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Gwent - Open Beta Thread: Not bad, not bad at all
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Nilfgaard knight summoned with Alzur's DoubleCross then buffed with Emissary never fails to make my opponent rage quit in last rounds
toastyToast
Member
You can play the deck still but Cerys isn't as necessary as the centerpiece anymore. I'm playing it since I blew all my scraps I'm kind of underwhelmed by Queenie in her current form
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Åesop
Unconfirmed Member
Had a very intense online match yesterday with sick combos on both sides, then it ended with a draw on 3rd match.. They should add something for draw situations, it didn't feel right at all
She's just an additional option that can spawn mostly in rounds 2 and 3 without much effort.
A draw nets both players a winning round, right?Åesop;238130217 said:
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Åesop
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Maybe that happens on the first round. But our draw on 3rd ended as a tied game
Complistic
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Åesop;238132218 said:
Right, that just meant you both are awarded for winning.
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Åesop
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That didn't feel like a satisfying way to end our intense match.. "hey, you both won! congratulations!" sounds more like we both lost, but maybe thats just me.
Can anyone tell me is deploy effects should repeat after I call a card back into my hand and replay it? I was trying this yesterday and it didnt work when it should do. I feel like the devs need to perfect the art of explaining explicitly what the card does in a way that removes all doubt. Because right now its not always clear in the way that it is in Magic (in my experience).
I'm just learning the game myself and I had a similar spot of confusion with Deploy effects not triggering when I expected them to.
What I realised is that the Deploy effect was a Summon; the Deploy didn't trigger because there weren't any valid cards left for the Summon to find. Do you recall the specific card that you had a problem with? Could it have been something like that?
As far as I've seen, Deploys do retrigger when the same card is brought off and back to the table.
toastyToast
Member
Oh wow. Apparently Savage Bear only effects enemies now. Thought it'd kill my priestesses so I never touched it. Really helps protect against Vicovaro medics and in the mirror match.
Played a dude and we both duped 2 extra Queensguard with Operator and he buffed the flying fuck out of them with Draig. Round 2 he could only res once with Sig with her 3 strength then he was completely boned. Ended up with the 2-0.
Played a dude and we both duped 2 extra Queensguard with Operator and he buffed the flying fuck out of them with Draig. Round 2 he could only res once with Sig with her 3 strength then he was completely boned. Ended up with the 2-0.
Hmmm dont remember exactly but I think it was the card which should create a copy of a bronze ally and I definitely had a suitable card on the board. I used the card to withdraw, strengthen and re-play but nothing happened. Would be good to know it at least is supposed to work in theory.
It was supposed to work in theory, yes.
What probably happened is a confusion on the terms "Spawn" and "Summon." Spawn creates a card out of thin air, Summon pulls an existing card from your deck. If you have no applicable card in your deck then summon does nothing.
After playing for a few weeks at the start of the closed beta, I came back to the game with the open launch. It's come a really long way. Beyond all the nice quality of life improvements, the changes they've made to the rules (balancing leader powers by making them gold cards, mulligans on turns 2 and 3) a lot of the cards (like weather) have the game feeling much fairer, and less arbitrary and swingy. Effects are less likely to instantly create blowouts and there are more ways to play around randomness, which means that everyone has more time to play through their strategies, and play around what their opponents have.
I've got a Nilfgaard reveal-based deck that still could use a few more cards, and I could see myself sticking with this a while longer than before.
I've got a Nilfgaard reveal-based deck that still could use a few more cards, and I could see myself sticking with this a while longer than before.
Yea they are separate as far as I know.
NR was overhauled.
It's okay right now but definitely not as strong as it was in CB (and it wasn't that strong anyway).
Monsters were also kind of gutted.
SK is intact.
NG is intact but just better than before.
ST is in a weird place right now but dorfs are good.
It's okay right now but definitely not as strong as it was in CB (and it wasn't that strong anyway).
Monsters were also kind of gutted.
SK is intact.
NG is intact but just better than before.
ST is in a weird place right now but dorfs are good.
WilsonX100
Member
game wouldn't even launch for me yesterday. any idea why?
ThreePiMatt
Member
Found a bug with Field Medics and Blue Stripes Commandos.
The BSC ability is that when different Bronze unit of the same strength is played, it should summon a BSC out of the deck. The Field Medic is a 3 strength card, so if you play a Field Medic, it'll spawn a BSC. But the Field Medic's ability is that when you play it, you select another Bronze ally, shuffle it back in the deck, and play summon another random Bronze out of the deck.
So, I set up a test, the only bronze units in the deck were three BSC and one Field Medic. At the start of the game, played a BSC on the melee row. Second turn play the Medic and target the BSC. What should happen is the first BSC gets shuffled back into the deck and a random bronze (in this case another BSC) gets played. Then, a second BSC should be summoned per its 3 strength matching with the Medic. What is happening instead, is the BSC that gets randomly drawn by the Medic is then triggering its own ability after it was already played, and moving from the row you chose to the siege row.
The BSC ability is that when different Bronze unit of the same strength is played, it should summon a BSC out of the deck. The Field Medic is a 3 strength card, so if you play a Field Medic, it'll spawn a BSC. But the Field Medic's ability is that when you play it, you select another Bronze ally, shuffle it back in the deck, and play summon another random Bronze out of the deck.
So, I set up a test, the only bronze units in the deck were three BSC and one Field Medic. At the start of the game, played a BSC on the melee row. Second turn play the Medic and target the BSC. What should happen is the first BSC gets shuffled back into the deck and a random bronze (in this case another BSC) gets played. Then, a second BSC should be summoned per its 3 strength matching with the Medic. What is happening instead, is the BSC that gets randomly drawn by the Medic is then triggering its own ability after it was already played, and moving from the row you chose to the siege row.
ThreePiMatt
Member
Go into Challenges and its the top options.
poppedcollar69
Member
i just had another random thought... agile units used to be awesome, and its because weather doesn't hit both sides that agile units are now super unimpressive
Ah, thanks - seems a bit odd it's not its own section in Single Player.
sackboy2197
Member
Didn't they make it so you couldn't chain revives? I still see it against with the Priestess of Freya. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the change to the Field Medic yet.
There's still a revive chain in NG but NR lost theirs yes.
They removed a lot of chains from the game.
ThreePiMatt
Member
Well NR lost all their revives outside of Shani. But they got rid of "Permadeath." So you can get Priestess revive chains again. But at this point they're only 1 strength and with no more faction passives its not really a big deal.
edit - And yeah, in a NG mirror you can revive each others Vicovaro Medics.
They're also active in the Gwent discord.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Fuck the AI for the last monster challenge.
yo_soy_el_topo
Member
Finished my reveal deck
Oooh ooh share! Been working on one myself but I always get carried away with too many reveal combos I think
poppedcollar69
Member
bloodcurdling roar is the sleeper hit of the open beta
ThreePiMatt
Member
Seems like an interesting card, I'm not using it yet myself. But can help counter Rot Tossers and some Squirrel traps.
waxinlyrical
Member
Now that I don' t have access to 8 months worth of cards collected, I miss the ability to create whatever deck I want. If they didn't make the large amount of changes between closed and open beta I'd have been super comfortable just buying another bunch of kegs to populate my card collection again, but I'm still not sure I like the changes yet.
If they didn't make the large amount of changes between closed and open beta I'd have been super comfortable just buying another bunch of kegs to populate my card collection again, but I'm still not sure I like the changes yet.ThreePiMatt
Member
Now that I don' t have access to 8 months worth of cards collected, I miss the ability to create whatever deck I want.
I'm liking it so far, though that may largely be a case because I'm still only level 6 and in casual, so all the wins are coming relatively fast and easy because of closed beta experience.
I'd say my biggest concern with the changes so far is that I'm really not interested in what the opponent is doing outside of their score. I don't feel like there's an instance where I really need to kill or lock a card to shut down a combo, or take extra steps to protect my cards. My play is almost entirely based the tempo of the match.
Turin Turambar
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Åesop;238132998 said:
It's a fairly rare occurrence, there is total tie in maybe 1 in 25 matches. Imo, no need to introduce new rules just for that occasion.
My first ST deck was with dwarves but it was simply too slow to get going compared to the other colors. Most of the cards are small boosts, which doesn't translate to much of a card advantage against your opponent.
If ST had a mechanic to consistently return cards to your hand to replay them, then it would make dwarves and elves a lot more playable.
Take a look at this to see how you should be playing dorfs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40zwmhesTx4
You won't have some of these cards but the principle is the same.
I'm bumping around a very basic Skellige discard deck in casual, my first few games against people. Got 3 war longboats eaarly so i thought why not?
Its great to play a discard deck where you actually get a say in the discards. I'm looking at you, Hearthstone.
rewards still seem very generous, i'm almost always unlocking something so thats great. The challenges were quite tough at times. I only played mirror matches to learn the factions.
Its great to play a discard deck where you actually get a say in the discards. I'm looking at you, Hearthstone.
rewards still seem very generous, i'm almost always unlocking something so thats great. The challenges were quite tough at times. I only played mirror matches to learn the factions.
Ooh, link please
Yeah that deck was very similar to my first build. The gold and silver cards really make the deck as it helps to accelerate it. But without the accelerators, would it work that well?
I think you get one of those silvers at the start? But yeah if you're missing Yarpen and Barclay it loses a lot of steam. For you and any other new players here I wouldn't get too hung up on golds. Silvers and Bronzes are usually the backbone of a deck. Gold is just what pushes them over the top.
Now that I don' t have access to 8 months worth of cards collected, I miss the ability to create whatever deck I want.
Yea I miss my full collection a lot.
https://discord.gg/EETa9tm
Just like MTG, haha.
As much as I want better green cards, there probably isn't a better way to accelerate the deck without unbalancing ST. Dwarves trade slowness for beefier guys, elves trade beef for deployment speed. Gold/silvers help accelerate in either case.
Peroroncino
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Turin Turambar
Member
I ended up doing a Nilf deck based 1/3 on Revealing and 2/3 on buffing + resilience. It's pretty gimmicky as it can be defeated with a single Scorch or lock, but at low levels it's good enough. Right now I'm winning more than losing.
The revealing part: 2 Alchemists, 3 Daerlan soldiers, Operator (which will duplicate a Daerlan or an Alchemist, depending of what I need), Vattier, 3 Knights (which usually also is the target of the buffing part). I found that I have enough revealing with that, I don't need Morvran.
The buff part: the mentioned knights, Ambassors to buff, Emissaries to thin, Vicovaro novices to more thinning and buffing, Vicovaro medics to recover some of the spies and repeat the same or to take important enemy units, 2 combat engineers to give resilience, Decoy & Cahir & Emhir to repeat some of the deploy effects.
Also Aeromancy + White Frost combo, weather can't be ignored.
I still don't have spotters, mangonels or fire scorpions to do a pure reveal deck.
The revealing part: 2 Alchemists, 3 Daerlan soldiers, Operator (which will duplicate a Daerlan or an Alchemist, depending of what I need), Vattier, 3 Knights (which usually also is the target of the buffing part). I found that I have enough revealing with that, I don't need Morvran.
The buff part: the mentioned knights, Ambassors to buff, Emissaries to thin, Vicovaro novices to more thinning and buffing, Vicovaro medics to recover some of the spies and repeat the same or to take important enemy units, 2 combat engineers to give resilience, Decoy & Cahir & Emhir to repeat some of the deploy effects.
Also Aeromancy + White Frost combo, weather can't be ignored.
I still don't have spotters, mangonels or fire scorpions to do a pure reveal deck.
Using the Skellige Starter Deck seems to be the way to go for beating the challenges as a new player.
Mulilgan out the Clear Sky and whatever monster card. Maybe mulligan the "get a card back from the Graveyard" 1 STR one. Mulligan a dupe if needed. Keep Geralt, Triss, and whatever that draw-2-lose-2 gold card is.
Rinse repeat for big damage. Seems to be the most straight forward starter-deck faction than the others.
Mulilgan out the Clear Sky and whatever monster card. Maybe mulligan the "get a card back from the Graveyard" 1 STR one. Mulligan a dupe if needed. Keep Geralt, Triss, and whatever that draw-2-lose-2 gold card is.
Rinse repeat for big damage. Seems to be the most straight forward starter-deck faction than the others.