They are. But they are also wholly owned by Sony, which colors what they are saying implicitly.
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Guerilla Games: PS4 has no performance bottlenecks
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They are. But they are also wholly owned by Sony, which colors what they are saying implicitly.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's like some people want another $599-scenario again
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Yet the game is still 30fps.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
The statement seems pretty conservative and innocuous to me. What's your issue with it?
Felix Lighter
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The CPU seemed like a potential bottleneck but if some of the normal CPU load is being sent off to the GPU, I can believe it's a well balanced piece of hardware.
perineumlick
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With what they've been able to accomplish on dated hardware, I'll take their word for it, first party or not.
dummydecoy
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"Our new game utilizes 100% of PS4!"
-Crysis asshat CEO
Mark my words.
-Crysis asshat CEO
Mark my words.
SniperHunter
Banned
Bottleneck's aren't found, they exist in the hardware from the offset. Like the RSX in PS3 or the split Ram structure.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
True, but some bottlenecks are obvious.
PS3: RSX Fillrate (transparencies), single PPU for general purpose code
360: 10MB eDRAM
LittleJohnny
Banned
Ask PC gamers now, they'll point out the CPU and GPU are already bottlenecks.
A bottle neck occurs when some parts of the system are faster and have to wait for slower components to respond or catch up. Like driving on a 4 lane highway that suddenly becomes a 3 lane because of an accident or closed lane, that's what a bottle neck is
If the system is balanced correctly where all parts match in speed, then there will be no bottle neck
Ploid 3.0
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I think he may be talking about bottlenecks in the console sense. Like last gen it was ram, difficulty in the architecture, and maybe the cpu. Sure more bottlenecks can be found when they continue to make cg like graphics but that would be expensive and require a lot of art and such. HD games apparently costed too much with the move to this gen. Going hollywood ILM graphics would probably be too high of a goal.
The next gen should be more than enough of a playground to make the game and graphics we'll need for a long time.
The next gen should be more than enough of a playground to make the game and graphics we'll need for a long time.
Gonzo The Great
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A wholly owned subsidiary of Sony showering the PS4 with unconditional praise? Who would have thunk?
Where is the steroids port on the PS4?
My guess is that all games will also be available day 1 digital to help alleviate the optical drive issue. At least this time around we won't have to worry as much about streaming issues due to the incredibly show Blu-ray drive.
As for game engine advancements, I think we'll top out in about 2-3 years based on the architecture alone. Since developers don't have to wrestle the hardware every step of the way, it's going to be much easier to bring out it's full potential quite early this time around.
Metalmurphy
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We don't even know what HDD it's using so how can you know?
Also it's ok if you consider them. But no one else does. You don't exactly see a "load times" section on any performance charts for a reason, unless you're analyzing hard drives that is.
outsida
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SniperHunter
Banned
It's not unconditional praise...why don't you tell us what the bottlenecks are in the PS4, instead of typing smartass replies?
shinobi602
Member
You mean like a ton of other third-party devs?
perineumlick
Member
Sony's first party devs have produced some of the best looking games this gen, but now all of a sudden we can't trust what they say concerning PS4 hardware. Silly-GAF in full effect.
Evolution_1ne
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their output speaks more to anything then the fact that they are a first party, the fact that they are owned by Sony is wholly irrelevant
sometimes..
Dictator93
Member
Its single threaded performance is pretty... well.. leaves much to be desired.
Not every single piece of code lends itself to great and easy multi-threading. AI is usually one of these.. for example
Looks like Guerrila games is the bottleneck of the PS4 by limiting their game to only 30fps.
partyphone
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These are the same guys who tried to pass off a pre-rendered trailer as in game footage...
BRocknRolla
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Of course, for system power that's expected on any an every platform. It's good to know though that it's a well designed system.
Edit: On note from several smart posters, it should be noted this isn't about power, but efficiency.
Zing! But seriously, while I couldn't care less about some kind of 60fps standard, I don't think Guerrilla is going to be the company to watch on PS4. Other devs will push the system more in terms of power and, more importantly, creativity.
ITT some really don't know the meaning of bottleneck...
hilarious.
Point me to where Guerilla says something about the PS4 being better than other hardware or dissing other hardware.
hilarious.
Point me to where Guerilla says something about the PS4 being better than other hardware or dissing other hardware.
I don't get the negative reaction in this thread. From everything we heard, this seems like a true statement.
Of course, having or not having obvious architectural bottlenecks says nothing about the performance level of a device -- just that it's well designed.
Of course, having or not having obvious architectural bottlenecks says nothing about the performance level of a device -- just that it's well designed.
That's just it: just because it's not bottlenecked doesn't mean that there are no performance limits, just that the individual parts complement each other well.
perineumlick
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And you know this how? Are you a dev working on a PS4 game?
Tummi Gummi
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OP really should be updated with the generally accepted definition of "bottleneck" in this context. I know it's implied already in the text.
but then why is it 30 fps etc etc
SniperHunter
Banned
I agree, GG is a very talented dev. Both KZ games on PS3 looked great.
Glass Rebel
Member
So the issues with the hardware are on a more fundamental level?
This was pretty evident, it's an extremely efficient piece of hardware it seems
Dictator93
Member
I know its processor, and based upon its PC world counter part I can safely say that its single threaded performance is pretty average if not lacking.
perineumlick
Member
Lol, no they are not. Sony did that themselves; they called it what it was; a target render.
SniperHunter
Banned
PS4 games to have shit AI, confirmed by a GAFFER!!
While I'm happy to hear this, playing the devil's advocate card here - performance bottlenecks are created as much by software developers as they are by hardware developers.
But I'll take the statement to mean that under typical usage, it should be easy to have all components utilized at near maximum levels.
So the system components are highly complementary.
As opposed to say... too much ram (more than the rest of the system can use appropriately), or too much CPU power; more than the GPU can put out.
But... I don't think you can have too much GPU power TBH... or it'd have to be such a ludicrous mismatch that it simply isn't possible for any sane company to pull off.
But I'll take the statement to mean that under typical usage, it should be easy to have all components utilized at near maximum levels.
So the system components are highly complementary.
As opposed to say... too much ram (more than the rest of the system can use appropriately), or too much CPU power; more than the GPU can put out.
But... I don't think you can have too much GPU power TBH... or it'd have to be such a ludicrous mismatch that it simply isn't possible for any sane company to pull off.
Wishmaster92
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Speed of a hdd, could ps4 have ssd?
yeah why not 240 fps.....