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Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer

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Honestly, this game just looks like you are Rob Zombie's Michael Myers with guns.

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I have a feeling if this game's context was to play a horror movie villain, there wouldn't be such an outrage.

He looks like a death metal fans dream version of themselves to be honest..or Danzig.
 

Handy Fake

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Although, just to clarify - assuming the Polish Defence League is the same as the British EDL, they're not technically a "hate group". They kind of rose up in response to some nonsensical left-wing/Muslim/media bullshit thing that seems to be sweeping people along at the minute.

Generally, they're the right-wing version of the British UAF (Unite Against Fascism). Lots of demonstrations and shouting with nary a braincell amongst them. Harmless, if distasteful, bunch.

Or as my mate puts it; "Grown men playing at being soldiers".

At least they were until we got the Kings of Clownshoes "Britain First". Ho hum.

That's not to defend them like. They're a bunch of fucktrumpets.
 

Corpekata

Banned
Although, just to clarify - assuming the Polish Defence League is the same as the British EDL, they're not technically a "hate group". They kind of rose up in response to some nonsensical left-wing/Muslim/media bullshit thing that seems to be sweeping people along at the minute.

Generally, they're the right-wing version of the British UAF (Unite Against Fascism). Lots of demonstrations and shouting with nary a braincell amongst them. Harmless, if distasteful, bunch.

Or as my mate puts it; "Grown men playing at being soldiers".

At least they were until we got the Kings of Clownshoes "Britain First". Ho hum.

I dunno, "The first report encourages all Poles who see a Polish woman conversing with a Muslim of the opposite sex to have a polite 30 second chat, which should contain information about the dangers of Islamic men. As the report signs off, it reads "If you're in a club or other place where there are Muslims – Let us protect what is ours". " sounds pretty racist to me and a bit more harmful than men playing soldiers.
 

Handy Fake

Member
I dunno, "The first report encourages all Poles who see a Polish woman conversing with a Muslim of the opposite sex to have a polite 30 second chat, which should contain information about the dangers of Islamic men. As the report signs off, it reads "If you're in a club or other place where there are Muslims – Let us protect what is ours". " sounds pretty racist to me and a bit more harmful than men playing soldiers.

I was more describing the English Defence League. Luckily we've got Laws in place that stops them getting away with that kind of shite.

Seems the PDL are a more proactively aggressive right-wing group. Load of Neanderthals if you ask me. Ho hum.

EDIT: And yes, racist.
 

Handy Fake

Member
I dunno, "The first report encourages all Poles who see a Polish woman conversing with a Muslim of the opposite sex to have a polite 30 second chat, which should contain information about the dangers of Islamic men. As the report signs off, it reads "If you're in a club or other place where there are Muslims – Let us protect what is ours". " sounds pretty racist to me and a bit more harmful than men playing soldiers.

I ought to point out that I've got very strong views on the subject and I'm desperately trying to rein myself in as I'm not sure what the NeoGaf rules are regarding stuff like this. ;)
 
I ought to point out that I've got very strong views on the subject and I'm desperately trying to rein myself in as I'm not sure what the NeoGaf rules are regarding stuff like this. ;)

It is very possible to be against the implementation of pockets of Sharia law that have sprung up in the UK, without supporting the asshattery of groups like the PDL just walking around harassing people and preventing race/culture mixing.
 

Hikami

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I don't mind this game existing but.. oof
That part in the trailer where he just takes a gun into the pleading woman's mouth.. definitely not for the faint-hearted (which apparently is me).
 
I had no idea I would be as disgusted by the entire concept of this game. With that said though, I respect the game's right to exist. To me, if books, films, comics, music, and nearly every other form of art/media can display this type of senseless violence, then video games deserve as much right to.

Personally though, I hope it is not carried by placed like Steam, GOG, or Amazon so it doesn't sell well at all.
 

Spoo

Member
I don't mind this game existing but.. oof
That part in the trailer where he just takes a gun into the pleading woman's mouth.. definitely not for the faint-hearted (which apparently is me).

My guess would be after the news uncovered in this thread makes its way out, a lot of people are going to mind this game existing. The content of the game doesn't help its case, nor does the title of the game which will easily inspire Polygon's titled: "I hate this game" review. Which will all probably be warranted.

I'm kind of ashamed now for even attempting to defend it / its creators. Perhaps title can be renamed "[Muslim] Hated - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer", or is that too much politics for Gaming side?
 
I've seen a lot before and I'd say I'm pretty desensitized to violence but there's a big difference between violence and glorified violence against innocents. From the cinematic executions down to the whole trench coat mafia stereotype, just something about it feels too genuine in its 'hatred.' Again, I'm not against it and I'm not complaining. But it's pretty rare that I see a video, real life or otherwise, that goes too far (and I've seen the worst out of Mexico, Iraq, and Russia) that actually disturbs me anymore -- again I've probably been desensitized -- but this does come off as a bit disturbed.

We'll see though. In all honesty, if this were a Terminator game, some of the gameplay and environments actually look good.

But whatever the reason, the whole glorifying a hateful murderer thing? I dunno... the reason almost doesn't matter. Fact is just something about this felt different, so we'll see how the final product is I guess. (Again, I'm not against or for it; just trying to be objective.)
 

Wasdie

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Looks dumb. Trying to be edgy and controversial. Comes off as immature and try-hard.

It just screams "Look at me! Look at how controversial I want to be!". It's like taking No Russian and making it an entire game.
 

Handy Fake

Member
It is very possible to be against the implementation of pockets of Sharia law that have sprung up in the UK, without supporting the asshattery of groups like the PDL just walking around harassing people and preventing race/culture mixing.

*deep breath*

I don't want to get drawn into the subject particularly, as I tend to rant. But in short... ;)

"Sharia Law" courts that have sprung up in the UK are used voluntarily and mostly for domestic issues. They also operate under UK Law, not in spite of it.
The EDL (and seemingly to a greater extent, the PDL) are just a branch of right-wing thugs out for a scuffle, for the most part. Although I think that about most extreme groups, be they left or right (I'm not a great fan of the UAF either, even though my views tends to mesh with theirs).
In short, groups like this tend to attract bigotry and those that just want to "belong" to a group, usually the disenfranchised or the unhappy. They're preyed upon by those higher up in the groups - those who just want to be in charge of people and could just as easily have been right-wing as left-wing if they could get a taste of power.

In short, all these political "groups" do is make life uncomfortable for a) those they oppose (usually the media enemy of the moment, or the government bogeyman when they're trying to deflect attention away from them being absolute balloons) and b) the common person in the street who has no issues at all other than large groups of detestable wankers turning up on their street and hurling abuse at each other over a line of policemen while all they want to do is go and get some shopping in.



I'm going to stop now. I just get sad. *snort*
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
whoop this is a statement of racial hatred.

Hard questions to ask myself that I didn't notice that. I honestly remember thinking on the drive home that they could offer 1970's Black Panther DLC, give the player some identity options.

I was fucking blind not to see it would anathema to the developers intent from the start.

Boy that first Manhunt was pretty good, huh? I think maybe the torture porn genre peaked at its debut.
 

Tybolt

Banned
I don't really see the issue here, if games like Postal and its sequels are considered acceptable, this shouldn't be any different just because it's trying to be even edgier. Shit, look at Uncharted -- you pretty much play as a mass genocide machine there, but it's okay because it's not the direct focus of the game? Has the modern social justice climate nowadays made everyone that sensitive?
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
Looking at the history of games of this type of caliber I would expect something like this or something even worse. All this is is shooting though. Unless they put scenarios in there I don't know how offensive it could get. Death scenes look like they're mainly done with weapons.

You wonder with their ability to make a game like this they'd at least throw something more to it. I feel like they're escaping the real offensive title by doing something like this.

They didn't have him bust open a neighbor's door while they were cooking dinner, or go inside a local store in full scenario. This almost feels premature. He was shooting outside a store. I don't need a racist game. If you want to offend me you do more than just throw me in a house with breakable walls.
 
I don't really see the issue here, if games like Postal and its sequels are considered acceptable, this shouldn't be any different just because it's trying to be even edgier. Shit, look at Uncharted -- you pretty much play as a mass genocide machine there, but it's okay because it's not the direct focus of the game? Has the modern social justice climate nowadays made everyone that sensitive?

Yep, people are actually going out and sanding people down with social justice

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This game is reprehensible bullshit, and from the looks of things, the nature of the game is reflective of the people making it.

It's shit like this that only adds to the negative stigma that the medium is steeped in.

Coming at a time when we couldn't need it less. Fuck this game, and fuck the guys who made it. Seriously.
 

orochi91

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*deep breath*

I don't want to get drawn into the subject particularly, as I tend to rant. But in short... ;)

"Sharia Law" courts that have sprung up in the UK are used voluntarily and mostly for domestic issues. They also operate under UK Law, not in spite of it.
The EDL (and seemingly to a greater extent, the PDL) are just a branch of right-wing thugs out for a scuffle, for the most part. Although I think that about most extreme groups, be they left or right (I'm not a great fan of the UAF either, even though my views tends to mesh with theirs).
In short, groups like this tend to attract bigotry and those that just want to "belong" to a group, usually the disenfranchised or the unhappy. They're preyed upon by those higher up in the groups - those who just want to be in charge of people and could just as easily have been right-wing as left-wing if they could get a taste of power.

In short, all these political "groups" do is make life uncomfortable for a) those they oppose (usually the media enemy of the moment, or the government bogeyman when they're trying to deflect attention away from them being absolute balloons) and b) the common person in the street who has no issues at all other than large groups of detestable wankers turning up on their street and hurling abuse at each other over a line of policemen while all they want to do is go and get some shopping in.



I'm going to stop now. I just get sad. *snort*

Actually, those are some solid points.

I was totally expecting you to launch into some Anti-Muslim tirade lol
 

Ashtar

Member
I can't lie this does bring up some interesting questions, I mean I don't go on rampages in GTA games anymore and even when I played Watchdogs I tried to kill as little as possible but in other games I've gleefully killed hundreds if not thousands in AC:BF IT was was quite common for me to eradicate an entire plantation of enemies while cackling like some sort of psychopath. But this game takes it to a whole nother level, I mean in my mind it's one thing to kill by the truckload people who are trying to kill you or are themselves killers (I know I'm a killer as well but forget that for a minute), but the idea of just killing innocent civilians for no real rhyme or reason is deeply disturbing to me. It's made infinitely worse by them begging for their lives.
I think it's just my line of thinking that yeah sometimes you have to kill people, people who are dangers to society and have done horrible things but just killing indiscriminately especially in a way that we've seen happen again and again in real life makes my skin crawl.

It's interesting I listen to plenty of rap music in which murder isn't an uncommon subject but again it's always with a purpose (well usually not just gunning down people in the streets unless we're talking Eminem).

Just speaking on it as a game I do wonder where the difficulty comes in, do they call the national guard, swat teams etc after you, I mean really after the first level I couldn't imagine civilians are still just walking around all howdy doody with a sociopathic serial killer, mass murderer on the loose.

Edit: Reading the last couple pages, fuck this game for being a bunch of racist bull shit. I didn't even notice that a lot of the victims were black and I'm black myself! Anyway at the very least this will be funny to watch as more people come in watch the vid/read the first few post and try to defend this game
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Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
We gotta update the title. The thread is just a trap now.
 

shem935

Banned
Well I mean....i played and enjoyed hotline miami. If they took out the stupid narration at the start it might not be as bad....maybe? I dunno it's already really bad. Will be interesting to see media run with this. Regulating video games has been dead for a while. Might be pulled back up.

Edit: Oh, shaymlan twist huh? Well will be interesting to watch this saga from the sidelines.
 

Riposte

Member
The question you may ask is: why do they do this? These days, when a lot of games are heading to be polite, colorful, politically correct and trying to be some kind of higher art, rather than just an entertainment

I don't understand the appeal of describing your game as an inferior form of game while elevating the ones you are clearly working against (I guess it might be "disarming"?) and I don't like the spreading of the idea that art and entertainment are two different things.

At first (and this was before watching the trailer), I was a little charmed by their purposeful aloofness, but this thread has been... interesting to say the least. Doesn't seem like a game I would be interested under normal conditions (genre doesn't particularly appeal to me, I never did care for Postal, and while I don't mind "killing people" in games, I only really like it when its a fight). Then again, maybe I might want to see just how fucked up it is; like are they really going for it? (I wonder what happens if you don't shoot anyone.)
 

Warewolf

Member
Mixed feelings,

This seems irredeemable to me, as though it's tone renders it valueless despite pretty tight looking production.

However this is part and parcel in the expanding accessibility of games, more people developing more games will let us see more perspectives, more expression. If 'Hatred' is the price we have to pay to see more experimental games getting made I pay it willingly.

There is also the possibility that someone with no other outlet for violent urges could end up finding some catharsis in something like this, harmless relief and a little perspective. Much like some of us surely have reading Punisher or watching horror movies.

I don't like it but I'll fight tooth and nail for it's right to exist.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
This game disturbed me but then I sit back and think about it and I have a hard time coming up with a rationalization that can separate this game from some of the other violent games I have defend in the past such as GTA, Call of Duty or Mortal Kombat.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
GTA is far worse than this.
The playable characters in GTA are portrayed as sympathetic, even cool and glamorous. This guy is miserable and living in squalid conditions. No one would want to be him.
Sure in GTA you theoretically don't have to do awful things (Maybe you don't in this game, either.) but just try keeping it clean and see how well things go. You're going to end up with some people on your windshield at best. Personally, I find callously mowing people down with your car because they have the gall to be in your way while you try to make some cheddar much creepier than killing out of anger.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
Just throwing it out there, you should probably read the last few pages before you make up your mind on how you feel about the game

Ive read the last two pages and watched the OP. I still have the same struggles. When you really start to think about what is the dividing line between justifying violence in video games against civilians in GTA or violence against civilians in this?

Put aside the possibility of the creator being in a hate group and just postulate this game minus that attachment, as many did prior to the last page, and unless I make an argument of moral relativism I have a hard time justifying why I stand by one game being ok but not the other. The best I have is intent is the difference but then plenty of people can and do play GTA just for the mayhem.
 

AlexMogil

Member
I kinda wish this thread didn't exist. Whole thing's gross. It's like people jumping into a Chic-Fil-a thread and saying they want chicken out of spite.
 
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