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Hearthstone |OT9| Our raid wiped in Icecrown Citadel
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's more that the payoff is so much better than expected. Once the reward goes live you can immeditely have lethal from hand.
This has been my experience as well and makes warrior real tough mulligans since against PW you don't have the time to complete the quest you'll just die but against Quest warrior you're playing a very bad deck w/o it.
Opened my 60-ish packs and got 3 legendaries. Sadly (?) they were all quests.
One of them was the Shaman Murloc quest, so I gave it a shot.
For a fast-paced, smash face and clear board kind of a deck, it is a ton of fun. I've had opponents quitting by turn 5 or 6 once my hand fills up with murlocs and I start throwing them on the board. Even the 5 mana 8/8 is good.
One of them was the Shaman Murloc quest, so I gave it a shot.
For a fast-paced, smash face and clear board kind of a deck, it is a ton of fun. I've had opponents quitting by turn 5 or 6 once my hand fills up with murlocs and I start throwing them on the board. Even the 5 mana 8/8 is good.
The Wizard
Member
Having a blast in arena so far, pretty slow from what I can see. Lots of big taunts and genuinely interactive games not just better opening hands. The 6 mana paladin stegodon buff is insane though, that much I'm sure of.
I'm having fun with the rogue quest, I run Finja and double bluegill instead of Violet Teacher and Moroes. I don't know if it's better but it was what i had planned to do before the launch.
A stealthed Finja on the board the turn before casting Crystal Core can lead to a big burst of damage. I also like having more charges to bounce.
A stealthed Finja on the board the turn before casting Crystal Core can lead to a big burst of damage. I also like having more charges to bounce.
Yeah, I'm not saying the deck doesn't have counters. I'm saying that it is strong enough to demand counters. Those types of decks usually go on to shape the meta even if they aren't always Tier 1.
Yeah. For all the talk about Pirate Warrior in the last meta any control deck I built had a large and consistent winrate against them. As did any midrange or aggro deck against Jade Druid. The two decks still dominated the meta (in my ranks) in the sense that you had to run a counter to at least one of them and it was pretty stifling (unless you were playing Shaman I suppose in which case SHAME ON YOU). It remains to be seen if Quest Rogue is that type of deck or not but my experience with it so far has been pretty wtf.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Crap, one problem with Zoo as a counter to Quest Rogue is those dumb turn 2 8/8 Van Cleefs. Starting to see rogues run Counterfeit Coin again, probably mostly just for that.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Peléo;233547844 said:
Yeah, see, I'm not sure something like this should really be possible. Quest completed and played on turn 4 with 4 things on the board. That's broken.
What deck? Handlock?
Scary
I didn't make any predictions, so it's a little disingenuous to go back now, but I'm glad I was not disappointed by rogue quest.
In WotG I played a shadow caster/thistle tea nzoth deck and saw how easy it was to play multiple copies of the same card.... I think a lot of people probably misjudged the quest because of how bad shadowcaster and thistle tea were. But it was bad because it was just way to slow, you needed to survive until a big nzoth play that hit multiple sylvanas and cairne bloodhoofs, which was just unreliable to say the least.
The quest solves that problem, and the neutral elementals that spawn tokens make it even worse.
The non elemental version of the deck can be controlled up if it gets mediocre to bad draws.
If it uses the elementals then it's basically inevitable, like both of the death rattles would have to get silenced, the 1/2's would have to be controlled, AND the rogue would have to misplay significantly.... AND even then there's still other fucking cards that can be bounced instead.
Basically best case scenario for the opponent is to win by turn 6 or lose the game.
I'm waiting for the screen cap of the infinite shadow caster combo.
In WotG I played a shadow caster/thistle tea nzoth deck and saw how easy it was to play multiple copies of the same card.... I think a lot of people probably misjudged the quest because of how bad shadowcaster and thistle tea were. But it was bad because it was just way to slow, you needed to survive until a big nzoth play that hit multiple sylvanas and cairne bloodhoofs, which was just unreliable to say the least.
The quest solves that problem, and the neutral elementals that spawn tokens make it even worse.
The non elemental version of the deck can be controlled up if it gets mediocre to bad draws.
If it uses the elementals then it's basically inevitable, like both of the death rattles would have to get silenced, the 1/2's would have to be controlled, AND the rogue would have to misplay significantly.... AND even then there's still other fucking cards that can be bounced instead.
Basically best case scenario for the opponent is to win by turn 6 or lose the game.
I'm waiting for the screen cap of the infinite shadow caster combo.
The Last One
Member
Any idea yet which cards are really worth it to craft in this meta?
slightconfuse
Banned
Really enjoy elemental shaman, it seems like a more efficient Jade deck.
Kalimos is a dope legendary.
Think I'm going to try taunt warrior next
Kalimos is a dope legendary.
Think I'm going to try taunt warrior next
Craft Crystal Core, skip everything else for now. Blech. I'm giving it one week, then I'm out. Like seriously, this quest is ridiculous.
it is amazing to see the whole first 8 thread of the page of reddit being a massive complain about packs.
I am pleased.
absolutely none, the thing with the early metas is that they can change in any moment until they settle down, even if the rogue quest seems absurd at the moment, that could change any moment if someone discovers a reliable way to deal with them.
that is why I suggest not crafting anything yet, instead playing with whatever you have right now (or open more packs?) and not using dust just yet.
I am pleased.
absolutely none, the thing with the early metas is that they can change in any moment until they settle down, even if the rogue quest seems absurd at the moment, that could change any moment if someone discovers a reliable way to deal with them.
that is why I suggest not crafting anything yet, instead playing with whatever you have right now (or open more packs?) and not using dust just yet.
Of course.
The Last One
Member
I got the Crystal Core in a pack =p
Fina then, I'll wait more. I'll keep playing as paladin.
Did you post the list somewhere?
Seems like a cheap deck is be interested in trying out.
The GAF ratings? They are here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fOc2LgWfFiETMAfDEGkGx_OupxWSSJVTU4ADfs5hyTY/edit?usp=sharing
Glass Shark
Banned
Headed to a local tournament this weekend. It will be interesting to see how things shake out with that. This will be my first time playing against anyone in person, and I'm curious how much the decks played will reflect the current shifting state of the meta.
for sure, elemental shaman is super legit and is totally being overlooked right now. If i'm not undefeated with it, I'm very close.
I'm thinking of switching it out for Nether or something. I just can't seem to get any use out of it.
Are you running Stone Sentinel?
I gave Rogue quest a 3.
To the people that says wait till the meta settles: Rogue Quest is ALREADY optimized, it can reliably have a board with 3-4-5 5/5s by turn five or even four. And if they don´t have a board then they can stil do 20 DMG fron hand in turn 5, there are very Little answers for that even by teching against it, because is so fast that you need to tech several cards just to have one in the first turns which in turn will make your deck worse against several other decks
To the people that says wait till the meta settles: Rogue Quest is ALREADY optimized, it can reliably have a board with 3-4-5 5/5s by turn five or even four. And if they don´t have a board then they can stil do 20 DMG fron hand in turn 5, there are very Little answers for that even by teching against it, because is so fast that you need to tech several cards just to have one in the first turns which in turn will make your deck worse against several other decks
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Updated my Murloc Paladin deck.
Hydrologist is as disappointing as expected, but had to at least give it a chance. Not crazy weak, but other things are better.
And I think maybe Coldlight Seer is too much of a get more ahead card? Though Megasaur is too I guess. I don't know what to use. 1 of each?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/790544-murloc-paladin
Hydrologist is as disappointing as expected, but had to at least give it a chance. Not crazy weak, but other things are better.
And I think maybe Coldlight Seer is too much of a get more ahead card? Though Megasaur is too I guess. I don't know what to use. 1 of each?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/790544-murloc-paladin
I couldn't seem to get past rank 18 with quest rogue last night. When I have time I want to post my deck list so maybe people can help see what I'm missing, or spectate and at least give me some tips.
I know 2 key things I'm missing are a second Preparation and Patches, though I don't know how major a problem those are.
I know 2 key things I'm missing are a second Preparation and Patches, though I don't know how major a problem those are.
Just 1 copy, I think it's really easy to make the deck too heavy, and if you're running two of the discovers and kalimos then you'll have options to defend yourself
Glass Shark
Banned
The only thing that will stop Crystal Rogue from becoming dominant is deciding which variant of it is most reliable. Could be Pirates, Elemental, Water, or some combination of them... I even wonder if you could do a light touch of Jade Rogue and make it work.
I like how Ultrasaur is lowest rank and I opened like 10 of them in my 60 packs. Thanks Blizz.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
It's mostly the counters that are still being optimized, and further Rogue optimization off those counters.
Also the whole counter to the counter to the counter thing that takes a while to even out the meta.
I think I'm going to eat crow on paladin being the worst class. I didn't think how well elementals work with hand buff, they are exactly what you need. Firefly has probably the most impact on the game between rogue quest and here. You play something but keeping your hand size is huge.
4 mana 3/3 deal 2 dmg with handbuffs is very good and it's exactly what paladin needed, cards with instant effects. Stoneshaper is already good, with buff, you probably win the game.
Tar creeper with handbuffs is so damn good...
I'm beating quest rogue with it very well, it's just too much to deal with. It's kolento's list, look it up. Paladin doesn't seem bad at all to me right now. Certainly much better than druid feels. Aggressive druid decks are ok still.
4 mana 3/3 deal 2 dmg with handbuffs is very good and it's exactly what paladin needed, cards with instant effects. Stoneshaper is already good, with buff, you probably win the game.
Tar creeper with handbuffs is so damn good...
I'm beating quest rogue with it very well, it's just too much to deal with. It's kolento's list, look it up. Paladin doesn't seem bad at all to me right now. Certainly much better than druid feels. Aggressive druid decks are ok still.
Oh cool I've been meaning to try out a pseudo dragon/elemental deck. What rank are you trying it at?
I've been messing around with quest/highlander, It's not amazing but it sure is a lot of fun. Btw Free from Amber has been delivering, love that card.
I'm just seeing that elemental variant on noxious stream... seems pretty good!
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
You have 4 turns to build up a board, and so turn five you just hit them for a billion damage and build an unbeatable board. Or at least that is the theory.
Backstab and prep and patches and the 3/2 and 2/3 bodies those bounce backs leave behind can make that more difficult though while not really holding back their quest completing at all.
And they can clear the board better than Rogue's have been able to since the bladefury nerf, thanks to cheap charge and bounceback on the charge.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Maybe brann. Maybe. You can novice, shadowstep, turn 3 bran novice, shadowstep, novice. Doesn't have to be on curve. Can also be with swashburglar.
Gang up seems too high roll. Worthless if not on patches. The deck also doesn't have a ton of card draw.
wait, umbra works with minions summoned? I thought it only applied to minions played from hand...
it's more than worth it....
Right now people are playing the deck very poorly. You actually want to have your patches after the quest is done, it's huge. I see people are close to finishing the quest with another card but they play a pirate instead for who knows what reason. Even if you draw patches you want the chargers after the quest. The swing is key to winning unfavored match ups.
I'm also not sure if eviscerate is right in the deck. I think you want sap more than evis in this deck since you might not have room for both.
Of course, my point was that you don´t need to wait weeks for the meta to settle, rogue quest is powerful, very powerful and is safe to craft caverns and to start thinking about how to reliably counter it because this deck is not going anywhere without nerfs
To above: yup sap is better than evis in this deck