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GoldenEye did not age well

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Man God

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Long Johnson said:
No mention of Natalya, A.K.A. Izabella Scorupco A.K.A. cutest and hottest and bestest bond girl ever and my waifu, GAF you have failed. Get out.

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Also the most useful, least defenseless Bond Girl. She's central to the plot, not really a damsel in distress, and is the one that really saves the day.
 
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Arrogant Bastard

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Sorry, I still love GoldenEye. I could be wrong but it was still in the age of over-the-top Bond. Really think Skyfall is pure win though, Craig Bond is best Bond.
 
SCReuter

SCReuter

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I've always liked that song. It has a playful silliness to it. I think Eric Serra's soundtracks are supposed to have a bit of irony to them.

If you want to hear a lame James Bond score, check out GoldenEye's direct followup, Tomorrow Never Dies. It's so safe and boring.
 
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jelly

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Fight on the dish is still awesome and brutal, no music needed.

Goldeneye suffers a lot from the model look of sets but still pretty good otherwise.
 
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richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
I was gonna say what is a Gaming post doing in Off Topic when I realized this is about the film.
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist

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jelly said:
Fight on the dish is still awesome and brutal, no music needed.

Goldeneye suffers a lot from the model look of sets but still pretty good otherwise.
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I didn't realise virtually all the scenes with jets where done with models. I assumed a lot of it was done with stock footage (obviously bar the Goldeneye strike and subsequent crash).

On the point of the soundtrack, here was Eric Serra's original score for the chase scene, which was replaced by another piece of music in the actual film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6k856wDCw

Reminds me a lot of the N64 game's soundtrack.
 
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Man God

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James Bond movies try really hard to not use stock footage and only seem to use it when absolutely necessary; nuclear detonations in the pre cg era, NASA stuff, things like that.

Everything else is camera tricks, models, practical stunt work. They get really good at it after awhile.
 
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Truant

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I think the fact that the Craig movies work so well for me are the following two points:

The focus on the mother/son aspect of M and Bond's relationship. It's vague in the two first films, Quantum in particular, but they build on this a lot in Skyfall. Bond driving M to his homestead is a son introducing his mother to his world.

Bond as a blunt instrument, a messy but necessary tool. While Bond has a quick wit and a decent skill set, he is almost always shown to be slighly less cultured and educated than most of his peers. The fact that he still manages to overcome most of his burdens shows that he is what he is because he brute-forces everything. The parkour sequence in CR is a perfect example of this, when Bond is just crashing through the drywall moments after we see the bomb-maker swiftly free-run through the same area. This also feeds into the Bond/M relationship, having Bond be a lose cannon that M no longer can control.

These two elements give the Craig films an emotional core that fits well with the who action/adventure part of a Bond-film, without being overbearing. Going from this to GoldenEye makes Brosnan seem empty, dated and shallow in comparison, and not in a good way.
 
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BigDug13

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This movie was directed by the same guy who did Casino Royale. I think he's got a way with Bond movies. These two are my favorites of the past 2 Bond actors.
 
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Truant

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Holy shit, you guys weren't kidding. Minnie Driver cameo as a russian prostitute karaoke singer. Amazing, I wonder what they paid her.
 
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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
I've never liked the Brosnan Bond movies. I grew up knowing him as James Bond and, as a result, hated James Bond for most of my life.

I don't know if Goldeneye was the closest to tolerable or if I just have less disdain because of the N64 game.
 
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vatstep

This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
I knew exactly what this thread would be about. That scene is so awesomely bad.
 
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Faddy

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Goldeneye is certain of the time but so are all Bond movies. In time people will make the same accusations against the Craig movies. The plot is solid which is the main thing
 
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zou

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Disagree. Recently re-watched it and was surprised by how well it held up, considering it's almost 20 years old at this point.
 
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Man God

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Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough both suck.

They do both have great cold openings and theme songs.

Die Another Day though...has absolutely nothing going for it.

The opening is bad, the theme is wretched, Bond is checked out, Hally Barry is awful.
 
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Fox318

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Man God said:
Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough both suck.

They do both have great cold openings and theme songs.

Die Another Day though...has absolutely nothing going for it.

The opening is bad, the theme is wretched, Bond is checked out, Hally Barry is awful.
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Tomorrow Never Dies has a great villain concept.

Movie goes off the rails a bit but its so much better than evil global super power or something like Moonraker.
 
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Man God

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Fox318 said:
Tomorrow Never Dies has a great villain concept.

Movie goes off the rails a bit but its so much better than evil global super power or something like Moonraker.
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So does The World is Not Enough. Lots of interesting ideas that just don't really work. Lots of good actors in TWINE especially...and then Christmas Jones. Whoops. Still better than what DAD did.
 
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AlexBasch

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Truant said:
Did not remember that Xenia actually orgasms from killing people. I saw this film as a kid and just thought she was doing it for show. Dayum gurl.
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Always loved the 'Wtf is wrong with you' look Ouromov gives her during the Severnaya attack.
 
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bearythebear

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Ehh, take out some of the close up shots, use helicopter shots, change the music, make it shorter, and it wouldn't seem so out of place in movies being made today.
 
DJ_Lae

DJ_Lae

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That music and the end credit movie are probably the only parts that really stand out - the movie is cheesy and fun, although I will admit that driving sequence music makes an already cheesy scene more fondue-like than anything. It's painful.

Still love Goldeneye, though. I think I would still pick it as my favourite (and I am probably biased as it was my first theatre Bond experience).
 
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Betta Lines

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mightynine said:
Still a great theme by Garbage, though.

Though I could have my college radio blinders on there.
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In the lyrics:
I know when to talk
And I know when to touch
No one ever died from wanting too much
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I always fail to hear the 'm' in 'much', so it sounds like she is stupidly rhyming 'touch' with 'touch':

No one ever died from wanting touUUUCH
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I think it is the way that particular phrase is stretched out unnecessarily at the end (making it sound like the 't' of 'too' must be the start of the final word), as well as because she decides to sing the 'too' at the same pitch as the final 'much', instead of being a tone lower, as in the 'con' of 'conceal'.

But worse than that, the strings play the exact melody of the chorus with Manson each time, as if she can't hold the tune by herself.

Then in the second verse, the lyrics don't even scan - far too many syllables!

All in all, not a good song, imo. Which is a shame, because I like the tone of it, I like Manson's voice, the beat is cool, the chords are all very Bond... it ticks all the right boxes really. But why did they make the strings lead the melody in the chorus? It's so annoying! Just let her sing it ffs!
 
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Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
it started aging kinda around 2005. I think it's the cheap tv show smooth lighting, it really kills the atmosphere

definitely the best Brosnan Bond, but that's not saying much, since the other three are a spectacular waste of ideas
 
RiccochetJ

RiccochetJ

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I remember watching this in the theaters and I don't remember the film quality feeling so... dated. I also don't remember the music bothering me at all.

I feel like I'm watching a Sean Connery or Roger Moore version of Bond.

I'm confused and scared right now.
 
D

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Jesus that felt dated as hell. Could've fooled me into thinking it was an early 80s movie or something.
 
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br3wnor

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2 Thanksgiving's ago, I watched this from 1-3am w/ my cousin-in-law and a bottle of rum, it was awesome. Going with that recollection of the film.
 
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Tansut

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Man, Goldeneye is easily one of my favorite Bond flicks. I actually saw the movie after playing through the game, so my experience watching the movie was something like "Oh this is the Dam level! Oh it's part where you drive the tank! Oh this is the final boss fight on Cradle!!"
 
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Tookay

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The score isn't too hot, but the rest of the movie is makes up for it.

It has a great villain, some fun set pieces, likable characters, and is well-paced. It's a great action film.
 
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