Do you use the tips of your thumbs or the middle portion. I can't recreate my thumbs touching unless I drape half of my thumb over the stick.
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Game Informer: Dualshock 4 prototype hands-on
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Do you use the tips of your thumbs or the middle portion. I can't recreate my thumbs touching unless I drape half of my thumb over the stick.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Probably still cramp up my hands :/
I use the tip/above portion.
I hold it the same way I hold a 360 controller, the comfortable way (again not my photo)
I dont want to claw grip a controller ever, thats uncomfortable to me as I dont have midget hands.
I have bigger hands than anyone I know and I hold both controllers just fine. You're just not supposed to hold them both exactly the same way. If you grip on to the handlebars of the Dualshock with all your might and if you have big hands, your thumbs and fingers are just not going to land on the face buttons and thumbsticks correctly.
No, they seem to be legit triggers now.
Pagusas
Elden Member
And from the design of the new controller its obvious sony recognizes that some people want to hold the controller this way, and has fixed that issue by extending the handle bars and moving the sticks farther apart. Just like how Sony originally designed the dual analogue stick as I showed in my post earlier.
VicDaMoan03
Member
Are the "bumpers" still used as triggers on FPS games? That is the one thing that threw me off switching from xbox to PS3 controller.
If GG made sure the triggers were perfect, then I'm curious as to what the default scheme is for K:SF. To me that sounds like it'd be triggers. Honestly, I'm not sure if I'll use the triggers or shoulder buttons as my means of shooting in games. I've come to really enjoy the shoulder button layout for games on the PS3.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Shooting with the bumpers/L1-R1 is pretty comfy to me.
I see no point in arguing over little things like this when it looks like stick placement and chasis are greatly improved. The buttons and triggers are also tuned. I think people will like the feel after they've held it.
I certainly don't think it looks anywhere near ugly. Pictures don't do anything justice.
I remember the original Slim unveil and that turned out to be a great redesign. Much like the 360 Slim was a vast improvement over the initial models.
Chuck Norris
Banned
The asymmetrical argument never made much sense to me. The analog stick that requires fine movements is the right stick, which is positioned the same on PS3 or 360. The left stick only ever requires passive movements - hold a stick in one direction.
PS3's analogs aren't good because they are not positioned correctly relative to the length and depth of the handles. PS4 looks to fix that, at least going by the pictures.
PS3's analogs aren't good because they are not positioned correctly relative to the length and depth of the handles. PS4 looks to fix that, at least going by the pictures.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
The best use of the touchpad was it forcing Sony to keep the current stick layout.
Makes it sound like they wanted to go asymmetrical but couldnt because of that stupid touchpad
In the article it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like just one observation of the writer, not a motivation for Sony, or their only motivation.
TheGreyHulk
Member
What a nice evolution of the ds controller. The ds3 was far from perfect and was in dire need of a modern update and Sony nailed it. Better analogs with more spacing, much better ergonomics and triggers.. Nice job.
lastflowers
Banned
On a purely aesthetic note, it looks horrible imo.
That said, every change they are making is a plus, and seem to solidify the controller as the best for me. Can't wait to test it out.
That said, every change they are making is a plus, and seem to solidify the controller as the best for me. Can't wait to test it out.
Yep the OP has been updated.
Goodacre0081
Member
sounds good. something closer toward the xbox stiffness is welcomed.
I'm actually one of the people that have this happen to them. I think it has more to do with the overall size of the controller than anything. with wider palm grips I'll be using the tips of my thumbs and not my joints like I do now.
good. I hate using L1 R1 for shooters.
I have a desk between me and my consoles. is this light bar/eyetoy a requirement for the system?
so happy Sony finally changed that 20year old design. it worked when I was 13 and most games revolved around the d-pad and face buttons. it was overdue.
Dead Prince
Banned
It never was an issue for those who held the DS as it should be; tips of the thumbs on the sticks, the handles resting on your fingers, instead of gripping them with your palms.
Like this.
that's if you use the flat part of your thumb. there are people like me who uses the area near where thumb joint is.
Bomb-Threat
Banned
I'm lovin the new design.
polyh3dron
Banned
if the sticks are symmetrical it is inherently bad because it causes me to do this
that GIF is absolute proof that asymmetrical is the better design, end of discussion
Which is why your thumbs bump into each other. It's not designed to be held that way, and doing it is like complaining that the sticks on the X360 pad are hard to use when you play it with the cable facing you Dreamcast-style.
Red_taiyaki
Member
This sounds great and all....but the real question is: can it toast bread too?
if the sticks are symmetrical it is inherently bad because it causes me to do this
that GIF is absolute proof that asymmetrical is the better design, end of discussion
lol That gif is terrible.
Cornbread78
Member
if the sticks are symmetrical it is inherently bad because it causes me to do this
that GIF is absolute proof that asymmetrical is the better design, end of discussion
Wow..... this is a joke post right?
Goodacre0081
Member
bad design for me then because I like to hold a controller, not touch one.
Yes, but it's not far from what the pro-asymmetric backers have said.
Flatline
Banned
if the sticks are symmetrical it is inherently bad because it causes me to do this
that GIF is absolute proof that asymmetrical is the better design, end of discussion
You do realize that gif is a joke, right? I could do the exact same thing with 360 controller.
That's probably more an example of what happens when you give a controller to someone without fine motor skills.if the sticks are symmetrical it is inherently bad because it causes me to do this
that GIF is absolute proof that asymmetrical is the better design, end of discussion
EDIT: And actually I'd be very weary about using that .gif in defense of asymmetrical stick design, as that seems to also implicate the 360's as being bad and that the only good one is the Wii U's setup. Which I actually think IS preferable to the X360 controller after enough time spent with it at least in Pro Controller form, but still not a good argument for asymmetrical either.
That's nice. Who do you have cut your meals and dial your phone for you?
Off-Kilter
Banned
Meh, their reasoning for not changing the stick layout is pretty weak IMO. It almost sounds like a reason they came up with to hide the real reason - the fact that that stick layout is iconic Sony and theyre too deeply invested in it to mix it up now. Other than that, good news all around from this hands on.
Going back to the Dualshock's stick layout will be a challenge after the greatness that is the 360 pad.
Going back to the Dualshock's stick layout will be a challenge after the greatness that is the 360 pad.
Winterfang
Banned
Finally Sony fans will get to enjoy an actually good controller. So we can give the myth that the DS3 isn't complete ass to rest.
pharmboy044
Member
People still using Dot50cal's GIFS? Those were meant to be a joke for the fanboys.
AgentOtaku
Member
Stiffer resistance!?
FUUUCK!
FUUUCK!
I think most treated it as a joke too, this may be the first serious use I've seen.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I think your two situations are incomparable. I think the fact that there is a "right" way to hold the controller speaks volumes about its design. Personally, I think a well-designed controller requires no explanation on how to hold it. You just hold it. With the DualShock 3, suddenly you have to hold it with your fingers, not your hands. You have to use this specific part of your thumbs to use the sticks. Does any other controller ask this of the player (I'm genuinely asking; I don't take part in controller discussion very often)?
I've always head the Dualshock in the correct way and I'm flabbergasted that there are people who hold it incorrectly.
Actually I think this is the kind of thing that happens when something else becomes extremely popular and people try something different, so people who are mostly used with the 360 controller or perhaps GC's will try holding the DS3 the exact same way and get frustrated at how it works. Which IS kind of odd after the PS2 days, but I never saw these kinds of complaints then or in the PS1 days, though that might be worth looking into relative to the N64 controller. On that note, the N64 controller CLEARLY had three prongs to use and people frequently used it wrong anyway.
Fried Food
Banned
lmao no I'm sure he thought that was actual proof of the sony controllers inferiority.
Guys, it was a joke. He wasn't being serious.
H_Prestige
Banned
We've been enjoying a great controller for 15 years. Maybe MS fans can finally join us
Ninja Moomin
Banned
I want this so fucking much.
It pretty much has my wish-list of what they needed to do to DS3... other than just make it a 360 controller.
It pretty much has my wish-list of what they needed to do to DS3... other than just make it a 360 controller.