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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Maybe to reveal in 3 different languages?
Early signs is I really dig the Warlock legendary. Discard is typically seen as a negative and a cost hence why a 5/7 charger for 5 mana would normally be considered insane.
What the warlock legendary does is off set that cost and actually lessens the pain plus it boosts it's atk/def then returns to your hand again. I dig it. I'll reserve proper judgement until all the other cards have been revealed.
What the warlock legendary does is off set that cost and actually lessens the pain plus it boosts it's atk/def then returns to your hand again. I dig it. I'll reserve proper judgement until all the other cards have been revealed.
I just have to wonder what the point is. This stuff always gets out fast, so the regions or differences in language don't really matter. With as big as the communities are, the cards are usually translated within minutes.
The effects are usually straightforward, too, so there's limited chances for things being mistranslated. The only exception was that dinosaur card that leaked, and that's because the Chinese version uses the same word for Evolve and Adapt for some reason.
Funny cause I've had times in the past where I played against 10 or more control decks in a row.
Ok, thats pretty good as a card. Gives Discard Warlock a really powerful tool. Autoinclude in the archtype for the rest of time.
And the Expansion gets more expensive.
MonorailCat
Member
Seeing this just made me realize how expensive the new expansion will be if you like to play a variety of classes/archetypes, in part because quest cards are legendary.
Want to play a competitive discard lock? Craft two warlock legendaries, that pretty much are only viable in this one archetype of one class.
Yes, there were always archetype specific legendaries, but with the quest system it just seems you now need to craft at least two instead of one.
Seems like it will be hard to "try out" a new archetype ..
Want to play a competitive discard lock? Craft two warlock legendaries, that pretty much are only viable in this one archetype of one class.
Yes, there were always archetype specific legendaries, but with the quest system it just seems you now need to craft at least two instead of one.
Seems like it will be hard to "try out" a new archetype ..
"Oh he's buffing that card, it's 8/8 now, I guess it's better if I save my hex/polymorph/etc once he play it."
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's gonna be a good card because it's another card that negates the card disadvantage from discarding. It's a worse payoff than Silverplate Golem but it makes the deck more consistent.
Especially when it seems like the legendary minions might be designed to really help with the quests. I wouldn't be surprised if the mage quest involves Elementals, in which case, Pyros would really help.
She's another card that gains value the more she sits in your hand. Hearthstone really hasn't rewarded that style of design yet. I think she could easily be too clunky. We haven't seen any slow discardlock decks yet. That deck could easily just be too weird and not do anything exciting.
Well with that card I think we can safely say that Zoo is back on the warlock top tiers.
It's a perfect fit for the current discard zoo deck and is less stupid than the Karazhan golem card. Which is good because it will be around after that one is gone too.
As for that priest spell... I can't tell. It will certainly show up in wombo combo decks that need an extra Inner Fire or Divine Spirit or whathaveyou. But in competitive for 2 mana getting an extra copy of a spell your deck already has AND taking up a cardslot in the deck isn't that great a deal. There might be some combo I can't see yet that makes an OTK or something work, but I can't see it being in normal non-combo decks. But at least they are printing cards that work to further combos. I could see it being busted somehow in Wild also.
It's a perfect fit for the current discard zoo deck and is less stupid than the Karazhan golem card. Which is good because it will be around after that one is gone too.
As for that priest spell... I can't tell. It will certainly show up in wombo combo decks that need an extra Inner Fire or Divine Spirit or whathaveyou. But in competitive for 2 mana getting an extra copy of a spell your deck already has AND taking up a cardslot in the deck isn't that great a deal. There might be some combo I can't see yet that makes an OTK or something work, but I can't see it being in normal non-combo decks. But at least they are printing cards that work to further combos. I could see it being busted somehow in Wild also.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
1 discard is enough to make it a 4/4 for 2 mana. Worst case it allows you to tap while developing a threat.
Yeah, but how frequently can you guarantee that she gets discarded? I could easily see that you're getting out-tempoed when she sits in your hand for several turns without discarding her and you have to be happy playing her as a 2/2 just to have some board presence, and that's not good enough.
And the fact that it allows you to draw with imp a little more consistently.
seems pretty good and makes running discard more appealing
2 mana 4/4 after one discard is pretty good but ensuring you discard her early on will be tough.
i feel like if you'r in the situation where she's not getting discarded you have a number of cards in hand and thus a number of options so you're probably saturating your mana anyways.
2 mana 4/4 after one discard is pretty good but ensuring you discard her early on will be tough.
i feel like if you'r in the situation where she's not getting discarded you have a number of cards in hand and thus a number of options so you're probably saturating your mana anyways.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In those instances she's no worse than a silverware golem. The biggest issue with discardlock was inconsistency, needing 2 of 3 components to not play understated minions or destroy your hand. She helps with exactly that.
It's like wickerflame is little more than a 3rd Shielded Minibot in my paladin decks in wild.
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thepotatoman
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Why is Zavas a legendary? That has to be one of the most boring legendaries they've ever made.
It has exactly one use. You put in in a discard deck where you put in all the best discard cards and a few core warlock cards. There's not even much reason to vary up the the discard decks outside of deciding which discard cards and core cards are the best.
It has exactly one use. You put in in a discard deck where you put in all the best discard cards and a few core warlock cards. There's not even much reason to vary up the the discard decks outside of deciding which discard cards and core cards are the best.
To be honest the buff mechanic is the cherry on top. The fact the card returns to your hand after being discarded is the main pull of the card.
Most legendary in hs are boring af dude.
Pirate warrior got rekt by pirate game hunter on curve by zoolock
T1 1/3
T2 Pirate game hunter
Gg
LyleLanley
Banned
I really hope this expansion seriously mixes things up, I'm getting so tired of playing Pirates, Jade and Reno.
I'm hoping at the very least the quest cards will at the very least create something for each of the classes. Just have to hope Blizz have made each of the quests worthwhile.
Man how is that Legendary boring? We haven't had many instances of cards reviving themselves after Discard so this is working off of a new mechanic.
That card woukd have been nuts if it wasn't a Legendary. Have two of them in hand, play Doomguard and still retain your hand. Obviously you play in Discard Zoo which Blizzard is aggressively pushing again.
I thought we already had enough of Discard Zoo in Karazhan?
That card woukd have been nuts if it wasn't a Legendary. Have two of them in hand, play Doomguard and still retain your hand. Obviously you play in Discard Zoo which Blizzard is aggressively pushing again.
I thought we already had enough of Discard Zoo in Karazhan?
there are 29 other cards in your deck, you know this right?
you're not even forced to keep this card in a mulligan
It is kind of weird to separate discard mechanics from rotation schedules. The quest and this legendary will be around for a year after silverware golem and malch imp are gone and it would suck if zoo had to be discard based for that long if they continue to support the archetype.
LyleLanley
Banned
One of my issues is that pretty much as soon as you see which class your opponent is playing you know how the game is going to play out. Quests seem interesting but it may just make that issue even worse.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe, but from a deck building perspective, none are as limited in potential use, unless they are build arounds on their own, which this not.
It's a slightly different silverware golem.
MonorailCat
Member
Yeah i really hope the quest decks are at best tier 2 or tier 3 decks. I would really hate if they are so op that they overshadow other deck archetypes and every class has just 1 competitive deck again.
I hate the current meta where I can predict 95% of the deck most of the time just by seeing the class my opponent plays.
Go wild.
Druid could be egg, ramp or Jade
Mage could be grinder, Reno, tempo, mech or freeze
Warlock could be Reno, zoo or demon
Warrior is pirate, let's be honest
Hunter could be face or midrange/nzoth
Priest could be dragon, Reno or nzoth
Rogue could be mill, water or miracle
Paladin could be anyfin control, anyfin secret, secret, midrange or nzoth
Shaman could be aggro, midrange Jade, crusher, or malygos
This doesn't even include the weird shit people play at trash ranks.
LyleLanley
Banned
Yeah, I probably should give wild a serious shot.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
They probably need Quests to be their way of power creeping slower decks enough to beat Jade. So I do expect them to become the meta.
Hopefully other quests will be less restrictive on deckbuilding, or the meta will become very samey very fast.
MonorailCat
Member
Discard lock will be very frustrating .. to play AND to play against. If the RNG goes right it will obliterate and if the RNG goes wrong it fizzles.
With every discard there will be one very happy player and one very unhappy player.
Any deck that is played as much as aggro shaman, midrange shaman or pirate warrior is automatically toxic.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, but discard warlock is still pretty toxic.
Even a tier 2 discard warlock would be bad for hearthstone.
LyleLanley
Banned
There's gotta be a good middle ground between having like 3 or 4 decks that make up a gigantic chunk of the games and having every game being completely unpredictable.
Looking at this warlock legendary again.
It's a lot like Fist of Jaraxxus where the card had to be discarded to be effective. However UNLIKE Fist of Jaraxxus where you would have to pay 4 mana for a random target 4 damage, playing 2 mana for a 2/2 while not exactly good, is at least marginally effective. At least a body, even if small, has some use. And if nothing else you just play all your other discard cards and hope this one gets tossed so it's more effective. If you're playing zoo and you just need board presence, then I think you'll take this as a 2/2 and it will be ok. Unlike Fist of Jaraxxus which if you don't discard it can't do anything for you.
So this compares favorably to a nearly unused card... I guess it isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
It's a lot like Fist of Jaraxxus where the card had to be discarded to be effective. However UNLIKE Fist of Jaraxxus where you would have to pay 4 mana for a random target 4 damage, playing 2 mana for a 2/2 while not exactly good, is at least marginally effective. At least a body, even if small, has some use. And if nothing else you just play all your other discard cards and hope this one gets tossed so it's more effective. If you're playing zoo and you just need board presence, then I think you'll take this as a 2/2 and it will be ok. Unlike Fist of Jaraxxus which if you don't discard it can't do anything for you.
So this compares favorably to a nearly unused card... I guess it isn't exactly setting the world on fire.
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