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Halo: Reach Beta Thread
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CrazedArabMan
Member
NG28 said:
Uhhh nooo, they do not usually win if the core is in the open due to the fact that the spartans spawn right next to drop off point and have a ton of power weapons.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
ManCannon said:
Thanks for clarifying and teasing headshots.
It's just a real bummer to be split since Invasion is an awesome gametype and we've been living with it since 07.
Gareth Bale
Member
ManCannon said:
What is this I don't even
I mean is there a problem with hitboxes?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Played 4 games so far, we won as Elites once because I ran the core all the way for the win, and we almost lost as Spartans, beat them on the last part.
Thagomizer
Member
Headshot weapons become 1000000 times more fun once you realize the proper cadence:
blamblamblamblam...blam
Seriously. Getting four shots off to the body to quickly kill shields, waiting for the reticule to shrink, taking the headshot... sooo much more satisfying than the BR "spam as fast as you can at the head."
blamblamblamblam...blam
Seriously. Getting four shots off to the body to quickly kill shields, waiting for the reticule to shrink, taking the headshot... sooo much more satisfying than the BR "spam as fast as you can at the head."
backflip10019
Member
You son of a....EazyB said:Played 5 games starting as elites, won all 5 of them, get better at videogames.
GET ONLINE
biosnake20
Member
Yea i dont get while all of you guys are saying its ridiculously imbalanced. Yea elites should have slightly better loadouts but other than that its pretty balanced. Out of the 9 or so games i played spartans won 5 times and elites 4 times. Thats pretty blanced in my opinion.
Devin Olsen
Member
Wow! I need to start this post off by saying GAF is certainly not meant to be viewed with a blackberry.. It has taken me nearly five minutes to get this reply to you set up.ManCannon said:
Anyways, learning the inner workings of a video game has always fascinated me. So I was wondering if there was anyway you could elaborate on what the bug is that causes the parties to split. From my eyes it seems like an easy fix, which is obviously not the case.
Also in response to all the invasion hate... I only had a chance to play a few games before I had to head out to catch my plane, but the games I did play I enjoyed. With that said I agree invasion has the potential to be so much more then it is. I think with tweaked loadouts, an improved spawn system, vehicle changes and a few other tweaks it could be a lot of fun.
Guess we will see in september (updated invasion at PAX!?)
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
People that join a game and are away the whole time should be banned too.
Also there are way too many power weapons, just got demolished as Spartans in Invasion slayer because 2 guys weren't playing and the Elites got all the power weapons and vehicles.
Also there are way too many power weapons, just got demolished as Spartans in Invasion slayer because 2 guys weren't playing and the Elites got all the power weapons and vehicles.
Thagomizer
Member
biosnake20 said:
Elites also need another way in on the first stage. Games should only end on the first stage if the elites really, really suck, whereas now it usually ends there if the Spartans are even slightly coordinated, since there are only two entrances (the staircase on the left side doesn't count because it's essentially the same spot) to the ship and lots of Elites on the aft side of the ship get donged before they can even get within needle range.
first game of Invasion I got a Sharpshooter. That was cool. Then I went into Arena and got betrayed by a party of two until I booted them and ended up with an 1100 score. That was cool.
sharpshooter if anyone cares - http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=707019
reminds me of H3 BTB.
sharpshooter if anyone cares - http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=707019
reminds me of H3 BTB.
Thagomizer
Member
Kuroyume said:
I find these situations tend to be outweighed by the times I get instant backup in a firefight.
Maybe you have the same feeling I have. I feel like they're making 'Call of Halo' due to a lot of the small changes they've implemented. The only time I really enjoy the game is during Covie Slayer when it actually feels like Halo 2 and 3. The rest of the time it feels like something I'm not really interested in. I find myself wanting all the sweet new weapons and features in the Halo 3 engine and/or gameplay style.Voltron64 said:Not as hyped as I was before the beta.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I've been playing the BETA but I never posted any actual impressions and I'm still not going to do that but I did want to comment on some things:
(1) The newest BWU is awesome. Those fixes will definitely help. A lot.
(2) The netcode is awesome (originally, I thought this would be the one to need the most improvement because it was the BETA but that's not the case).
(3) Overall, I like the new direction taken with Halo. With the fixes that should come as a result of Beta, I can definitely see Reach being the new multiplayer game for me.
I also think part of the problem is mixing the glitched, unbalanced portions of the game with the new design Reach is taking. They are not one and the same, but because this is a slightly different experience it may be easy to think that some of the stuff that will get fixed is actually part of the design itself.
(1) The newest BWU is awesome. Those fixes will definitely help. A lot.
(2) The netcode is awesome (originally, I thought this would be the one to need the most improvement because it was the BETA but that's not the case).
(3) Overall, I like the new direction taken with Halo. With the fixes that should come as a result of Beta, I can definitely see Reach being the new multiplayer game for me.
I also think part of the problem is mixing the glitched, unbalanced portions of the game with the new design Reach is taking. They are not one and the same, but because this is a slightly different experience it may be easy to think that some of the stuff that will get fixed is actually part of the design itself.
Thagomizer
Member
Blueblur1 said:
Anyone saying Call of Halo has never actually played Call of Duty. It plays NOTHING like Call of Duty :lol
Blueblur1 said:
This. To be clear, I don't have any problem with Reach not "feeling" like Halo like a lot of people do; I've played a fuckton of CoD (I think I'm a 5th prestige in MW2?). I don't know that I would say Reach plays more like CoD than Halo 3, but it goes way further in the CoD directly than in the Halo 3 direction, or at least I can see why people feel that way.
Expendable.
Member
This beta is fucking terrible and this is coming one of the biggest Halo fans. I have bought everything Bungie has released but it is clear they just half-assed this. I played with four friends and we barely got through 2 games without getting bored out of our minds.
CrazedArabMan
Member
kylej said:
The beta needed 2 flag spartans vs spartans, sprint only, on a gulch style map, then I would be happy.
Thagomizer
Member
DanielPlainview said:
How it is "clear that they half-assed this?"
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Good to see Gunb recognizes the real problem with quitters is the game they left, not how soon they themselves can get back into the game.
riceandbeans said:
As much as I hate to say it (as I'm generally not a "DURR HURR RANKED" person), make the matchmaking find by "skill." It may take a few minutes longer (*mumble grumble "server browser" mumble grumble*), but I have had some close games. Then again, I have also had games where I totally steam roll the other team (with assists to/from my teammates). It's a crap shoot, but I feel it's better than "fast" matchmaking.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Why does playing as Elites in Invasion feel like playing as an oversized Spartan? You really don't feel like you have more health when you get killed just as quick (seemingly).
Trickster
Member
Killer said:
Yeah I don't get it either. I mean, sure, Bungie has changed reach to be a bit less like a normal halo game, but it's still very much halo.
The best way I can think of to illustrate what I mean is by making a compare-o-meter.
Call of Duty 4|--------------------------------------------------------O---| Halo 3
Reach is the O if anyone didn't realize.
CoD and Reach have a few similarities like loadouts, loads of unlockable stuff and sprint. But those are really the only things of the top of my head that remind me of a Call of Duty game at this stage.
Blueblur1 said:
Well, maybe they'll have "no load out" featured in custom games to where you can have your "Halo 2/3" style games with new maps/weapons + forge? Surely Bungie wouldn't be crazy to exclude that? (*knock on wood, look at Urk/Mancannon?*)
However: Reach doesn't play like Call of Duty. My main issue is the grenades and slightly more effort it takes to kill someone. And sometimes I pop their shield, and suddenly they pop mine and kill me even if I had the drop on them. ARGH.
I'm about here also.Dirtbag said:
The campaign seems like it will still play awesomely, and the story itself should be excellent.
I'm not as excited for it as I was for Halo 2 or Halo 3's campaign, but maybe that's a good thing. Some checked expectations may make the campaign seem super awesome.
But so far in the multiplayer, I haven't had that "30 seconds of fun." Everytime I start to have fun, I think of all the stuff I've also hated that match. Half the time I'm thinking about how I'd rather be playing Halo 3, to be honest.
But I don't think Reach is Call of Halo. It doesn't feel like COD to me at all. It takes way longer to kill someone and the gunplay is still so much more varied. I think the main problems right now are motion and melee. Melee sounds like it's being fixed enough. But Spartans should have a bit higher jump, at least. I forget who posted this a while ago, but I see people try little jumps over and over that I feel like we should make. Examples: from "under the yellow thingers" up to "bacon spawn/stockpile flag spawn." "Giant ass drain" to "ramp near bath house." These jumps look like they would be easy and necessary in Halo 3. But they can't be done without the perfect timing and crouching. It's not as fun, to me.
I've been trying to keep an open mind about Invasion and Invasion Slayer, especially since my initial scathing view of the game softened considerably after a few days. But both are just fatally flawed in the current implementation. Both are mostly fixable via many of the variables Bungie can tweak, such as load outs, and given how exhaustive the fix it list is already, I'm hopeful it will be much better at ship. That said, in the interest of feedback, some quick hits:
Ground vehicles are hopelessly outclassed by the avalanche of anti-vehicle measures. Rockets, lasers, plasma grenades, plasma pistols, armor lock, the plasma launcher and worst of all, the grenade launcher which can be chosen as part of a load out. Grenades and EMP bursts for all! And to compensate, the vehicles are nerfed with an overheating turret.
Invasion Slayer's weapon drops are kind of comical: they've gifts to the opposing team. The pattern throughout the games seems to be the team that gets a territory does so by the skin of their teeth, barely surviving the hail of grenades that comes down on the territory. And then the other team cleans up the stragglers, the fallen dudes spawn a long ways away, and the other team get away from the goods. It's a preferential strategy not to go for them until the other team does. That is, unless one is so far away you can't get to them. I tried to head off a drop from the moment it went active, but it took over 25 seconds - and three sprints - to get there a moment too late.
As has been mentioned, the map is way too big for 6v6 combat. Lots and lots of superfluous open spaces and winding routes inside that don't go somewhere useful.
The new system of dumping all the power weapons in one area - the rack with two rockets, two lasers, two snipers - only encourages randoms to grab two of each and head off with them as soon as they can. Play with a disciplined party, or they'll go to waste. I know it's a bug in the Beta, but since the party splits, that means the rack gets cleaned out and wasted before the third round every time. A method of spawning a few in each round would really help out.
And the starting round of Invasion really is unfair to the Elites. Spartans spawn with pistols and DMRs, they get needlers and plasma pistols over very long range; can't even engage the Spartans with either starting load out. Sure there's a few needle rifles scattered around, but they're less effective and too few; plus, they've got to be hunted down and you're exposed doing so.
One last thing. There are some weapons that just shouldn't be part of a load out. Off hand, swords, shotguns and grenade launchers. Especially on the last round of Invasion, it's easy for the Spartans to all be rocking shotguns or swords, and grenade launchers. When defending a tight indoors area with what have traditionally been close quarters power weapons in the hands of everyone on the team, the attackers are at a distinct disadvantage. Good grief we destroyed the Elites, a symphony of exploding grenades and shotgun blasts as they came through the doors. Got some nice double kills, myself.
As a huge fan of Halo 3's BTB (over 70% of all my matchmaking games), this was far and away my most anticipated part of the Beta. And it's a complete mess right now.
There's bound to be a subset of Reach's MP that I latch on to and enjoy, as I did with Halo 3's BTB. It's just not in the Beta.
Ground vehicles are hopelessly outclassed by the avalanche of anti-vehicle measures. Rockets, lasers, plasma grenades, plasma pistols, armor lock, the plasma launcher and worst of all, the grenade launcher which can be chosen as part of a load out. Grenades and EMP bursts for all! And to compensate, the vehicles are nerfed with an overheating turret.
Invasion Slayer's weapon drops are kind of comical: they've gifts to the opposing team. The pattern throughout the games seems to be the team that gets a territory does so by the skin of their teeth, barely surviving the hail of grenades that comes down on the territory. And then the other team cleans up the stragglers, the fallen dudes spawn a long ways away, and the other team get away from the goods. It's a preferential strategy not to go for them until the other team does. That is, unless one is so far away you can't get to them. I tried to head off a drop from the moment it went active, but it took over 25 seconds - and three sprints - to get there a moment too late.
As has been mentioned, the map is way too big for 6v6 combat. Lots and lots of superfluous open spaces and winding routes inside that don't go somewhere useful.
The new system of dumping all the power weapons in one area - the rack with two rockets, two lasers, two snipers - only encourages randoms to grab two of each and head off with them as soon as they can. Play with a disciplined party, or they'll go to waste. I know it's a bug in the Beta, but since the party splits, that means the rack gets cleaned out and wasted before the third round every time. A method of spawning a few in each round would really help out.
And the starting round of Invasion really is unfair to the Elites. Spartans spawn with pistols and DMRs, they get needlers and plasma pistols over very long range; can't even engage the Spartans with either starting load out. Sure there's a few needle rifles scattered around, but they're less effective and too few; plus, they've got to be hunted down and you're exposed doing so.
One last thing. There are some weapons that just shouldn't be part of a load out. Off hand, swords, shotguns and grenade launchers. Especially on the last round of Invasion, it's easy for the Spartans to all be rocking shotguns or swords, and grenade launchers. When defending a tight indoors area with what have traditionally been close quarters power weapons in the hands of everyone on the team, the attackers are at a distinct disadvantage. Good grief we destroyed the Elites, a symphony of exploding grenades and shotgun blasts as they came through the doors. Got some nice double kills, myself.
As a huge fan of Halo 3's BTB (over 70% of all my matchmaking games), this was far and away my most anticipated part of the Beta. And it's a complete mess right now.
And Firefight. Don't forget about Firefight. <3Dirtbag said:
There's bound to be a subset of Reach's MP that I latch on to and enjoy, as I did with Halo 3's BTB. It's just not in the Beta.