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[LeadenStride]

We have those in Melbourne too.

Some of the subways in Berlin are like that as well.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

I think New York is widely multicultural. No doubt. They speak over 800 languages there. But New York is a mega city in the same category as London, Tokyo, and Shanghai.

Toronto has 51% of its population immigrant born. That's diversity bro. Hard truth.
And the LCBO delivers bro.
Plus all our dispensaries....
And that low crime....

How are these foreigners getting canadian passport? I dont get it

Edit: might have sounded agressive lol but just curious

 

[jstripes]

Lmao at Toronto's infrastructure.

Taking a day trip to Buffalo always makes me feel better about Toronto's infrastructure.

 

[Noaloha]

These have to take into consideration bugs, right?!

Like, the mosquito likelihood, that's a fuckin thing.

The cockroach density. The wasp likeliness. The whatfuckinever. NO BUGS FUCK YOU>/


Right?

 

[jstripes]

These have to take into consideration bugs, right?!

Like, the mosquito likelihood, that's a fuckin thing.

The cockroach density. The wasp likeliness. The whatfuckinever. NO BUGS FUCK YOU>/


Right?

In Toronto there's no bugs outside for a good half of the year.

 

[Window]

These have to take into consideration bugs, right?!

Like, the mosquito likelihood, that's a fuckin thing.

The cockroach density. The wasp likeliness. The whatfuckinever. NO BUGS FUCK YOU>/


Right?

They do (they just started this year actually). The funnel web spider is the real reason Sydney dropped off the top 10.

 

[Derwind]

The slums of India and the "suburbs" of China are affordable. But they're certainly not livable.

There are so many lists and countless indices, but I think the trend for a positive and attractive city is that... Well... It has safety, job opportunities, diversity, accessible healthcare, and food options, and an appropriate cost of living. Most of the cities listed aren't abnormal in these trends nor is it exessivly impossible for the middle class to enter and have a good quality of life. I imagine most Gaffers are millennials, but they forget that on average they'll be living a long time and will be able to afford things. We have a retirement thread that can help! The housing market in Toronto isnt going to collapse - we endured the last financial crisis because we're natural fiscal conservatives. Yeah, some homes are in the millions... But they're not exactly neighbourhoods you're suppose to be looking at, are they? Some of my friends are buying landlocked properties btw, and they're all 28 or older. Toronto exists beyond its central core....

Great, I'm glad life is working for you.

However, unless you're blind to everything the reality in Toronto is that it is facing mounting gentrification, the job opportunities are not plenty unless you're of a certain skillset, wages are steadily stagnating, the infrastructure on the highways are old and can't support the growing population, transit doesn't help nearly as much, our homelessness is growing on the rise... ect.. ect.

But again I'm glad things are working so well for you.
Thanks Harris, Harper, Ford.

 

[bomma_man]

Adelaide is the Fosters of Australian cities.

Nobody actually from Australia wants anything to do with it.

Loooooooooooool

 

[Dabanton]

Moved to Vancouver last year from London and now live in Yaletown I find it pretty affordable.

If you travel to any major city in the world rent is going to be high as everyone wants to live there.

Vancouver does have some real issues with their approach to housing though. Could see some areas basically become monocultured

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Canada, Fuck Yeah.

Keep the fucking city more liveable, people! Aussies can be cheating!

 

[eot]

The people who create those lists should maybe look outside the tourist/high income districts. The outer districts in Vienna have pretty much gone to shit in the last years. Today I've had a veiled woman literally spit in front of my feet on my way back home from grocery shopping. Yesterday two refugees had a fist fight on the open street in front of my gym and my friend of turkish origin is more and more often receiving racist insults by old austrian people. You can feel that society as a whole is heating up/things are getting more confrontational.

Then again thankfully we're still quite a lot away from Paris-style suburb areas. But I really can't shake the feeling the people who create those ratings only view the good parts of the city.

Aside from security there are also too few apartments and prices are constantly going up everywhere.

I'm about to move there and housing costs are quite low for such a large city. Sometimes you don't know how good you have it

 

[Alienfan]

Obviously didn't take racism or spiders into account when forming this list, 3 Australian cities are up there.

 

[enzo_gt]

LOL at Toronto. The living costs are through the roof here on pretty much everything.

..but then Vancouver ABOVE it?

Bwahahahahahahha

Spoiler

Then again, I am a broke student, but still

 

[StrangeADT]

Australia? Skin cancer city. Canada? Terrible internet, shitty S&H and taxes. Also the winters suck.

I get 150 Mbps for $50/month in Calgary. Internet is fine here, though really only recently (past couple years). Before that, yes. Also, yes, S&H sucks, and so do taxes, but if I get skin cancer or heart disease or have surgery, or have a baby (wife is 12 weeks pregnant now), I pay nearly nothing. We have proper maternity leave too - 1 year. Sure, we get taxed - but we don't get royally fucked when we get sick (beyond the sickness itself). Canada is a great place to live. Also, I think Victoria is far, far, far, FAR nicer than Vancouver. Not sure why vancouver is on the list. I also don't think Calgary belongs on the list either but whatever. I have no idea about Toronto - been there once and only drove through it.

LOL at Toronto. The living costs are through the roof here on pretty much everything.

..but then Vancouver ABOVE it?

Bwahahahahahahha

Spoiler

Then again, I am a broke student, but still

You're not wrong. I have no idea what jokester came up with this list. Last I checked, a term like livability has cost of living implications. It's ridiculously expensive to live in Vancouver or Toronto. I consider Calgary expensive, but we're nothing compared to Vancouver. I think our average house price is literally half. I guess owning a home isn't important for whoever made the list, but the high cost of housing still has implications on rent costs. Seems odd.

 

[Markoman]

Cologne got robbed...again

 

[Brokun]

As a Canadian seeing 3 Canadian cities in the top 5. Feels good man.

But also, two of the most expensive cities to live in within Canada. So... livable in one sense, completely unlivable in another.

Also, I think Victoria is far, far, far, FAR nicer than Vancouver. Not sure why vancouver is on the list.

Because Victoria is sitting directly on top of a giant fault line that is 200 years overdue?

 

[Phyranion]

How is Norway not the best on that list?

I suspect we do bad in education, at least if they're looking at higher education. Norway's highest ranking university on the QS World University Rankings is placed 135th.

 

[StrangeADT]

As a Canadian seeing 3 Canadian cities in the top 5. Feels good man.

But also, two of the most expensive cities to live in within Canada. So... livable in one sense, completely unlivable in another.



Because Victoria is sitting directly on top of a giant fault line that is 200 years overdue?

Eh, I don't think Vancouver will be entirely unaffected if that gets triggered.

 

[MutFox]

Being from Vancouver and owning property, I feel fortunate...
Though selling and moving does seem like a good plan.

Some countries where I could move and never have to work again...
Though I'd prefer going to a socialist country, which is always pricier.

 

[Heshinsi]

Canada Commonwealth represent baby!

 

[CheDominik]

Compared to Berlin. Everything was about twice the price I'd say.

That's because Berlin is a shithole that we should have given to Russia just like Königsberg, but even they didn't want it

Actually surprising Hambug is this high up, when comparable lists release in Gemany Düsseldorf and Munich always rank higher IIRC:

Cologne got robbed...again

Exactly!

Some of the subways in Berlin are like that as well.

All of our subways in Cologne look like this, get on our level! Berlin....

 

[HyperCroutons]

Wow! I'm surprised Toronto got on this list, I like going there for shows and events but I never in a million years decide to live there. Hell I live in NYC before Toronto and I don't really like NYC either.

 

[Dryk]

The real reason nobody wants to live in Sydney

 

[Senoculum]

Great, I'm glad life is working for you.

However, unless you're blind to everything the reality in Toronto is that it is facing mounting gentrification, the job opportunities are not plenty unless you're of a certain skillset, wages are steadily stagnating, the infrastructure on the highways are old and can't support the growing population, transit doesn't help nearly as much, our homelessness is growing on the rise... ect.. ect.

But again I'm glad things are working so well for you.
Thanks Harris, Harper, Ford.

It ain't without flaws, that's for sure. But newaflash hombre, there's a huge wealth disparity in the whole wide world. We're working on preventative measures for homelessness aside of just treating them when they occur, we're beginning municipal practices to encourage inclusionary zoning and development of affordable housing. Everything takes time. My parents came to Toronto with 75 cents in their pockets, and I'm not even joking. They live in Brampton now but are very happy with their investments. That's opportunity, man.

It doesn't change the fact that Toronto is world class. We're top ten most influential finance centres, we're one of the best cities for young people, we're in the top three tech hubs, we have excellent relations with Asia, we're competitive, and education ranks high as well as safety. We have it good, and average out with other amazing cities around the world; c'mon, that's amazing. And while gentrification is inevitable, Toronto has endured, and affordability actually edges out almost 150 other cities including Chicago, our sister city.

I'd dare you to find a city that doesn't have its own swell of problems.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Those places are affordable. Sure, some of your positions in life may be on the down but a lot of people can actually afford to live in these places. If you want to include every one's cost then no place is actually affordable. Where I live (Surrey BC) isn't even affordable to people and it's magnitudes cheaper than Vancouver. It's not all about buying a house, folks.

 

[outunderthestars]

Cost of housing not included? Because those are some damn expensive cities.

This shit right here

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

The real reason nobody wants to live in Sydney

Hobart is great

It doesn't get too cold in winter, doesn't get too hot in summer, city isn't overloaded with traffic, housing prices aren't too high. The dangerous wildlife is all stuck on the mainland.

 

[RSTEIN]

LOL Toronto

-25% of our subway cars on the major east/west line don't have AC
-It will be decades until the subway expands relief lines downtown, meanwhile, we spend billions for a one-stop subway to the burbs that would have been better serviced with light rail
-Affordable housing is all kinds of messed up, cost of living keeps going on

I can't wait for local media to harp on how great Toronto is because of this list

So the subway doesn't have air conditioning and public transportation is being expanded. That's what you're complaining about.

 

[Derwind]

It ain't without flaws, that's for sure. But newaflash hombre, there's a huge wealth disparity in the whole wide world. We're working on preventative measures for homelessness aside of just treating them when they occur, we're beginning municipal practices to encourage inclusionary zoning and development of affordable housing. Everything takes time. My parents came to Toronto with 75 cents in their pockets, and I'm not even joking. They live in Brampton now but are very happy with their investments. That's opportunity, man.

It doesn't change the fact that Toronto is world class. We're top ten most influential finance centres, we're one of the best cities for young people, we're in the top three tech hubs, we have excellent relations with Asia, we're competitive, and education ranks high as well as safety. We have it good, and average out with other amazing cities around the world; c'mon, that's amazing. And while gentrification is inevitable, Toronto has endured, and affordability actually edges out almost 150 other cities including Chicago, our sister city.

I'd dare you to find a city that doesn't have its own swell of problems.

And again I'm happy for you but the reality you're trying pass ain't the reality people are living with each and every day.

Not everyone has parents that can help support them in any feasible way. But it's good to know that somewhere out there someone has it worse than me. Really me makes me feel better about myself everytime I look at all my bills or everytime I look at the disposable income I don't have when I go hungry because wages aren't growing with the cost of living in the city.

Honestly I'm done having this conversation, your Toronto isnt my Toronto.

Those places are affordable. Sure, some of your positions in life may be on the down but a lot of people can actually afford to live in these places. If you want to include every one's cost then no place is actually affordable. Where I live (Surrey BC) isn't even affordable to people and it's magnitudes cheaper than Vancouver. It's not all about buying a house, folks.

By that logic, everywhere is affordable because there is always someone that can afford to live there comfortably. *eyeroll*

 

[Damerman]

Toronto's the most diverse city in the world. Vancouver is pretty up there too.

ITT, i learned that Toronto is very diverse...

It takes a special kind of ignorance to assume Toronto of all cities is homogeneously white. A homogeneous population doesn't make a city bad whatsoever either, but it's certainly not the case with Toronto anyways, which is incredibly ethnically diverse. You should have done a quick google search.

But it's fine, if you hate Australia and Canada for having nice cities then you're really, really not welcome anyways.

bro, i don't even know you like that.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

By that logic, everywhere is affordable because there is always someone that can afford to live there comfortably. *eyeroll*

Way to extrapolate the wrong point.

Hate it or not but it's a fact there are A LOT of people who can afford these places. Like, just learning a trade means you will most likely live comfortable in downtown Vancouver (after the initial years). By the way, trades are in super demand.

 

[Hellix]

Pictures of New Zealand are so breathtaking. I do wonder what its like to live there.

 

[HariKari]

Did they not factor in the cost of places like Vancouver?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Did they not factor in the cost of places like Vancouver?

It's not like 5 people live in these cities. A lot of people can afford to live there.

 

[Dryk]

Hobart is great

It doesn't get too cold in winter, doesn't get too hot in summer, city isn't overloaded with traffic, housing prices aren't too high. The dangerous wildlife is all stuck on the mainland.

I really like Hobart. But I live in Adelaide so what the hell do I know

 

[Monocle]

SAYS WHO

List is biased against Americans.

 

[Jake.]

adelaide is great. i miss it alot, but still go back 2-3 times a year to see my parents. it has improved drastically over the last decade.

 

[Hypron]

I live in #8. It's pretty good.

We have those in Melbourne too.

We have them in Auckland too, they replaced all the trains about 1 and a half years ago.

 

[Pinewood]

Can someone post the rest of the list? Not really interested in signing up to the economist just to download a file.

 

[Dynedom]

Everytime these lists come out i hate canada and australia so much more.

How is Norway not the best on that list?

And to be honest how diverse are those cities? They all strike me as homogeneously white.

The fuck? You've obviously never been to Toronto nor Vancouver.

edit: Slightly redacted. Looks like you haven't been.

 

[Aztechnology]

Uhhh can someone explain to me how cost of living somehow doesn't factor into "livability"?

 

[Christhor]

Everytime these lists come out i hate canada and australia so much more.

How is Norway not the best on that list?

And to be honest how diverse are those cities? They all strike me as homogeneously white.

Norway doesn't have any great cities. Oslo in particular is a shit show.

 

[catmincer]

Pictures of New Zealand are so breathtaking. I do wonder what its like to live there.

The photos are almost always of the south island which is definitely one of the most beautiful places in the world. I live in Auckland. Personally, I think Sydney is better but Auckland has its charms.

 

[squall23]

Calgary you say?

Well, I guess out of the top 5, that place probably has the lowest housing prices. Oh, and an amazing mayor.

 

[Lexxism]

SAYS WHO

List is biased against Americans.

USA USA USA 🇺🇸

 

[p_xavier]

As a Montreal resident, the city has been in decline for a long time. The infrastructure is crumbling, everyone is corrupt to the core and the economy is slowly going down.

The only thing pretty much left intact is the culture. Montreal is lots of fun.

Please, stop the self hating. The city has never been better and all the crumbling infruscture is currently being replaced.

The corruption is out, compared to Vancouver where rich Chinese declare 25k in annual salary. Go live elsewhere and you'll see how Montreal is clean. I lived in Toronto and Ottawa for most of my life, and the people there are too Ned Flandersy to see the flagrant corruption.

 

[Asmodai48]

Lol so much fucking salt in here.

 

[Bishop89]

Everytime these lists come out i hate canada and australia so much more.

How is Norway not the best on that list?

And to be honest how diverse are those cities? They all strike me as homogeneously white.

Based on what? Melbourne is extremely multicultural

 

[Asmodai48]

Based on what? Melbourne is extremely multicultural

Based on USA! USA! USA!

 

[Mimosa97]

Please, stop the self hating. The city has never been better and all the crumbling infruscture is currently being replaced.

The corruption is out, compared to Vancouver where rich Chinese declare 25k in annual salary. Go live elsewhere and you'll see how Montreal is clean. I lived in Toronto and Ottawa for most of my life, and the people there are too Ned Flandersy to see the flagrant corruption.

I've been to vancouver it felt way cleaner than Montreal ...

I'm not self-hating I couldn't live outside Quebec because I'm French and I like to speak french on a daily basis but yeah Montreal feels kinda left behind tbh