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[Tunesmith]

What's not draconian about that?? No internet = no Xbox Infinity or are my reading skills broken?

Perhaps something along the lines of Steam offline mode?

 

[MoeB]

looks good

 

[shinobi602]

Price. Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console, offering a standalone version for $499 and then a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

$500?? Hahahahaha

 

[Mr.Green]

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't implode if you lose your internet connection?

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

So they DID change plans because of Sony

but gaf told me microsoft wouldn't even be phased by sony's announcement!

 

[McHuj]

That subsidy plan isn't very appealing, imo. I don't think $299 is low enough. I'm surprised that they're not keeping the $15/month with the current plan and going with a $199 box.


I think Sony will match them with a subscription plan console.


And with regards to the stingray, I wonder if we'll see a price cut for the 360 as well on the 21st. I don't think they can announce a $99-$149 dollar current gen xbox and say it's not shipping till the fall. They'll either have to cut the price immediately, or the cheap version will ship almost immediately like the Slim did.

 

[macewank]

when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?

every time I take my console with me while traveling. which is more often than you'd think.

 

[Reiko]

when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?

This entire gen for me.

 

[kevcampbell]

Xbox live gold expected to be $10 a month?

 

[LyleLanley]

I'm starting to get confused. What's the difference between internet connected/always online?

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

So they DID change plans because of Sony

According to this guy. He's not exactly Microsoft.

$500?? Hahahahaha

I'd guess both the PS4 and new Xbox will have $500 versions.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

I feel that saying nothing changed on their end because of the PS4 reveal is unreasonable. Of course their strategy changed, however minor these changes were.

Of course. There just seems to be some gaffers that insist these companies either don't care what the others are doing or the classic ''X is not competing with Y''. Of course they keep a close eye on each other and plan accordingly. Even if the focus of Xbox was TV entertainment ect they will have to respond to whatever the other 2 are doing.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

"Not as draconian" implies that, at the very least, there will be a timer in case your connection resets before the game outright stops working.

......how did you come to that conclusion based on that sentence?

 

[fastford58]

when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?

Every day with my PS3 and 360. Only time an ethernet cable is plugged in is if I am doing system link with my boys. Maybe I'm the only one on the entire planet though?

 

[Crimson_Gold]

26 days right?

This always-connected/always online mess needs to be resolved once and for all.

 

[KingJ2002]

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe

wat.

look... if my internet goes out... i should still be able to play the games i purchase. new or used.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?

Not really the point?

People have their PC on all day and that didnt help them play Sim City...

 

[oVerde]

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be internet-connected to use. This is source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

Sounds pretty much as 360 is, without internet it has 10% of the capacity, just offline campaign and multiplayer.

Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month.

THIS actually bugs me out D:
Better be god damn good, be the Netflix of gaming or GTFO.

 

[Muchi Muchi Pink]

when is the last time you guys used a console that had no ethernet cable plugged into it ?

Yesterday?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I think it's pretty obvious that the next Xbox is more of a service, and you can't get that while being connected. You can have BASIC services without it (ie playing games offline) but a lot of the push they're making is online and with more than just achievements and friend lists, and is simply something you can't get offline due to its nature.

 

[Majanew]

So it has a Blu-ray drive. But has MS paid the license fees for movie playback, or is it similar to Wii U's approach?

 

[macewank]

So they DID change plans because of Sony

Appears so, but what changed? The box itself probably did not. If anything, they probably changed what they wanted to present and how to best go about it.

 

[Aquamarine]

What the hell is that even supposed to mean? It doesn't implode if you lose your internet connection?

1. There is not going to be a system where your game IMMEDIATELY stops working if you lose your connection.

2. However, there MAY be a system where your game stops working if you lose your connection for a significant amount of time.

3. You will need an always online connection to be able to use the Xbox (boot games, services, XBL, etc.)

 

[R3TRODYCE]

I'm down.

 

[i-Lo]

Could it be that you need to log into your account at the start up and this will require internet connection given MS rep stated that it wasn't a necessity for playing actual games?

 

[batman2million]

This is false. $499+2 years of live @ $60/yr is $620
@ $299 plus 2 years @ $9.99 month is $540

noway is the $299 version cheaper in the long run.

Do people not look for deals when shopping for live? I've never paid more than $40 /year for Live.

 

[SniperHunter]

$499 is way too expensive...I hope it's $399

 

[Meier]

If it's only $40 extra over the course of 2 years then I'd be all for the subsidized version.. now that I see it, obviously there would have to be some sort of catch. Maybe the $499 one would include a 2 year sub to Live in the box?

 

[Ensoul]

Interesting thanks. Not understanding what Draconian means anyway. Price is exactly what I expected: Between 500-600 bucks.

 

[fastford58]

1. There is not going to be a system where your game IMMEDIATELY stops working if you lose your connection.

2. However, there MAY be a system where your game stops working if you lose your connection for a significant amount of time.

3. You will need an always online connection to be able to use the Xbox (boot games, services, XBL, etc.)

Yeah...no thanks. What was the simcity timer....3 minutes? Lol.

 

[Soriku]

"Not as Draconian" is probably his opinion and he doesn't care if a console is always online so it's not Draconian to him. But everyone else does care.

Also the max for the PS4 and Nextbox really should be $450.

 

[Coolwhip]

499 wont end well for MS.

 

[Flame Lord]

If $499 and always-online are true I think I'm gonna have to pass. Which is a shame because the 360 was my console of choice the gen.

No entertainment box is good news if true.

Gaming should always come first.

How would a separate entertainment box that you buy separately take away from gaming?

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

So they DID change plans because of Sony

I find it difficult to understand how an extra 30 days of preparation could enable them to do anything of significance.

They certainly won't have been able to change the main CPU/GPU & RAM specs in that time...unless they've thrown their budget costs out of the window, if so, doesn't say much for what we were going to get prior to the PS4 reveal.

I'd like to think the 8GB reveal threw them into utter panic....

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

No entertainment box is good news if true.

Gaming should always come first.

Sony scared the shit out of MS with their "gamers first" approach lol

 

[Ridley327]

Isn't the current Xbox 360 subsidized offer at a 2-year commitment at $15/month for XBL Gold? I don't know why they would charge less for their next system.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

People aren't going to think about $499 - they're going to say $299 and people will spring for that. Hell, I will.

 

[thesuperfunk]

beaten?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=547072

 

[farisr]

So, they pushed it BACK to better position themselves against the PS4? That means they were ready, but then PS4 announced something or a feature that took them by surprise, so they had to push it back?

It can't be hardware, it's way too late to change hardware.

This is all speculation of course, but perhaps they expected Sony to also implement an "internet-required/always-online" console and Sony didn't go through with it. Learning they'll look like jackasses if they were the only ones to implement such a thing, they needed time to regroup and figure out a decent strategy/maybe change some plans in regards to that feature.

 

[somesayyea]

price is a bit high for my liking and the always online bit sounds awful

 

[Kajiba]

I'm wondering how much Gb will it have for that $499 price.

 

[DopeyFish]

1. There is not going to be a system where your game IMMEDIATELY stops working if you lose your connection.

2. However, there MAY be a system where your game stops working if you lose your connection for a significant amount of time.

3. You will need an always online connection to be able to use the Xbox (boot games, services, XBL, etc.)

I say amendment to number 3... Boot games for the first time

 

[-PXG-]

"Must be connected to the internet" sounds Draconian as hell to me

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

499 wont end well for MS.

Most people will buy the subzided version, a lot of people already pays for XBL Gold...

 

[Kame]

Sounds pretty much as 360 is, without internet it has 10% of the capacity, just offline campaign and multiplayer.



THIS actually bugs me out D:
Better be god damn good, be the Netflix of gaming or GTFO.

Uh this can be implied to all devices that can access the Internet?

 

[MaximumFlipFlop]

$10/month for XBL? Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

Hopefully that ridiculous pricing is only for the subsidized version.

 

[jschreier]

This pretty much matches everything we've reported over the past few months. Looks like the rumors are all lining up.

 

[phosphor112]

This'll be good.

 

[Deku Tree]

Who is Paul Thurrott?

 

[ekim]

This is false. $499+2 years of live @ $60/yr is $620
@ $299 plus 2 years @ $9.99 month is $540

noway is the $299 version cheaper in the long run.

hm... maybe you get 1 year of gold for free?