version will release in like a month, and is DLC only. Not even digital, but DLC as in you need to own one version at least
Edit:
fixed
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I never liked the whole limited XP thing. I never found fire emblem hard, but not being able to use different characters just because XP is limited across your squad isnt fun. What I really want is conquest maps and objectives with birthright freedom.
As far as I know thats what revelations is, and I hope thats right as it is what I'm looking forward to the most.
Inferno313
Banned
That's true though. This isn't a Pokemon thing. This is an "Oracle of Ages/Seasons" thing. Each version is built on the same gameplay mechanics but feature different party members, different maps, a couple different mechanics, different classes, and different objectives. Only the first 6 chapters (which is essentially the tutorial) are shared content. And, each entry is supposed to be as long as most other previous games in the series, 30+ hours.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I bet they say it's three games because it's three games.
Different, not not isolated.
Again, it's better than nothing, but I saw you indicated yiu think they should have one person play all three and review after, which isn't really reasonable, so whatever.
So I'm guessing you consider Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages to be the same game too?
... But not the Gamestop SE that was just linked a few posts ago (which I just purchased)?
EDIT- Those fucks. I've been had. Cancelling that order.
Inferno313
Banned
No, that's just a bundle that includes a DLC code for Conquest. Doesn't save you anything. Only reason to bother with it is if you don't want to give the E-Shop Credit Card information.
This. Far more important is whether or not the game actually makes you think about what units you're using and gives you different situations that test different strategies. Sounds to me like the skills are really what helps Conquest in this regard.
That special edition will be going for hundreds of dollars. On Amazon's Canadian site, third party sellers are already asking $400+.
Being stupidly limited and the only way to get a physical version of Revelations will keep the price high even if some of the hype dies down.
Coffee Dog
Banned
You'd be wrong. Rout the enemy just means having bigger dudes than the other army's dudes. That's straightforward.
WrenchNinja
Member
No it wouldnt. Conquest is balanced around the units you get in that game and around your progression from chapter to chapter. It's just super dumb having interesting maps and objectives in a strategy game being exclusive to one version. You don't need to be super complex to be interesting, you just need to be not flat and having something to do other than kill 'em all
That's true, but I figure (and what IS figures, I guess) a lot of what people liked in Awakening had a lot to do with how straightforward that game was, short of a few paralogues. Birthright seems designed for those people in mind, and Conquest seems oriented to people who want maps to demand a little more from them. That's the compromise that they decided to make. I won't deny that it's a bummer for people who might have preferred something more akin to Sacred Stones in terms of balance, or if they're just not interested in Conquest's cast or side of the narrative, but limited XP and how 'hard' the mode is intended to be seems kind of trivial to get too hung up on given that Nohr still offers a lot of difficulty options and with the way that the side-content works (skill buying, namely), you can still 'brute force' a lot of segments, even if Conquest does make it a little more difficult to do. Unless you're really into Odin or something.
Tom Nook Sawyer
Member
Destructoid managed it
GinoFelino
Member
I was joking, sorry.
No hostility here
Can't wait for this to come to EU.
See above!
I was planning on starting this way on both games, but Conquest actually being hard is making me rethink my choice regarding it.
You're not planning on playing any of them aren't you?