I was assuming "Not As Draconian" probably translated to it being notably more fault tolerant than 3 minutes.
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Here Comes the Next Xbox {Many Xbox 720 Details - Paul Thurrott article} [Updated]
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I was assuming "Not As Draconian" probably translated to it being notably more fault tolerant than 3 minutes.
so, if this is true microsoft, consider your self a "winner" if I get your shitty system at some point in time for forza only.
Impeccable
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Interesting details, we're approaching the hype zone.
Not sure why an insider with no much information didn't go out of his way to explain why it's not draconian if he knows the plan. Would be more effective to explain exactly what that entails and it's easy to see why you can read into that as a negative.
Not sure why an insider with no much information didn't go out of his way to explain why it's not draconian if he knows the plan. Would be more effective to explain exactly what that entails and it's easy to see why you can read into that as a negative.
1st Course
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100%. Ballmer has made it clear several times that multimedia and service is the #1 focus for the Xbox brand now:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/10515/xbox-is-family-entertainment-center
Maybe you can elaborate on the fact that the always connected thing is not that draconian...
Well, it could be subjective perspectives on the same feature set.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Yeah, I think like 1 hour of offline play or something along the lines.
WrenchNinja
Member
How the hell is that not draconian as it is
That is absolutely draconian as it is
That is absolutely draconian as it is
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What stands out for me are the prices.
Particularly that the subs model ain't even very cheap. I was thinking the new Xbox could sell a lot more than PS4 in the US if the subs model price was $199 or even $99 but with a pricey two-year contract.
Particularly that the subs model ain't even very cheap. I was thinking the new Xbox could sell a lot more than PS4 in the US if the subs model price was $199 or even $99 but with a pricey two-year contract.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Except the $299 version is -more- consumer friendly. You're paying $40 more for the device at the end but getting 2 years of XBL in the process while you get 0 paid XBL on the $499 version.
That was my point. The $299 version is going to be more expensive than $299 + 2 years of XBL at $10 a month. That price point honestly doesn't make a ton of sense, its actually a better deal than just buying the $499 version. The monthly XBL cost is going to be more than $10 or its going to be a 3 year contract at $10 month or something.
I wonder if they'll play chicken with Sony when it comes to announcing the prices.
fastford58
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They'll be generous and give us like 10. Please sir, can I have some more? I'm but a poor peasant who scrapes a living at the will of his superior masters!
Aquamarine
Member
Indeed. Three minutes is way too little. It will be designed in a way that you can go and reset your router and whatnot before the game outright quits.
Microsoft doesn't want to kick you out of your game....they just want to fundamentally integrate the cloud.
$10 a month is pretty much close the regular price you have to pay if you buy single month subscriptions to XBL right now. It's when you buy 3 month subscriptions or full year subscriptions that the price goes down to around $5/month.
And yeah, these types of prices typically only apply to the subsidized/contract based xbox models.
To him. Or maybe instead of that rumored three minute rule it's a fifteen minute rule. Or maybe you need a connection to boot it and play, but once in, you don't need a connection.
It's all speculation.
more like steam or spotify where you have to reauthorize once a few weeks if you use offline mode.
SuperSonic1305
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Didn't stop the PS3 from being "$599"
phosphor112
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If it really does use Windows 8, that explains why they'd go always online. Otherwise people can rip/copy and pirate them out the fucking ass.
Requiring online authentication constantly would make sure that doesn't happen.
How is always online requiring to use the Xbox not Draconian?
Requiring online authentication constantly would make sure that doesn't happen.
How is always online requiring to use the Xbox not Draconian?
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Deleted member 47027
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Good point. Man, that sucked the air out of the room at the time.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I've been paying $30-40 a year for 5 years straight. $120/year is bullshit.
He writes about Microsoft and reviews their products.
What if the ps4 sells for 599 though? People may go with the cheaper version. Not a huge fan of buying a reduced price system and paying a monthly fee. Somehow this always ends up costing the consumer an extra 400 bucks.
I honestly don't know. Maybe he's referring to the timer we reported (that will give you a few minutes of slack if you lose your Internet connection), or maybe he just doesn't think always-online is all that bad?
Dreamgazer
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Does "Yuma" = the rumored Xbox-mini?
Cause this brings the question of BC back into play?
(Yes, there is that 360 SoC rumor...)
Cause this brings the question of BC back into play?
(Yes, there is that 360 SoC rumor...)
A console's colloquial price becomes whatever the most desirable SKU costs.
MoGamesXNA
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It'll probably be a once off activation that ties the game to your XBL account. Count me out if that's the case.
If there's a time limit involved... well, the megaton that goes down in the forums will be entertaining at least.
Edit: I buy games new and never sell or trade them in, so this wouldn't affect me in a negative way. I just refuse to accept such a draconian anti-consumer stance. If MS do this, I'll feel very guilty for strongly supporting them through their first two generations of hardware.
Relaxed Muscle
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Gold users gets 1 hour of offline play. Platinum users 5 hours.
Thurrott is a Microsoft salesman so his opinion on the matter is predictable.
Randolph Freelander
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Gaming does not need the internets, Microsoft.
Alex
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Subsidized model would still be cheaper, heck cut off a lil more with the tax you'd save too. Seems a bit off.
Neuromancer
Member
No thanks.
Yes and no. Sure it's convenient to have some sort of DRM security in place for the developers, you as the consumer falls short as if a network goes batshit crazy, you'll be affected from even accessing single-player mode.
Ergo; Diablo 3?
Second, piracy is always going to happen. Hell I wouldn't be surprised with this type of network reliant console, LV2 can be accessed more easily as that's a gateway for it's system local network OS and authentication.
But yeah, whether it's 10 minutes or an hour that you can play without being connected. Won't make a difference if you can't connect to the server in the first place to start up the game due to server maintenance/your internet messing up/your router messing up/servers being overloaded near the launch of a game.
Tylahedras
Banned
I hope "Not Draconian" is on the box as spec.
80GB Internal Storage!
Always Online!
Not Draconian!
Lol at this nonsense. I still cannot fathom how they could think they can make a box that forces you to have an internet connection to work. Amazing.
80GB Internal Storage!
Always Online!
Not Draconian!
Lol at this nonsense. I still cannot fathom how they could think they can make a box that forces you to have an internet connection to work. Amazing.
Confidence Man
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Always connected, non-optional kinect, and a paywall. The unholy trinity.
grimshawish
Banned
No second SKU makes me much more confident on the need to sell a games console.
Is that different from stingray?
Is that different from stingray?
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Deleted member 47027
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Keep in mind the more gold subs they have, the more they can get from advertisers. So while it's a better deal for the consumer that route, it is made up on advertisers' backs and such. I'm alright with that to help.
Nightstick11
Banned
So Sony+Nintendo it is.
Lambda Pie
Banned
sounds awful to be honest.
DevilWillcry
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This is what I was thinking.
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Deleted member 284
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Yeah you beat me to it. If anything monthly live price will be $14.99-$19.99 a month for two years (a "subsidized" $660-$780 Xbox IMHO)
If that is to be believed, either Paul has gotten wind of some new info on this policy, or he's delusional.
Captain Tuttle
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I'm guessing an initial sign in to register the game and then you can play offline. And you'll need a unlock key to play used games.
Basically something in the middle of all of the worst case scenario rumors