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[Chrange]

Aren't they're too far away to notice the difference?

No, they're using a new technique where four observers funnel their observations into a single person thereby enhancing it beyond what one observer could manage on their own.

 

[Chrange]

And it's funny how everyone associates damage to realism and cause of that GT5 sucks, yet NO GAME does damage realistically.

"OMG # game is so much better/realistic cause it has damage", yet you can crash a car at 100mph and still finish the race.

An attempt at damage - however successful - is still better than bumper cars and pinball cornering.

I know, I know - you'll throw out the equally tired "they're not doing it until they can do it right" line next, correct?

 

[inpHilltr8r]

thank god they got this tricky do-or-die demo nailed down, now they can FINALLY get back to finishing GT5.... :/

It's worth noting that everyone who says anything like this, just cements the knowledge that they know nothing about the development process.

Spoiler

or humour

 

[Metalmurphy]

An attempt at damage - however successful - is still better than bumper cars and pinball cornering.

I know, I know - you'll throw out the equally tired "they're not doing it until they can do it right" line next, correct?

I'm all for performance damage btw

And tbh, before that I'd want private lobbies so I could race with people (not idiots) where that wouldn't be a problem.

 

[DCharlie]

It's worth noting that everyone who says anything like this, just cements the knowledge that they know nothing about the development process.

or of course just wants Gt5 and is sick of waiting?

(yeah, i know it wouldn't take too much effort to make this demo, but... peeps be waitin...)

Plus i still hold a slim hope of GT PSP

 

[marwan]

wouldn't be awesome if the back of PS3 game boxes they would have a label for how many PS3s are required to play that game! lol ...then you would have to link them like the old days

remember how the prototype PS3 has 2 HDMI ports and 2 ethernet? ....maybe that's what they had in mind and decided against it?

 

[TAJ]

Only 120,000 euros for the projector. (20,000 euro lense sold separately) Where do I sign up?

 

[PistolGrip]

PD to be the first to release a distributed computing video game on consoles!! GT5@home

Make it happen Sony. We could potentially have a game that scales depending on how many people are online.

 

[jkeeling]

SIGH -- can Polyphony quit fecking about with tech demos / motion simulators / prologues / whatever and release some actual complete, retail games already?

How long has it been since the last GT? Years surely. GAMES PLS THX.

 

[marwan]

They record at 120fps, but they'll then play that back at 24fps (1/5 speed), or 30 fps (1/4 speed), or 60fps (1/2 speed) to get slow motion. If you played it back at 120fps (and had a monitor capable of displaying 120fps, or 120hz content) then it would run at normal speed and look very fluid.

coll, thanks for the info.

maybe the projector they had 240Hz refresh?

 

[Fafalada]

Plus i still hold a slim hope of GT PSP

I'll bet you a beer in your favourite pub that GT PSP will end up being something like a PSP customization/lobby/otherstuff front end app for GT5 + remoteplay support.

Actually racing sims are latency tolerant anyway, so they should support remote play regardless.

 

[Wollan]

Office trip at Polyphony.

Lol @ beds under desks.

http://www.todarrinhudson.com/2008/10/gran-turismo.html

 

[BlueTsunami]

SLI'ed PS3s and narwhals, FUCK YEAH!

 

[PistolGrip]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FmIQvAuJZXc/SPEPdalG52I/AAAAAAAAAQE/xUwN98-iLAQ/s1600-h/IMG_2117.jpg

GAF: Get back to work on GT5 and mobile you slacker!!!

 

[65536]

Huh? It's switching resolutions on the fly?

Yep.

 

[XonoX]

I don't get the 240 fps thing.

Each ps3 is rendering a quarter of the screen - each doing 60 fps.

So the full screen still only refreshes 60 times per second amirite ?


Their calculation is 240 quarter screens per second which is a bit dodge.......

 

[Dyne]

I don't get the 240 fps thing.

Each ps3 is rendering a quarter of the screen - each doing 60 fps.

So the full screen still only refreshes 60 times per second amirite ?


Their calculation is 240 quarter screens per second which is a bit dodge.......

Reading this thread yields helpful results as it was said that there was two demonstrations. One for the giant resolution, and one for the really high FPS. Not both at the same time.

 

[65536]

I don't get the 240 fps thing.

Each ps3 is rendering a quarter of the screen - each doing 60 fps.

So the full screen still only refreshes 60 times per second amirite ?


Their calculation is 240 quarter screens per second which is a bit dodge.......

There were two demonstrations.

The first demonstration has each PS3 rendering a quarter of a 3840x2160 image at 60fps.
The second demonstration has each PS3 rendering 1080p at 60fps, staggerred to create a 240fps image.

 

[PseudoKirby]

Lock if old?

god I hate the way Sony thinks


that would NOT be 240 FPS

thats 4 combined screens to make 60 FPS

if you put two TV's next to each other each running at 60FPS that DOES NOT equal 120FPS...

 

[65536]

god I hate the way Sony thinks
that would NOT be 240 FPS
thats 4 combined screens to make 60 FPS
if you put two TV's next to each other each running at 60FPS that DOES NOT equal 120FPS...

It is 240fps.

60fps = 1 new image every 16ms (or thereabouts)

If you have four PS3s rendering a 60fps image, each offset from the last by around 4ms, you have a 240fps image when this is merged together.

 

[Router]

Damage is for chumps. Dynamic weather is where it's at.

 

[spwolf]

god I hate the way Sony thinks


that would NOT be 240 FPS

thats 4 combined screens to make 60 FPS

if you put two TV's next to each other each running at 60FPS that DOES NOT equal 120FPS...

god i hate when someone doesnt ready op... 2 separate demostrations, one for high resolution powered by 4 PS3's, and one for 240 fps powered by 4 PS3's

The Ultra-Real, 240fps DemonstrationThe other display was a playable demonstration on a Nano-Spindt FED / Field Emissions Display developed by Sony, with a frame rate of 240fps (240 frames per second).

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue has already achieved a frame rate of 60p (progressive), but in this demo, Gran Turismo was made playable at four times this frame rate at 240fps.

The SXRD demonstration described above used four PS3’s to improve image quality, but this used the same to increase the frame rate.

The display used in this demonstration was the 19 inch nano-Spindt FED screen produced by FE Technologies, who is a company that has taken over the development of the FED technology that was being developed at Sony.

 

[skulpt]

It is 240fps.

60fps = 1 new image every 16ms (or thereabouts)

If you have four PS3s rendering a 60fps image, each offset from the last by around 4ms, you have a 240fps image when this is merged together.

Yeah, it's actually pretty clever. Just have an overlap of sorts. I wonder how well the eye can even discern 240fps though. I wonder where the line is where the eye can't even really tell something is smoother or not. I'm sure it can go well beyond 60fps, but 240fps? Anyone know?

 

[blu]

Yeah, it's actually pretty clever. Just have an overlap of sorts. I wonder how well the eye can even discern 240fps though. I wonder where the line is where the eye can't even really tell something is smoother or not. I'm sure it can go well beyond 60fps, but 240fps? Anyone know?

the eye is capable of picking up pretty high frequencies, the 24fps came as an arbitrary standard established in the movies back in the day (most likely a product of frame size, roll thickness and rotary mechanism), and 30hz for tv came as the closest-to-24 quotient of 60hz field refresh, which in its turn came from the north american domestic power grid frequency (50hz in europe). basically, the link between human-eye's perceptive power and traditional video frequencies is none.

here i could cue in the story about the link between the diameter of the shuttle's rocket boosters and the thickness of a horse's back, but i'll spare you this. basically, many technical standards one'd expect to be a function of some 'fitness research' are nothing more than legacy which almost everybody have forgotten the origin of.

 

[Haunted]

the eye is capable of picking up pretty high frequencies, the 24fps came as an arbitrary standard established in the movies back in the day (most likely a product of frame size, roll thickness and rotary mechanism), and 30hz for tv came as the closest-to-24 quotient of 60hz field refresh, which in its turn came from the north american domestic power grid frequency (50hz in europe). basically, the link between human-eye's perceptive power and traditional video frequencies is none.

here i could cue in the story about the link between the diameter of the shuttle's rocket boosters and the thickness of a horse's back, but i'll spare you this. basically, many technical standards one'd expect to be a function of some 'fitness research' are nothing more than legacy which almost everybody have forgotten the origin of.

Fascinating stuff (honest, I didn't know half of that), but you forgot to tell us which fps would actually be close to a natural viewing experience. >_<

 

[blu]

Fascinating stuff (honest, I didn't know half of that), but you forgot to tell us which fps would actually be close to a natural viewing experience. >_<

true. according to this doc, humans can visibly discern frequencies of 45hz on a high-luminosity background (ideally that's what you'd need your movie fps to be based off, say 90 fps discrete), but otherwise can pick frequencies of 100hz, in some cases 120hz, and even higher.

 

[Lich_King]

so that's how crytek was trying to port crysis :lol
would be great if they include this mode in the final version

 

[DCharlie]

And it's funny how everyone associates damage to realism and cause of that GT5 sucks, yet NO GAME does damage realistically.

"OMG # game is so much better/realistic cause it has damage", yet you can crash a car at 100mph and still finish the race.

that's such a negative way of looking at it, where is you sony fans ambition?

GT5 - demand that it redefines and destroys everything out there!

With the power of cell, we want realistic crashes, the ability to fall off rally tacks , etc etc.

GT isn't about not having crashes, it's about being the best driving simulator they can put out and if they stuck to what a lot of you are saying, we'll never get the extra realism of damage.

Pointing at the other games that don't do it right? What the hell?!
Aim for the stars, not the gutter.

wait - i realise you are saying that people say GT sucks. So ignore most of that. I still think Poly SHOULD take on the challenge of doing it right.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Damage shouldn't be implemented until flecks of randomly generated paint chips can be rendered at 240fps. You should place your standards a little higher DC :wag

 

[Damodar]

HEY GUYZ, POLYPHONY SHOULD STOP THIS NONSENSE AND JUST RELEASE THE GAME ALREADY! AMIRITE?!?!

AND THEY EXPECT ME TO BUY 4 COPIES AND A NEW PROJECTOR JUST TO PLAY IT!?!!?

Anybody else find reading through this thread a real fucking struggle?

 

[DCharlie]

Anybody else find reading through this thread a real fucking struggle?

i'm finding waiting for GT5 a real struggle, seeing shit like "This is what GT6 will be like" is making be sad.

GT5 FIRST PLEASE. OMG ONE THING AT A TIME PLEASE!

 

[polyh3dron]

HEY GUYZ, POLYPHONY SHOULD STOP THIS NONSENSE AND JUST RELEASE THE GAME ALREADY! AMIRITE?!?!

AND THEY EXPECT ME TO BUY 4 COPIES AND A NEW PROJECTOR JUST TO PLAY IT!?!!?

Anybody else find reading through this thread a real fucking struggle?

It's probably one of the best anti-Sony troll bait threads in a long time (other than NPDs amirite)

 

[Haunted]

true. according to this doc, humans can visibly discern frequencies of 45hz on a high-luminosity background (ideally that's what you'd need your movie fps to be based off, say 90 fps discrete), but otherwise can pick frequencies of 100hz, in some cases 120hz, and even higher.

Thanks.

 

[max-pain]

They should fix the fucking tearing in GT5p first rather than doing things like this!!!

 

[fanboi]

HEY GUYZ, POLYPHONY SHOULD STOP THIS NONSENSE AND JUST RELEASE THE GAME ALREADY! AMIRITE?!?!

AND THEY EXPECT ME TO BUY 4 COPIES AND A NEW PROJECTOR JUST TO PLAY IT!?!!?

Anybody else find reading through this thread a real fucking struggle?

Hey!
Just get... *math hat on* ehem... 5 new jobs!

 

[DarkJC]

god I hate the way Sony thinks


that would NOT be 240 FPS

thats 4 combined screens to make 60 FPS

if you put two TV's next to each other each running at 60FPS that DOES NOT equal 120FPS...

God I hate the way you don't read.

 

[Absolute Bastard]

Seems kind of useless to do this on 60fps 1080p game. Sony should get this tech on all those 720p 30fps games. With 2 PS3s that would be either 720p 60fps or 1080p 30fps, with 4 PS3s one would get full 1080p 60fps. Games like Killzone 2 running at 1080p 60fps would make quite a few people buy multiple PS3s, especially once Sony gets PS3slim out at affordable cost.

 

[Trojan X]

£4000?

http://www.cine4home.com/reviews/projectors/SonyCineAlta4K/SRX-R110.htm

I remember PD testing the same on late 2000 with GT3, 6 PS2, 6 big wall screens and a total of 1920x1440 at 60 fps.

Dang dude that's even worse!

Definitely without any doubts... Move along.

 

[deepbrown]

Twas never 1920by1080 anyway...except in the garage.

 

[AMUSIX]

Neat application of a basic function.

And before people start creaming too much over this, do check Forza 2's set up of 5 xbox360s all synced up and displaying 5 different angles of the same race. Or check out a Ferrarri 355F1 cabinet...or check out any multi-display arcade game.

All that's happening here is four different angles being shown and then composited.

Again, a very neat demo, but nothing that shows the power of the system or of the game engine. It does, however, show the power of the projector.

 

[NemesisPrime]

They could have ported it to PC. Just one PC could do this.

 

[sleeping_dragon]

Office trip at Polyphony.

Lol @ beds under desks.

http://www.todarrinhudson.com/2008/10/gran-turismo.html

is it just me that think the graphic is getting better or it just the same old GT5?

 

[Raistlin]

Actually I think it's 960x1080

u = fail

 

[solid2snake]

i'm finding waiting for GT5 a real struggle, seeing shit like "This is what GT6 will be like" is making be sad.

GT5 FIRST PLEASE. OMG ONE THING AT A TIME PLEASE!

you forgot GT4mobile for PSP.

 

[tzare]

i see what Playstation 4 might be here....

 

[DCharlie]

you forgot GT4mobile for PSP.

if you look back a few posts, you'll see i didn't!

 

[Raistlin]

Wouldn't 3840 x 2160 be the same display resolution as a Forza 2 triple screen setup running at 1280x720 on each screen?

You may want to recheck your math

 

[Lord Error]

true. according to this doc, humans can visibly discern frequencies of 45hz on a high-luminosity background (ideally that's what you'd need your movie fps to be based off, say 90 fps discrete), but otherwise can pick frequencies of 100hz, in some cases 120hz, and even higher.

45hz is just a chrominance (color) change discernment ability. It's much higher than that for detecting changes in brightness (resulting in ability to detect things moving). There's been some military tests that show that people can see the shape of a B/W image that's been strobed in front of them for just 1/200 of second.

 

[°°ToMmY°°]

45hz is just a chrominance (color) change discernment ability. It's much higher than that for detecting changes in brightness (resulting in ability to detect things moving). There's been some military tests that show that people can see the shape of a B/W image that's been strobed in front of them for just 1/200 of second.

yep, human eyes use two different methods to acquire images, one for colors and one for shapes of objects (i can't find the exact english term for this, hope you got it).

 

[Click]

Office trip at Polyphony.

Lol @ beds under desks.

http://www.todarrinhudson.com/2008/10/gran-turismo.html

Studies have shown that taking 15 minute "power naps" during work days results in improved productivity in full-time workers. Many Japanese companies do this. Too bad American companies don't.