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HDMI 2.0 officially announced: 18Gbps bandwidth, 60fps 4K, 32 channel audio
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Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Finally I can start planning ahead to my new projector and 3D@1080p won't be restricted by being 24p, thus unsuitable for gaming. Can it also do 4K 3D @60? What about bit depth and color gamut?
Can't wait to get a new pj, tho my Sony Bravia VPL HW20 has served me well and I've just changed the lamp's bulb with a new one
Can't wait to get a new pj, tho my Sony Bravia VPL HW20 has served me well and I've just changed the lamp's bulb with a new one
Of course it is... There can be some debate on the angular resolution an eye can manage, but this one is a joke (or should be
)I very clearly meant mainstream. Yes, this is cool for PC enthusiasts, maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that the mainstream TV and laptop/netbook user won't be able to tell the difference, especially when content providers are not providing higher-res media.
What? Most decent players and TV support 24 image per second and 48 images per second, why would you want 120 images per seconds in the cable?
It would also be strange to send each image 5 times through the cable (identical images), the TV can do the conversion to 120 images per second itself if you really want it...
60fps can't be pulled into 24fps.. only 120 fps can. 120fps / 24 = 5 ( it's a straight pull down).
60 fps /24 = 2.5 which is why you have a 3:2 pull down.
Not yet. It's still in it's infancy. Give it maybe 4-5 years.
hdmi 2.0 still supports 24hz, so it passes that signal along to the tv, and the tv takes care of it with 3:2, or 2:2, 5:5..
Why does this even matter on a hyper enthusiast gaming forum?
And you didn't "very clearly" mean that. Your sentence doesn't even suggest it. You can only guess that your prior statements should be pulled down into that argument, which is anything but clear. Just sayin'
It supports 24 fps. Yep just finally got through all the PDF's. Ok so this is only bad for 4K 3D gaming and 120fps elitists, lol.
Still wish all TV's were all capable of a straight pull down...sigh.
Every single other sentence in my post except for the very first one was explicitly talking about mainstream experience. I'm sorry that I was merely implicit in the final sentence.
Because not everyone here belongs to the PC master race. When was the last time a PC-specific event brought down NeoGAF? Nintendo, PlayStation and Xbox events all have that to boast, which means at the least that a very large amount of people are here on this forum for those consoles. At current rate, the whole next generation of consoles will be unaffected by HDMI 2.0.
Hell no, it won't.
1440p is already quite a standard in PC space, why wouldnt 4k be in 4-5 years?
There is quite a few 4k TVs already from different companies on the market and 4-5 years a long time in technology.
nhlducks35
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Because NeoGAF being down is a great way to measure level of mainstream appeal?
In either case, there's a difference between "it doesn't matter to console players", and "it doesn't matter to anyone".
You're right. When I said "nobody", I was exaggerating. It only takes one person caring about 4k for me to be wrong if I was being literal, and I realize that. I'll be more careful how I word things in the future.
Theonik
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*Majority of monitors used by Steam users on PCs in which they have installed Steam.
Which is why BD players, etc output 1080p24 and now 4Kp24 ... and displays input those.
They then do either 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, or 5:5 pulldown depending on the model.
ie. no telecine judder.
Same for 3D. It uses frame-packing (1920 x 2205 @ 24fps)
That's not how 3D works.
That said, I suspect 1080p120 is in fact supported ... at least under the optional section. We'll see once the real spec is leaked.
That chart is exaggerated, it claims people can see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 20" monitor from about 15 feet away.
Apparently this chart is based on the best vision that was ever measured.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1416475/viewing-distance-chart-720p-vs-1080p-vs-4k-vs-8k-and-beyond
Its standard in terms of pricing, doesnt mean that people are buying monitors every year and steam survey isnt good indicator, because many people use it on their laptops too.
In 4-5 years 4k monitor will cost about the same or cheap than currently 1440p, which means that they will be standard displays You can buy.
Gemüsepizza
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It seems Sony's current available UHD TVs already have HDMI 2.0 built-in, and you only have to update the firmware:
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...says-hdmi-2-0-is-just-a-firmware-update-away/
I guess it is just a matter of using the right chip. And because Sony was involved in the specification process, there is probably a solid chance that the PS4 will also support HDMI 2.0.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...says-hdmi-2-0-is-just-a-firmware-update-away/
I guess it is just a matter of using the right chip. And because Sony was involved in the specification process, there is probably a solid chance that the PS4 will also support HDMI 2.0.
Wishful thinking but I seriously doubt it, it took quite sometime for HDTV to become the norm. There was some content that was captured in HD back in the early 90's, there may be SOME content shooting in 4k now (not any that I am aware of but I will give the benefit of the doubt) but not a whole lot. It would be VERY optimistic to say 4k would be the standard in 5-6 years because that would mean all of the companies that JUST finished spending millions (in some case billions) of dollars upgrading to HD would have to do it all over again.
No doubt we will have the technology but content is what ultimately drives the sales. I honestly don't see it happening.
But then again I said the same thing with the PS4 having 8gb of GDDR5 lol
Lower budget films?
There are many films out there right now, including studio films, that use digital color correction where the resolution of the outputted file is not 4K, but 2K. That means the final digital master is only at a 2K resolution. That's barely more than 1080P. Most cinemas equipped with digital cinemas use 2K projectors. Again, that's not much more than HDTV resolution. 4K in cinemas is gaining traction, but only recently.
I don't think 4K TVs will be the standard for 10 or more years.
And there I was hoping for 4k at 120 hz. Instead all we got is 3.8k at 60 hz. 4k120 may not be mainstream yet, but it would be nice if for once HDMI would again be a way to connect great monitors to a PC.
I'm missing the "good old times" when connectors where capable of connecting devices better than the best one on the market.
I'm missing the "good old times" when connectors where capable of connecting devices better than the best one on the market.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Wat.
2014 panels will sport HDMI 2.0, hell Bravia panels on the market NOW just need a firmware upgrade.
lol
Given Silicon Image's history, I could see why you'd think that ... but it's a very different time. Production has expanded, and thanks to pushes by Sony et all to go with programmable controllers (PS3 being the earliest example I believe?), that kind of situation is no longer evident.
Basically as long as the physical interface doesn't change and the controller is clocked fast enough ... it can be updated.
Obviously programmable controllers aren't in all devices, but you do see them in big ticket/long lived items like TV's, consoles, etc.
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