BRocknRolla
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A nice thought, but those prices...
Then again, that's basically the same argument everyone made about DDR5, and look how that turned out. So, who knows?
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Guerilla Games: PS4 has no performance bottlenecks
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A nice thought, but those prices...
Then again, that's basically the same argument everyone made about DDR5, and look how that turned out. So, who knows?
Dictator93
Member
I am definitely not confirming that! LOL
I was just comparing it with its PC world counterpart which has very average if not lower end single threaded performance.
But it is relatively better at branching code like AI than the older HD twins. So that is actually good!
I am psyched for the PS4.. but definitely know it is not some "super rendering" machine like some people on GAF seem to think.
perineumlick
Member
I won't claim to be a tech wiz, but hasn't there been talk of certain cores or chips that take on certain tasks, allowing for more efficiency?
Please, tell us what these "issues" are?
the pc counterparts are going to get console ports.
and noone will make "better ai" for better processors
its great when they make options to make the graphics better and thats not always a guarantee
thats the master race....
SniperHunter
Banned
No, it will eventually come to the point where developers can't make drastic improvements and feel like the need new hardware. It will still consist of balanced hardware.
Dictator93
Member
You may be thinking more of the Durango rumors with its DPS and stuff. BUt yeah PS4 has some specialized chip or two on it made very specifically for the whole recording functionality. Beyond that it just has its 8 cores...
They do lend it to being awesome for multhreaded tasks and can lead to more efficiency. But some tasks which are hard to divide up into multiple worker jobs will have to deal with its relatively "OK" single threaded performance. That is all.
I do not think it will be a big deal at all.. but it is one of its "less" balanced features. The system is very balanced though.
Felix Lighter
Member
Even ignoring the price, considering how much downloadable content will be pushed next generation, the storage limitations of an SSD vs HDD would be enough to discourage Sony from going with a SSD. Maybe a hybrid but I hope they just stick with a standard user upgradable 2.5" HDD.
This whole thread is missing the point. He's saying it's balanced.
How unlike a PC which may be upgraded piece meal, or bought with simply the best of each part leaving you with perhaps too little mem. bandwidth or a GPU waiting on the CPU all the time. He seems to be saying there is no one glaring missmatch between parts and capabilities on the ps4.
How unlike a PC which may be upgraded piece meal, or bought with simply the best of each part leaving you with perhaps too little mem. bandwidth or a GPU waiting on the CPU all the time. He seems to be saying there is no one glaring missmatch between parts and capabilities on the ps4.
Dorimukyasuto
Member
I though they pretty much said they were using an HDD. I remember seeing on Feb 20 something saying "large storage only an HDD can provide"
Not the whole thread.
Dictator93
Member
I do not think many missed that point.
I merely pointed out how it is "very balanced" in a lot of areas but is only slightly lacking or "bounded" in one area: namely, single threaded performance.
Wishmaster92
Member
How about 60gb flash only for the lower end model, and 200gb hdd plus 60gb flash memory for higher end model. Just enough flash memory for a full ps4 game, and it could be really useful to developers knowing that every system has it, also it has benefits.
SniperHunter
Banned
agreed
SniperHunter
Banned
Doesn't PS3 support SSD? What do you mean by natively?
H_Prestige
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There was a ps4 rumor a while back saying you could register a game disc to your PSN and then install it the HDD. I hope that turns out true.
Hopefully Sony also lets us swap out the HDD just like the ps3. That way we can put in a SSD for even better load times.
Hopefully Sony also lets us swap out the HDD just like the ps3. That way we can put in a SSD for even better load times.
Felix Lighter
Member
If they went with a user upgradable 2.5" sata harddrive solution, there's no reason why a faster SSD couldn't be utilized.
IonicSnake
Banned
It does, but I think it's limited to a certain speed.
perineumlick
Member
Yep. You win the Internet.
SniperHunter
Banned
No it doesn't guy....pfftt
I wouldn't say that. Or at least, it's more complicated. For every (reasonably complex) system it's possible to write a program which is bottlenecked in one particular aspect of performance. However, if, over a large enough sample of games, the statistical distribution of that component is more or less flat, it would be fair to say that the hardware has no bottlenecks.
H_Prestige
Banned
What's the ps4's bottleneck?
I meant if the PS4 have a SATA 3 6Gb/s where an SSD can take advantage of.
The slot is not the problem, the interface is.
Windom Earle
Member
I think this statement is true as the hardware seems really well balanced. Are there better parts available in the PC market? For sure. Are there any major bottlenecks? Nope!
People need to understand this.
This isn't about processing power, it's about the hardware pipeline. The components in the hardware work seamlessly and efficiently with each other.
Maleficence
Member
Love the complete misunderstanding in this thread.
Wishmaster92
Member
The thing is there is a bottleneck on the ps3 if you use an ssd lol. It is a little bit faster than a 7200rpm hdd when in reality it should be much, much faster. I should know since i have a vertex 4 128gb ssd on the ps3 and it helps but not that much, i have it because of the low heat consumption. The ps3 is not meant to have the read/write speeds an ssd can bring.
SniperHunter
Banned
oh right! Hopefully it will have native SSD support. Planetside 2 needs a SSD!! It runs like crap on a HDD.
phosphor112
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People don't seem to understand what "bottleneck" means.
Well said. I love my pc, my consoles, my handheld gaming device, my smartphone, etc. All for different reasons. Arguing one over the other seems pointless, when diversity of options and corporate competition is beneficial for us, the consumers.
Wishmaster92
Member
Correct Radec.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Didn't the PS3 have 'endless power' at launch?
I understand this isn't the same as having a bottleneck, but to assume no bottleneck = limitless power is wrong.
I understand this isn't the same as having a bottleneck, but to assume no bottleneck = limitless power is wrong.
BRocknRolla
Member
Yeah, I think the best we can hope for would be some kind of hybrid drive solution, but I wouldn't be holding my breath. The speed they're talking about could simply be the suggestion that games can be installed and therefore have better performance as it's not direct from the disk reading. Who knows though?
I have to imagine that sort of thing won't tickle your average person and therefore won't make it into PR in any significant manner either way. Well, unless it was full SSD, then maybe.
IonicSnake
Banned
I don't think that's what it really means.
SniperHunter
Banned
No one said it has limitless power. What on earth are you talking about?
Horse Armour
Member
So this confirms that it will give better results than an nvidia Titan?
Opus Angelorum
Member
And by design, a closed system shouldn't have a bottleneck. Period.
perineumlick
Member
You're right. Some seem to understand talking out of their ass though. GG isn't saying the PS4 is The Holy Grail here, only that it's well designed. I guess because they are down with Sony some cant help but get defensive.
BobTheFork
Member
It's good to know that the only thing holding back playstation games next generation will be the people making them.