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Guerilla Games: PS4 has no performance bottlenecks
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SniperHunter
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mugurumakensei
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No. It doesn't even confirm it can match a 680. It just says it performs better than a PC system with the same components.
MAX PAYMENT
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A Sony exclusive developer praising Sony hardware? This is news?
Dictator93
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apparently
BRocknRolla
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I like this. Bigger buckets are getting built all the time, such is the nature of bucket technology, PS4 is just a particularly well built bucket.
old manatee
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I thought they went with a slow hard drive?
dark_prinny
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Unlimited Powaaaaaa!
IHaveCandy
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This isn't a hyperbole statement. It's like having a team of 4 runners in a Paton race that are roughly the same speed. None of them hold the team back. It doesn'tt mean they are fastest in the world though.
Gaffer: news - a prerequisite for new thread and discussion.
What exactly could an Xbox developer say that would make him a liar?
SniperHunter
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The same thing has been repeated since page I, it is obvious some people have no interest in understanding what a bottleneck is...time to sit back and watch the smartass replies roll
Felix Lighter
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Even using a SATA 2 interface, SSDs will still perform significantly better than a standard HDD.
Evolution_1ne
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Jesus fucking Christ GAF I hold you guys to a higher standard than this shit, read the damn thread people
this, the amount of defensive butthurt in this thread is staggering
Dragon1893
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It's pointless, might as well be talking to a wall.
Some of the people in here are either really, REALLY stupid, or they're joking in a way no one finds amusing.
Those who are saying that there are bottlenecks, can they actually give us an example of such thing? Or will you continue with the "they're 1st party blabla" and stuff like that?
Those who are saying that there are bottlenecks, can they actually give us an example of such thing? Or will you continue with the "they're 1st party blabla" and stuff like that?
MAX PAYMENT
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What? I don't even understand you question. What does this have to do with Microsoft or liars?
Felix Lighter
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I'm pretty sure at this point there are like 3 posters trying to explain what a hardware bottleneck is for every 1 person who misunderstood.
A programmer can easily find the bottleneck very fast.
IHaveCandy
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I don't get if you're saying I'm preaching to the choir or that I'm wrong. I don't see how that is a bad example though. Another good example is a chain with equally strong links.
alexandros
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As far as specs go, it's pretty balanced. It's true that the PS4 doesn't have the PS3's problems, where a powerful CPU suffered because of an underpowered GPU and split memory. Sony did a good job here.
SenjutsuSage
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There are always bottlenecks, but his main point is sound. The PS4 is a very well balanced system. In fact, if I were looking for a glaring bottleneck, it's GDDR5 latency and the CPU. However, will that be a bottleneck that ultimately matters to developers? Probably not because they can work around it and still produce incredible games, but it doesn't make it any less of a bottleneck just because devs can work around it. That's what devs are suppose to do.
Horse Armour
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Isn't the optical drive a pretty big bottleneck? It's 3x faster than the PS3's yet it has to fill 16x the space.
You are seemingly brushing what the guy said aside like what he's saying isn't true or something, simply because he's on Sony's payroll.
MAX PAYMENT
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Well for one, he is on payroll.
And second, the only way it wouldn't have a bottleneck is if they dropped a Blu-ray drive for an SSD. It doesn't matter coming from this guy. I want to hear come from a third party. Or someone not obligated to say these things, true or not.
SneakyStephan
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Ask PC gamers now, they'll point out the CPU and GPU are already bottlenecks.
That is not what bottleneck means....
Also optical drive isn't a bottleneck assuming mandatory installs (and enough ram), optical drive hasn't been a bottleneck on pc for 20 years.
It can be both not very powerful and not have any bottlenecks, the guerilla games guy isn't wrong.
edit: yeah the single threaded performance (lack thereof) of jaguar is probably a bottleneck.
perineumlick
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What good would the word of a third party dev do you if you don't even understand what a freaking bottleneck is?
Glass Rebel
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c'mon son, highlight the spoiler at least
SneakyStephan
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Don't remind me
their killzone demo already started out with a giant gun and 55 degree fov
By the end of the gen we'll literally have 2 2d horseblinders blocking off each side of the screen.
SniperHunter
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that's NOT a bottleneck, CPU holding back GPU or GPU holding back CPU would be a bottleneck. Pushing more shaders, polys or gun models has nothing to do with bottlenecks
LittleJohnny
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The term "Bottleneck" comes from varying speeds in a system. If you turn a bottle of water upside down, the water won't pour out at once because the neck of the bottle is narrower than the body, but you can have to body's of different size without a bottleneck.
A straight 4" tube would have a lot more flow than a 2" tube, both could be set up to have consistent flow with no bottle necks if all the other pipes in the house are 2" or 4", doesn't mean that it will have unlimited capability, just that components are properly matched, and although the overall flow is consistent, there are still varying degrees of performance.
A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. When they say there are no bottlenecks, they're basically saying that all links are of equal strength
perineumlick
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That's why I've always been partial to third person shooters. I've grown tired of the whole huge gun swaying in front of everything concept; I'd rather watch my nicely animated character interact with the environment.Don't remind me
their killzone demo already started out with a giant gun and 55 degree fov
By the end of the gen we'll literally have 2 2d horseblinders blocking off each side of the screen.
My mistake. What was in the spoiler didn't really seem to mitigate what you said but rather it looked like you were trying to look for faults outside the bottleneck.
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The Everyman
but the definitions! they do nothing!
What does this even mean?
And your logic that " you only want to hear the truth from certain people" is backwards as hell.
SniperHunter
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don't get too caught up with that guy, all he has done since he joined this forum is troll Sony related topics. He seems to have a vendetta against Sony.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Who needs reading comprehension!??!?!
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The Everyman
what? loading times doesn't bottleneck the graphics and you can probably still install games if you'd like to.
50gb blu ray discs do not bottleneck graphics.
MAX PAYMENT
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So you're trying to tell me developers have never tried to work around the disc read speed? Never played a ps3? Mandatory installs everywhere. Numerous Xbox games see performance benefits after an install.
On pc when I moved sleeping dogs to my SsD, I saw a significant performance increase. Moving a pc game to a 5400rpm hd would decrease performance. How is this not bottle necking ?
The Bookerman
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Yup!
And I love what Sony does with the ps4... but down the line, there will always be bottlenecks.
MAX PAYMENT
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No it isn't. If you walked up to a best buy employee and asked him if best buy was the best store to buy tvs, in front of his manager, I bet he'd say yes.
Speaking to the press is open to the public. He did it on the clock where his supervisors, managers, and the entire company could potentially see, of course he is bias.
perineumlick
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If the hardware stays the same, what bottlenecks are waiting to show up 3 years later that aren't there right now?
SniperHunter
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The GPU will magically get more powerful than the CPU 3 years from now.
SniperHunter
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PuppetMaster
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I love GG. But this quote is coming back to bite them in the ass so hard!