PotionBleue
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It took them 6 months to fix an enormous glitch discovered on the day the game launched. It's still downright terrible.
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First Wii U exploit revealed
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It took them 6 months to fix an enormous glitch discovered on the day the game launched. It's still downright terrible.
Once upon a time, Daddy had a smart kid. So he asked that child to make some homebrew. Like i said, Daddy had.
I hope this is eventually blocked...
I know people here are all "yay region free, homebrew!" but, as a Wii U indie dev, who plans to support the console with at least several games (depending on how long Wii U lasts). I'd hate for the pirate community to make it easy to download and pirate any of my eShop games or other eShop games... I know others in the development community shares my concern.
Btw: If homebrew truly becomes a possibility, do people really expect much other than emulation?
I know people here are all "yay region free, homebrew!" but, as a Wii U indie dev, who plans to support the console with at least several games (depending on how long Wii U lasts). I'd hate for the pirate community to make it easy to download and pirate any of my eShop games or other eShop games... I know others in the development community shares my concern.
Btw: If homebrew truly becomes a possibility, do people really expect much other than emulation?
Dr. Buni
Member
Fixed that for you.
Speaking as another Wii U developer, I also agree that the risks of this outweight the benefits. Since the userbase of Wii U is presumably so small and its success is presumably so low, it actually had an unsaturated, apparently pirate-free market for eShop games.
Even if homebrew is a benefit, I would rather it not exist on the Wii U than either of the following:
1. Nintendo's small but growing independent developer market becomes avoided (whether rationally or not -- even a stigma could hurt it) due to piracy
2. Smash Brothers, a game I have been looking forward to forever, becomes easier to cheat at. Is there cheating online in Brawl? Yes, maybe Nintendo can do some things to fix this with post-release patches, but I don't have local friends to play Smash and having people messing around with cheats right after release would be a sad day, since presumably the Wii U hacks will be finished by release.
The potential for piracy does not automatically equal full access to the hardware.
I hope that I remember this correctly: it's possible to pirate on 360, but it's not possible to run unsigned code. Which I consider to be a very bad thing. And for Wii U, it may be the push over the ledge.
Oh yes and...
this
I don't want to have cheaters driving around in my Mario Kart U. And I also don't want to get my Wii U ruined by asshole pirates.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Your definition of "save" is very distorted.
Yeah, this is what I'm also afraid of. That people will start to avoid us actual indie developers who are actually supporting the system. Or worse, actually pirate our games.
TC McQueen
Member
To be fair, if Japanese prices weren't so bad even before import costs, piracy wouldn't be such an appealing option. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bit backlash against Japan's "well, we'd rather make no money from the west" business strategy fueling/justifying piracy for some people.
theprodigy
Member
copelandmaster
Member
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't expect anything, but I hope it will allow:
- Region free gameplay (used this on my Wii; imported Disaster and Another Code: R, although admittedly the Wii U has essentially no overseas software support so there's not much value here short-term. I'd much rather this for 3DS.)
- Modifications for games (Wii has a vibrant mod scene for NSMB Wii and Brawl, among other games, to say nothing of prominent translation patch efforts for Fatal Frame 4 and countless games on other platforms)
- Cheat codes (used this this week to play Donkey Kong Country Returns without the terrible motion controls)
- Decrypting and dumping data from games (IE getting models and assets out of games to be able to remix and use them elsewhere; looking at script files, finding deleted modes and levels, reverse engineering things happening in games)
- Media support (I use XBMC on my AppleTV2--itself hacked to allow XBMC to run--but it'd be really interesting to see it implemented on Wii U both with the gamepad and because the Wii U is more powerful than the ATV2 and I already own one. Alternate devices like Roku, Raspberry Pi, Android sticks, etc are not notably more powerful than ATV2 and boxes that are are typically larger form factor than the Wii U or more expensive or the same price and don't play Wii U games. Physical media playback would also be useful as my 60GB PS3 is very very very very very loud and it's my only TV-accessible blu-ray player).
- Emulation (used this on Wii to inject Virtual Console ROMs of several games that I own on cart but that were never added to the catalogue.)
This is what I hope will allow.
I just want Wii mode on my Wii U to be region free so I can play Fishing Resort
You can already do this today. Wii homebrew has worked on Wii U for a long time.
The Maverick
Member
This is a good thing for Wii U owners, no doubt about it.
Don't forget the fact that the WiiU gamepad is pretty much the only big tablet like device without multitouch, which means that it is pretty much the only tablet like device that acepts a GOOD stylus, which is MUCH better for drawing than your finger !
As you and other(s) have pointed out, there may not be much overseas software so this is perhaps not a major benefit compared to the downsides.
While I agree that the motion controls in DKCR were sadly terrible, I think it would be difficult to allow cheats for offline games, yet prevent them in online games. Personally I would prefer no cheats than have the possibility of online, if given the choice.
I'm not sure if you're U.S.-based, but isn't this sort of thing illegal from a DMCA and/or copyright perspective? Using models literally ripped from one game in another game, for example? Or does that fall under some sort of parody license?
Didn't the Wii have problems with using it as a DVD player, since the drive hardware was only chosen for game use and not for the usage pattern and duration of a dedicated DVD player? It might work short-term if people are okay with the risk, sure. Or to put it another way, why didn't Nintendo already allow Blu-ray playback? Purely ignorance? I personally suspect legal or technical issues but of course I may be wrong.
Again this may be a U.S.-specific question, but has there ever been a ruling on whether it is legal to use a ROM for a game that I own, but did not rip myself? Or would I be required to rip (for example) gameboy or SNES ROMs?
I think I have made my opinions clear though I am probably in the minority, and obviously I am biased as a Wii U developer. I also want to point out from the homebrew perspective, the independent developer program was or is extremely easy to get into, as several people on GAF can attest to, so at least there has been an option for people who want to make their own games for it.
Mr. Pointy
Member
It's still a while away, but like everyone else I'm hoping for region unlocking.
All it takes is one game to justify it. For those who want to play Taiko or DQ10 the justification is already there.
Presumably because they didn't want to pay the BD licensing fees.
I think it's morally okay by any reasonable person's standards if it's for personal use. I wouldn't worry about the legality.
The12thGripper
Member
Probably because the Wii U doesn't use Blu-ray.
It's an awful thing for Wii U owners who actually care about future software support.
Even less reasons for devs to make Wii U games.
Ruined online play in Mario Kart etc due to cheats.
It does far more harm than good...especially at this time in its life. Open the machine up to piracy now and the chances of any recovery in software support are completely done.
AcademicSaucer
Member
yeah , specially for those that complain about droughts, nintendo now will totally step up and release more games, f zero , metroid, earthbound ,you name it .
It's already done. It's at 0. Piracy isn't going to do shit. The thing is doomed to sell 15 million units even without piracy.
moltonasty
Member
I like the sound of this.
http://blog.delroth.net/2014/02/wii...ce/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
delroth commenting about this. (he is the one working on using the gamepad with PC)
delroth commenting about this. (he is the one working on using the gamepad with PC)
What future software support?
I love my Wii U but its software support has more in common with the Virtual Boy than it does the Dreamcast.
Yup, it doesn't mean anything, people were just overhyping
Indies are supporting it well going forward. I'd like to them at least paid for the content they supply.
You would remeber the fail0verfl0w guys that were the first one in hack the Wii U, however they never would share this in public because for them there is no real interest in Wii U hombrew scene (example create a secure homebrew enviorement and prevent piracy).
Time has passed and from nowhere guys from Wii U Hax found an exploit to access to Wii U hardware, even more they were able to dump the file "bootrom.bin" which is the first file the system access to boot.
More interesting the hashes match the ones published by team fail0verfl0w
According to Marionumber1 (one of the members, or testers?) the exploit works in Wii mode, from there you get access to Wii U hardware, not sure if it's full access though. It seems bootrom works the same way as boot0 in Wii, it can't be patched by Nintendo through updates, the only way they can fix it is hardcoding the hadware itself (new Wii U model)
http://wiiuhax.com/wii-u-bootrom-dumped-welcome-to-the-scene/
DragonSworne
Banned
Well then it's in Nintendo best interest to fix this.
Or how about not make their future systems region lock? Nintendo should give pirates less reasons to cracked their system other than lack of games.
AcademicSaucer
Member
You are an optimist man
Yeah....because region free kept the hackers and pirates away from the DS didn't it? The mass piracy on that was likely the very reason they started to region lock handheld retail software in the first place.
Wolfgang Jr
Banned
I just want to be able to get into a debug menu, play with the wifi antenna in the gamepad so I can finally play off-screen games in my bedroom *AS ADVERTISED*
*AS ADVERTISED*From us indies perhaps? You have several members here who are indie devs that are supporting the Wii U fully. Heck, my first Wii U game will likely be launched next month. I know we are basically nobodys, esp me as I'm just about to release my 1st game ever. But we are literally going to be the only ones supporting it on a regular basis soon. And there is a lot of us currently making games for it (And I do mean a lot, I know of several behind the scene). Do you really want for us to go away?
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
I experimented with homebrew a few years back and imported a stage from Zach & Wiki into Brawl Unfortunately I wasn't skilled enough in GIMP at the time to find out how to change the lighting and make the stage more visible, but I'd love to give it another shot on the Wii U, maybe import some stuff from TW101 into Smash U. User customization is amazing and one of the reasons why I could play NSMB Wii all day and not get bored of it.
AcademicSaucer
Member
i feel for you, but the average consumer wants more from a nintendo console than indie games , anyway, i hope you find success on the platform ,
I think some people would like Wii U to have no support at all sadly... some would seem to relish the prospect.
Still..if piracy does start ..please feel free to create and release a corrupted version of your game into the wild..that'll brick any system that tries to play it.
poopninjamvc3mk
I sucked six dicks to get this tag.
Emulation my friend. Anyways where the 3DS exploits at. Gateway is trash.