In League you have to own enough heroes that it wouldn't be possible for you to be unable to play something unless I'm mistaken, would assume similar.
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Heroes of the Storm Open Beta Thread of Sneakiness and Evil
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In League you have to own enough heroes that it wouldn't be possible for you to be unable to play something unless I'm mistaken, would assume similar.
If you have an ordered pick phase there needs to be bans.
The external non-Blizz tournaments currently require you own 11-12 heroes to play.
sobaka770
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Still better than when we had Artifacts.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I don't really agree. I've played I guess 200+ games at this point, and from where I see things the game is all about teamwork and team fights. Kill counts are irrelevant in a sense, but getting killed takes 1-3 seconds if the other team actually knows how to focus fire and you don't know the range you need to float at, and one person being dead for 45-60 seconds can swing the entire game.
This is pretty much my experience as well. And when you play Abathur as much as I do, some maps and group makeups make me feel virtually worthless until the mid teens, while other times (like a game I had last night), I can copy someone like Azmodan or Gazlowe and push a core solo. For Abathur I find I have to just take my best guess on my build as things develop to try and maximize either pushing a lane or helping in team fights. Other heroes you basically have to commit to a build from lvl 1 or you're going to be a gimped mess by lvl 20 and by then it shows.
McBradders
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Are invites still being dripfed?
Yup. Check both Battle.Net and the Launcher.
Fine Ham Abounds
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The bottom line is the game will have legs if they keep it different. Being different and balanced is more important than being even particularly good. I have enough objectivity to realize this is a scrub MOBA for MOBA scrubs, but what I love about it is that it feels like old WoW battlegrounds because of the balance of objectives and skirmishes.
The gold bullshit is terrible, but I think is close to the model they will keep. They need better cosmetic shit to make it really sustainable, but they undoubtedly want gold acquisition to be as slow as it is.
I think the technical issues (connectivity problems, getting stuck in a fucked up game where 6 people can't connect and you're stuck with bots for 20+ minutes, some games taking 5+ minutes to load properly) are what are going to drive people away if they aren't fixed.
Supposedly the maps we have now might not even be the maps they launch with, but I'm not yet convinced. I think the Tribute and Skull ones are near perfect now, Pirate map is too slow, Dragon Shire is a nightmare if you get stuck with a weird team makeup, and the Garden is wayyyy too big and should have been a 2 lane map.
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Deleted member 325805
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Just because Hearthstone may be worse doesn't mean this game doesn't suffer as well, if it releases like this it'll be the death of the game, people won't farm for 2 - 3 weeks per hero.
If you play Hearthstone for a year, you'll unlock a near-complete playset. Same isn't really true here - the gold rate is too conservative. The dailies feel like they need to be bumped, though, not the games themselves. (Grinding sucks.)
I haven't played LoL in about 1.5 years, but how long does it take now on average?
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Deleted member 325805
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In LoL? It's better than HotS, that's all I know from the people who have done the maths. If HotS added a first win of the day bonus, bumped the win/loss gain slightly and reintroduced rewards past level 15 it would be fine.
TrAcEr_x90
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They send it to you in the battle.net browser? I consistently play Diablo III and Hearthstone so I hope I get one!
Yeah, although someone here only found it via the Battle.net website, and it appeared once they used the installer, so YMMV.
It's a f2p game. You can pretend it's not and dish out 60 bucks on your favourite heroes and be done with it.
It needs to be 1 game per level to unlock, not EXP-based. Running 3 quick co-op games with a character isn't a big deal. 5-6 definitely is.
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Deleted member 325805
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I could do, but I won't as I feel everything is very greedily priced, if I feel like I'm getting a good deal I have no problem spending some cash on a F2P game, but I won't if I feel like I'm getting the shaft.
That depends. This game is all about mastering your hero and perfecting your every move in teamfights. I bought Brightwing for rl money and am going to by Tyrael for ingame gold.
Apart from that I want Abathur and then I am good.
I feel I have variation enough with these 3 heroes.
Then again I almost only played Puck, NP and Meepo in Dota.
DivineRage002
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Sooo what's the excuse for blocking talents until you grind them? I checked "master" when it asked me my experience with similar games, can we drop the drooling retarded handholding please?
Restrict options for newbies so they don't get overwhelmed. It's not inherently a problem, but there are too many games required to do the full unlock right now.
But are you really a Master at MOBAs?
It originally was, and it was much better.
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Deleted member 325805
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Yeah that's something I thought as well, once you hit level 5 or something all heroes are ungated.
spindoctor
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That was me and I should mention that I did get an email about 6 hours later. It probably got delayed after my account was flagged for access.
DivineRage002
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But I checked master, what's the point of even asking.
It sets your starting ELO.
...To a level where it's really not helpful to have locked skills.
I guess even there aren't ranked matches, your ELO improves if you keep winning matches, right?
DivineRage002
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I've played in competitive tournaments of dota 2 with a ranked team, of course I'm not Dendi, and I don't claim to be, but I don't think the "master" button should be considered as "I am Dendi".
I am at ease playing 80+ dota 2 heroes, I think I can learn four simplified abilities within a few minutes without being overehelmed.
Shit, those talents are not even new abilities, they just enhance the four you already have. What's the point of blocking those options?!?
You know I was just reminded of how shitty the release version of Diablo 3's skill system was (without elective mode), and how much that reminds me of the talent gate thing.
On paper it says noob friendly but in reality it's already noob friendly without the additional restriction.
They're not making Peggle you know. How noob friendly does it need to be?
Also, talent gate is a really funny name for a controversy, it's actually about ethics in multiplayer battle arenas.
On paper it says noob friendly but in reality it's already noob friendly without the additional restriction.
They're not making Peggle you know. How noob friendly does it need to be?
Also, talent gate is a really funny name for a controversy, it's actually about ethics in multiplayer battle arenas.
Yeah, it's used to try to get you good matches.
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Deleted member 325805
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I've finally found a hero I don't like and that's Chen. I'm really not into the 0 damage root bot playstyle.
He's best as a finisher who only goes in when someone is mostly or at least half dead.
You want his chasedown abilities, kill someone quickly, and then get out.
This guide might help: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/guide/full-illidan-guide-hunt-meta-builds-7
machemachete
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I remember that long time ago, i registered for the betas in the BN webpage but i haven't received anything D:
In the case i have been selected, it would appear in the list of games in the BN program, right?
In the case i have been selected, it would appear in the list of games in the BN program, right?
Ah, thnx!
Elective mode was in D3 from the very beginning
Cool. I started at the very first level (I'm a MOBA noob), but I win most of my matches and doing a good job (I think lol), so I was wondering that. Thanks!
Yea I know, I was in the D3 beta aswell (lucky me!). The skill system went through a couple changes, but I meant that elective mode was default off and the skill system sucks that way, but they did it to help out new players.... even though it's pretty damn easy anyway and everybody, even "noobs", turns on elective mode. Kind of like how talent gating is to help new players, but the talent system is already super easy and noob friendly so the gating is not necessary.
Risible
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I would if that got me a ton of heroes, but at the current prices that could be as little as six heroes. Fuck that, that's insane. If $60 got me the majority of the heroes I'd be happy.
I'm not opposed to spending money on f2p, I've probably dropped a few hundos on Dota 2 by now, and feel like I've more than gotten my money's worth. HotS needs to come into line with Valve's pricing to get me to drop any more cash on it.
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