NippleViking
Banned
no way dude. Ya crazy. Halo 5's fantastic, but all of the games' maps and mechanics would be better if built around sprintless gameplay.
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Halo 5: Guardians |OT5| Is HaloGAF irrelevant now?
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no way dude. Ya crazy. Halo 5's fantastic, but all of the games' maps and mechanics would be better if built around sprintless gameplay.
curiouscharles
Member
oh i don't disagree, i thought you were saying ALL spartan abilities, etc.
i would love to see a faster general movement speed and sprint removed, agree whole-heartedly that map design and game feel would benefit greatly as a result.
[also, it would save my left thumb from going numb all the time from sprinting so damn much]
Constant problems and update loops.
NippleViking
Banned
All good! Clamber and slide are grouse, and I believe genuinely improve the classic formula. Both enhance gameplay, and traversal.
I kinda like Groundpound and ADS too, though that's really just because they look and feel cool.
Thruster isn't bad either, though a higher strafe speed will render it a bit superfluous.
Sorry it so long to finally show up here.
Narrows was geo complete by the cutoff but still needs art and testing. Construct was handed off to another forger to move to a different canvas when the original builder left, and was nearly complete. The original builder found some free time and came back to complete his original vision (on the new canvas) but didn't meet the deadline.
If the playlist is successful there are many maps waiting in the wings to be deployed at a later date. The plan is to provide a complete list of MM-ready H3 remakes in The343favorites File Share for custom games.
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We are working on all Halo 3 remakes but these were the ones which were complete by the cutoff date.
Narrows was geo complete by the cutoff but still needs art and testing. Construct was handed off to another forger to move to a different canvas when the original builder left, and was nearly complete. The original builder found some free time and came back to complete his original vision (on the new canvas) but didn't meet the deadline.
If the playlist is successful there are many maps waiting in the wings to be deployed at a later date. The plan is to provide a complete list of MM-ready H3 remakes in The343favorites File Share for custom games.
Isolation and (i believe) Guardian were pulled due to MM breaking them. They worked fine when we handed them off. They should be repaired and replaced soon, if not already. MM breaking previously solid forge maps has been happening since Halo 3. I am actually surprised Guardian even made it that far. The map file has been corrupted for months (can't add screen shots, name does not show in lobby, infinite loading screen, etc).
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We came close but never completed the 1-Flag/1-Bomb variant. It has been handed off to another qualified scripter so i will let you know when it's ready.
curiouscharles
Member
agree on all points.
i also love the abilities, pretty much because they make me "feel cool".
it also makes me "feel safe" thinking i can thrust away from a nade, or thrust out of someone's lock on my head.
just something about slide+jump+thrusting around the map that's insanely fun tbh.
not to mention the magnum is amazing and i'm so very fucking happy to have a proper pistol again [IT ONLY TOOK FOREVER GOSH].
Fata1moose
Banned
Just ran customs in Halo 5 Forge with Halo 3 themed maps.
My game settings
Starting weapon: Pistol
Secondary: None
Spartan Abilities
Sprint: Disabled
Spartan Charge: Disabled
Slide: Disabled
Ground Pound: Enabled
Thruster: Enabled
Stabilize: Enabled
Clamber: Enabled
Radar: SA + Shooting - 25 M
Movement Speed 110%
Maps
Guardian by TENEDOR xFII12x
Narrows by Foge
Outpost by Pwn Jones (Not a Halo 3 map, but Pit themed, best 4v4 remake in Halo 5 IMO)
High Citadel by no god anywhere
Avalanche by some guy named Nokyard
Ragnahalla 2 by HerrMittmann
Seclusion by Given to Fly 93 (Isolation spiritual successor)
It was a lot of fun Halo 5 at 4K is great.
My game settings
Starting weapon: Pistol
Secondary: None
Spartan Abilities
Sprint: Disabled
Spartan Charge: Disabled
Slide: Disabled
Ground Pound: Enabled
Thruster: Enabled
Stabilize: Enabled
Clamber: Enabled
Radar: SA + Shooting - 25 M
Movement Speed 110%
Maps
Guardian by TENEDOR xFII12x
Narrows by Foge
Outpost by Pwn Jones (Not a Halo 3 map, but Pit themed, best 4v4 remake in Halo 5 IMO)
High Citadel by no god anywhere
Avalanche by some guy named Nokyard
Ragnahalla 2 by HerrMittmann
Seclusion by Given to Fly 93 (Isolation spiritual successor)
It was a lot of fun Halo 5 at 4K is great.
curiouscharles
Member
NippleViking
Banned
So seems like the Voice Actor's strike is coming to a conclusion, with a reasonable resolution. Jen Taylor (Cortana), Steve Downes (Master Chief), and even David Scully (Johnson) were pretty big proponents of this, and it undoubtedly affected 343's current project to some degree. Wonder whether this passing will accelerate the the next Halo project, or rather its unveil. I'm sure 343 have a lot of scripts and lines awaiting voicing.
Also don't think this was discussed yet, but anyway
Also don't think this was discussed yet, but anyway
Got a couple games in this morning in the h3 playlist. Movement feels REALLY liberating. Being able to crouch jump from level to level and continue the fight has been sorely missed. It helps that the geometry is mostly how i remember it, so I'm able to ascend without looking while still applying pressure. Its great.
Props to the forgers for a great job with the geometry and aesthetics. I instantly felt at home.
Static powerup timers are really cool!
I cant express enough how oppressive the h5 BR is in this mode. Guardian makes this point clearer than any other map. This is historically, one the most fun maps to move around in. Now the H5 BR + the grenades and hit markers +the shield regen make you feel damned at all times.
Spawns are really bad at times. Especially in slayer. Especially high grounds slayer. That gametype just makes me long for asym gametypes so the map can be played as intended.
Why isolation and snowbound? Why? Lol
At the end of the day, Its clear that a lot of thought and effort was poured into this, especially from forgers. Its a bummer that the existing sandbox and gametype selection aren't better suited towards facilitating the playlist. I hope it succeeds so that further improvement can be justified (I'm going to play it alot) - but i wonder how many classic halo fans are still playing h5 2 years after launch and how many of them have had positive first impressions.
Props to the forgers for a great job with the geometry and aesthetics. I instantly felt at home.
Static powerup timers are really cool!
I cant express enough how oppressive the h5 BR is in this mode. Guardian makes this point clearer than any other map. This is historically, one the most fun maps to move around in. Now the H5 BR + the grenades and hit markers +the shield regen make you feel damned at all times.
Spawns are really bad at times. Especially in slayer. Especially high grounds slayer. That gametype just makes me long for asym gametypes so the map can be played as intended.
Why isolation and snowbound? Why? Lol
At the end of the day, Its clear that a lot of thought and effort was poured into this, especially from forgers. Its a bummer that the existing sandbox and gametype selection aren't better suited towards facilitating the playlist. I hope it succeeds so that further improvement can be justified (I'm going to play it alot) - but i wonder how many classic halo fans are still playing h5 2 years after launch and how many of them have had positive first impressions.
Fata1moose
Banned
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Yeah, the shields make this playlist absolutely unplayable. Halo 3 had faster charging shields than Halo 5, not slower ones - let alone ones so slow that they take literally twice as much time. It's something like nine and a half seconds to go from 0 shields to them recharging which is over double Halo 2 and Halo 3's time. That's not even counting the time it takes the shields to actually charge. All in all it takes over ten seconds, and in Halo 3 it was six seconds total.
For all of its other flaws that could be forgiven, this renders the playlist entirely unplayable, and literally playing any gametype on any of these maps even once should have immediately shown that to be the case.
ZeezbruhTV
Member
Yeah the H3 list feels decent, but its nothing but a nice side distraction for a day or 2.
Matched Fats on Pit and 2 of our teammates were betraying eachother almost all game...then the other team quit till it was just 2 guys getting spawn fked. MM ladies and gentlemen.
Matched Fats on Pit and 2 of our teammates were betraying eachother almost all game...then the other team quit till it was just 2 guys getting spawn fked. MM ladies and gentlemen.
Are they doing something in addition to making it BC?
ZeezbruhTV
Member
Patching H3 BR spread/improving netcode. confirmed.
VincentMatts
Member
lol its never what you actually want, you should know this by now
I know better AF was patched in for BC titles, but I can't really think of what else they could possibly add unless for XBO X they added the ability to increase internal resolution? Game was locked at 30 so nothing to be done there.
VincentMatts
Member
its related to 3 only
Might just be making DLC required for all lists since it's all free now or something like that? Although it'll be pretty mental if they update Halo 3 while still pretending MCC doesn't exist.
The Henery
Member
Maybe the playlist consolidation that was promised back in 2013
Ouch, I mean things you say online do come back to bite but I never looked into him. I know some people wanted GameCheat13 at 343 but man looking at his Twitter, 343 won't touch that with a 10ft pool.
It's embarrassing - talent is more important than some mean words. If 343 can't take criticism than things will never improve.
VincentMatts
Member
Exactly, that twitter guy basically talks about halo 24/7, but its not all rosy so they stop listening? 343 not listening has been working out so well for them right?
343 has fucked up more then once and some of their fuck ups have been HUGE. If they cant own it, then theyre clearly not the company that should be running halo.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Really? We're pretending this guy didn't also have the whole Cartographer Conspiracy BS weighing him down?
C'mon, son.
If you work for a company you represent that company, sorry but that is how it actually works man, what you say online does matter.
Yeah, that's 100% true.
Boohoo - their feelings were hurt. He was really talented and actually signaled some hope for the franchise. Instead, they wasted his time and severely impacted his life.
Post from TB:
The guy should have been more professional online. He literally said everyone at 343i should be fired. Not a select few people, EVERYONE!
343i probably feels that his attitude would be poisonous for their team and I don't blame them.
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It's one thing to post criticism, but that is the kind of shit that would worry any Human Resources manager.
The guy should have been more professional online. He literally said everyone at 343i should be fired. Not a select few people, EVERYONE!
343i probably feels that his attitude would be poisonous for their team and I don't blame them.
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All this.
The guy should have been more professional online. He literally said everyone at 343i should be fired. Not a select few people, EVERYONE!
343i probably feels that his attitude would be poisonous for their team and I don't blame them.
EDIT:
It's one thing to post criticism, but that is the kind of shit that would worry any Human Resources manager.
Doesn't matter - he actually knew what he was doing. I'd rather hire people that keep it real and do a good job instead of a bunch of nice people that can't do anything right. I always encourage my employees to speak their mind and respect the ones that are actually honest.
I'm mixed on this.
On the one hand the dude has said some pretty toxic shit online and that's not the type of attitude you want to bring into a company.
On the other it sucks that he had already left his job etc. 343 should have done their research on the guy before offering him the job.
On the one hand the dude has said some pretty toxic shit online and that's not the type of attitude you want to bring into a company.
On the other it sucks that he had already left his job etc. 343 should have done their research on the guy before offering him the job.
I wouldn't want to work for you then, because launching personal attacks at employees would make it a shitty and even more stressful work environment.
Everyone is actually happy because there is no pressure to conform. He was a talented designer that said some mean things - who cares. What's more important being nice or having a good product? 343 needs Halo 6 to be successful and they are worried about some angry rants. Some of the best designers in the industry had angry rants online.
BIG DEAL
And 343i agrees, if they thought he was important enough they wouldn't have withdrawn their offer. But they obviously saw him as more of a liability more than anything. It's not a doom and gloom situation like your making it out to be (as you always are).
Imagine you found out that your new coworker had publicly stated that you didn't deserve your job. That's not going to foster a particularly good working environment.
VincentMatts
Member
I mean yes, it depends what you say obviously. But if its gameplay criticism, then i have 0 problems with that.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Both, especially when it comes to this franchise with its grizzled and frequently heated community. It also kinda seems like he's missing the point:
Just don't be a jerk.
Eh, he made me excited for Halo 6. I thought we'd finally have good maps.
I would talk to him and ask him to explain. I am not the sensitive type and encourage all types of criticism.
"No one at 343 deserves their jobs" goes a bit beyond gameplay criticism.
Not_A-Cop_Maybe
Member
So did he make those posts as someone in the industry or just as some random forger who happens to be really good at what he does?
Because if he was an industry person, shitting on other people working in the same industry, how badly do you think people want to work with someone who can't clearly be professional in public?
Like the best example i can think of is that dude from google. No doubt he was good to work his job, they wouldn't have hired him otherwise. Writing some weird and messed up manifesto clearly makes him unprofessional to work with.
What if he was working for 343i and later wrote something worse the next time. Freedom of speech is absolutely your right, but you aren't free of the consequences of what you type.
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Also, HI! im new to the thread. Long time halo lover, long time gaf lurker. still love the old and the new games.
Not super big into the esports or forge scene but ocassionally watch time to time.
Because if he was an industry person, shitting on other people working in the same industry, how badly do you think people want to work with someone who can't clearly be professional in public?
Like the best example i can think of is that dude from google. No doubt he was good to work his job, they wouldn't have hired him otherwise. Writing some weird and messed up manifesto clearly makes him unprofessional to work with.
What if he was working for 343i and later wrote something worse the next time. Freedom of speech is absolutely your right, but you aren't free of the consequences of what you type.
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Also, HI! im new to the thread. Long time halo lover, long time gaf lurker. still love the old and the new games.
Not super big into the esports or forge scene but ocassionally watch time to time.
The Henery
Member
Can still download his forge maps from his file share
VincentMatts
Member
I agree, i think its a bit much. But on the flipside, when you release games like MCC and dont finish fixing it, what exactly do they expect from people who bought it with high expectations? Is it too much to expect a working game and if its never properly fixed, is that ok?
I mean i agree that what he said was a bit much and he should have worded that better, but if 343 went out of their way to fix MCC for example, maybe there would be a lot less hate towards them. This anger doesnt come out of nowhere. Its a reaction to the unsupported products and support (or lack there of) we get.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Welp, there go your chances of working at 343, E92.
You think it's on the devs to decide on fixing TMCC? And do you think the vitriol spewed at 343 is justified?