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Gaming Bolt: Unravel dev: Nintendo is very secretive about NX, Unravel port talk.
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Google is my source.
I looked up when Dev kits started going out en-mass. First articles were in July so I'm giving the benefit of June as a start.
They definitely weren't making it out like that as of March 2013 when Sony was being secretive (prior to their March unveiling?) - like Nintendo is now.
How many from Indie developers? Because that's what this thread is about - one indie dev not getting a dev kit which are usually hard to come by until they start getting mass produced. First kits usually goes to the "big guys" - no difference for Sony/Microsoft.
That's what this thread is about. In the NX thread Arkham revealed that a dev under the branch of one of the two biggest western publishers didn't have dev kits as of the end of 2015.
My post was in reference to that. A combo of indie devs and AAA devs don't have dev kits yet and this thing is supposed to be releasing November 2016.
lwilliams3
Member
Is the "unraveled dev" in the OP is an indie developer, though?
That's the whole point. NX has the western AAA far from guaranteed, so good indies could fill the gap. And I don't know about Unravel. but Ori is a damn good game. Unravel got front seat at E3, so we're not talking about unknown developers here.
I hate this thing, trying to diminish indies or split them in good (working with Nintendo) and bad. A good game is a good game, it should be welcomed om the platform we own or support.
Have you provided a source for your claim yet? No, google doesn't count as that.
Found an article about dev kits going out in November 2012 for PS4. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-01-new-ps4-dev-kits-reportedly-shipping-out
PS4 kits going out en-mass articles from July 2013. https://www.vg247.com/2013/07/26/ps4-dev-kits-pricey-but-sony-handing-them-out-like-candy-rumour/
Then I find articles about NX dev kits going out in October 2015. http://www.wsj.com/articles/nintendo-begins-distributing-software-kit-for-new-nx-platform-1444996588
When will NX dev kits go out to more devs. Summer won't be too late.
aaaaaaand Relax.
The article is from July 2013, but there's no statement about the kits being sent in July 2013. It talks about the loaner program at past time, but no clear timestamp. Even more, PS4 had a quite nice indie presentation at the E3 before that., so those indies got devkits some time before that for sure.
We don't know if some indies have kits already due to NDAs. They're obviously not going to be handing them out like water right now, but I'm sure (based on my own experience) that if they directly apply for a kit they'll get the information they need. We know that the people who they want to have kits have them. Everyone else will follow in due time.
James Scott
Banned
And it got minimal indie support at launch but at least got AAA games. Nintendo looks like it'll be barebones at launch with the exception of their own output. Which is always a Nintendo consoles problem.
How can people compare a Sony home console to a nintendo hw in terms of western F third party policy and consequent support?
Please.
I am a nintendo fan but I am expecting almost zero western third party support il on NX for many reasons and I think it would be better for anyone to settle their expectations down
Please.
I am a nintendo fan but I am expecting almost zero western third party support il on NX for many reasons and I think it would be better for anyone to settle their expectations down
Nintendo is so damn secretive that even after the Wii and Wii U came out people were debating how powerful they were. Went on for months, even over a year if I recall right on certain things. The rumors of how powerful it was went from beyond the competitors to as good as the PS4 and One to less than. In the end I've pretty much decided to not bother with any threads about what we know, because until Nintendo says it what we know is basically pure speculation. People were wrong before and they'll be wrong again for the long time until we really get some specific details. It's annoying but Nintendo seems happy to play by it's own rules and do things it's own way, if it helps or hinders them I got no idea if Nintendo cares or not.
awesomegamername
Banned
James Scott
Banned
Yeah, even for PS4 it took awhile for the indie ball to get rolling.
Wii U had some pretty good indie support despite its power, difference in architecture, and small installbase so I imagine on NX it'll be a similar situation if not better.
Once they reveal the system I imagine dev kits will be sent out to more people.
Just hope they start revealing it soon.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You have zero proof for this at this point. Zero. Could it happen? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No. Are you posting a bunch of posts acting like it is guaranteed? Yes.
Nobody is comparing anything. As the post above pointed out, PS4 devkits were out around the same timeframe as NX is if itmis releasing this year. That was the only statement being made.
Because the Wii U around this time was dead quiet too and everyone assumed it was because of NDA and lots of games being made for it and they were saving the announcements for E3. Then E3 2012 happenes and we got nintendoland, ZombiU and old ass ports and a software drought in year one.
I have history as proof. Look at the Wii U. Look at the PS4 when it was 9 months from release. Lots of leaks were happening around February 2013 and you know Sony consoles are getting big AAA support no matter what.
Nintendo is different. They can't survive another gen where they're in this echo chamber and their consoles become only good for Nintendo published games or the odd Japanese exclusive.
Some of us were hoping the NX would be nintendos chance to finally change and get third party support but based off what I'm hearing from EA, Arkham, Iherre, Ideaman, Unravel dev and some other accounts, this is the Wii U all over again.
James Scott
Banned
Wii U was announced super early, though. We knew its name and anyone could make a game for it. Many did, there were a lot of indie and multiplatform games available the first few months.
Also no one knows which NX comes out this year (again)
If it's the handheld it would make more sense since those devs would likely not want to make much if anything for it.
You like to jump to conclusions I gather.
History doesn't set the future in stone. Although, yes, you are most likely right and Nintendo will struggle with 3rd party support, you are being way too matter of fact.
It's 2016 not 2012. Pump the breaks on the Nintendoom stuff.
We will find out in a few months how "barebones" the launch will be.
awesomegamername
Banned
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Come on. There have been numerous instances of third party support shifting on some level between generations of systems.
I have no problem with you merely things won't be different. I do, however, have a problem with people stating things as fact when they themselves have no evidence other than "well, we haven't heard anything yet!" when we DO have evidence from devs on GAF saying the NDAs are MUCH tighter this time around.
lwilliams3
Member
Here is the problem: the Wii U, despite what you are suggesting, did not have a barebones third-party launch. Same for the 3DS. Both of them suffered from a disappointing first-party launch, marketing, and pricing. Once it was obvious that the Wii U wasn't going to be saved, third parties bailed out.
If it wasn't so troublesome for games to be ported over to the Wii U, publishers would have some justification to port games to the system anyway. (Like the PSVita). If Nintendo marketing, price, and first-party games could have enticed more customers, the Wii U's userbase could have been big enough for third parties to keep trying. (Like the Wii). The Wii U didn't have neither of those.
Sure but the third party shifts usually happen moving from Nintendo lol (N64 being the start).
look I'm not jumping to conclusions it's just based off what I've read so far, it isn't looking good for NX support outside of Nintendo.
I think there's a difference here. I don't remember major developers announcing Wii U games well before the system was even announced. I think it's safe to say that Square Enix is on board. They really weren't for the Wii U. Just because people aren't leaking stuff doesn't mean things aren't going on. This is true for every system ever. Best you can do is wait to see how it all turns out, because none of us are privy to that information right now.
History tells us a lot of things, but we also should remember that things change constantly. I remember people thinking the PS3 was going to rock everyone's world before it was released, even at that insane price point. That didn't happen. Waiting to get more information before making these kinds of claims might be a good idea.
Father_Brain
Banned
Of course we don't know this for a fact, and it would be hard for third-party support to be any worse than Wii U's (handheld interoperability alone should ensure it's better, at least as far as Japanese publishers are concerned), but I'm really not seeing much basis for optimism.
I expect to see indies, 3DS-esque Japanese third-party support (MH, DQ, YW, SMT, etc.), and the handful of Western franchises targeting a casual/family audience (Just Dance, Skylanders, Disney Infinity, Lego). There may well be a few surprises beyond that, but I will be very surprised if the final picture looks dramatically different.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Does anyone know why Nintendo banks everything on E3 so damn hard?
Before PS4 e3 they announced, knack, shadowfall, second son, features and all that.. they can still save some stuff for e3 as well.
Before PS4 e3 they announced, knack, shadowfall, second son, features and all that.. they can still save some stuff for e3 as well.
Nintendo is tone deaf? They think all westerners care about is E3.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
Sounds like he would have blabbed, so good judgement call, Nintendo.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Does anyone know they bank everything on E3?
OG_Original Gamer
Member
SDK's basically allow devs to port there games without having to have the hardware to a point. I'm assuming Nintendo feels the porting process is easy. The hardware could be then used for optimizations.
This would have saved so many arguments, including my own lol. Maybe now I'm not as worried.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Last year they announced many games before e3 in a direct.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
The rumored DQ XI for NX is extremely flimsy, and isn't really nothing, considering that it will be on the PS4 too. It'll be like the Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for the Wii U. Big budget title with its limitation to how it can expand the install base.
For Nintendo's case, its safer to assume that there isn't anything going on for them.
lwilliams3
Member
I wouldn't describe a game that was announced to be coming to the NX live by the creator himself at its reveal conference as "extremely flimsy".
In any case, SquareEnix and Nintendo seem to be getting along better than in recent years, so we will see what will come out of it.
They could have then given access to the SDK for the cited indies. Or contacted them back with this info at least.
ps4 kits were out at this time for some indie games. AAA leaks were all over the place. That is the.main difference and the reason why, as stated by this dev directly, nintendo playing the secret ninja game with anyone, indie or not, is.just the same old nintendo, terribile at third party relationship
LiquidSolid
Member
An announcement that Square Enix later took back. I'm betting they're just waiting to see how things turn out and if the NX turns out to be another Wii U, it'll silently disappear into the ether.
Even if it does happen though, I wouldn't read into it too quickly, lest you repeat this embarrassing thread.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I hope the unique thing isn't the free form display.
It's hardly a "secret ninja game" when the price of entry is a fucking game pitch and a signature, which the developer should have been prepared to provide in the first place.
I mean, FFS, at this point, I'm convinced that if the dev had walked into the meeting covered in feces and Nintendo asked him to reschedule after he'd taken a shower, people would say that Nintendo was being "hostile to 3rd parties, as always, lolNintendo" instead of seeing it as a common fucking sense request.
bitesnintendog
Member
To be fair those were launch day titles. Can't have a day and date release with everything else if the console isn't out.