Great information on upcoming Fox titles!
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=264076
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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Christoff Yurievich
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you call that slanted? it's exactly what he said. what's slanted about it?Maxwell House said:
dallow_bg said:
indeed. if these damn hackers cause my movies to become unwatchable, I will sit and stew about it on an Internet forum! (because that's all I'll be able to do.)Same thread this time information from Panasonic:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=264076
For those that missed the last page there is also information on Fox's new titles and I'm sure there will be more as the day continues.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=264076
For those that missed the last page there is also information on Fox's new titles and I'm sure there will be more as the day continues.
Ignatz Mouse said:
absolutely. No point trying to guess what happens as logic is out of the window for now.
now is actually a good time to announce one way or another. Try and affect market share leading into Black Friday and the holidays in general. Waiting until January means you've left your peak sellign season behind.
Although unless Warner has secretly been mastering all the big HDDVD titles on bluray, ready to release them in Q4, I don't see how it will necessarily help them.
Wulfer
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OokieSpookie said:
Speaker
Now, if I was a betting man that one statement says we would like for sales to have determinded the way were headed but that's probably not going to happen and we have to change our strategy.
Where in that line does it show pro Blu-ray I'm curious because correct me if I'm wrong Blu-ray is leading in sales? Right?
That's certainly not a pro Blu-ray statement! I think you can follow that and as for this change of heart I don't see it!
That said I believe like many of you that WB may stay neutral and they're pushing their pay out higher with each PR.
ChrisJames
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So is there a time and date set for a Warner conference or is this all speculation?
Sad face because I know Fox is worried about piracy on HD media.bune duggy said:you call that slanted? it's exactly what he said. what's slanted about it?
It's what caused their original delay on BD support.
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Unless Warner is offered some ridiculous sum of money (dwarfing :aramount's alleged 150 mil) I think they will wait to see how the holidays pan out before announcing exclusivity one way or another.
On another note did anyone pick up the spike lee movie that came last Tuesday? Inside Man I think is the title.
On another note did anyone pick up the spike lee movie that came last Tuesday? Inside Man I think is the title.
Here's the answer to all our problems in the format war.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/30/circuit-city-lists-lgs-bh200-combo-hd-dvd-blu-ray-combo-at-7/
Circuit City lists LG's BH200 combo HD DVD / Blu-ray combo at $799
http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/30/circuit-city-lists-lgs-bh200-combo-hd-dvd-blu-ray-combo-at-7/
Circuit City lists LG's BH200 combo HD DVD / Blu-ray combo at $799
Even though it would be a big plus for Blu-ray (the side I'm hoping wins), if Warner were to suddenly announce that they were going Blu-ray only, they really should still release all of the HD-DVDs that they've announced for this year. When Paramount did what they did, that was a really shitty move, so at least let the HD-DVD folks count on the titles that they were promised.
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KBox said:
Is that the gimped player? The one that doesnt support all hd dvd features? Cause if it's not gimped that is really tempting price.
Wulfer
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Someone think's something big is up!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=930349
Yea yea it's from AVS so sue me! First the poster is a long time poster and not a new member!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=930349
Yea yea it's from AVS so sue me! First the poster is a long time poster and not a new member!
Christoff Yurievich
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in-store as it's listed in their ad.Crisis said:
WULFER said:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Fox_Promises_Expanded_Blu-ray_Support_in_2008/1119
100 new fox BDs in 2008. Day-and-date releases with new DVDs.
Meanwhile, Weinstein "arent commenting on [their] High-Def plans" and haven't released an hd-dvd in months.
VanMardigan
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Oni Jazar said:
Yeah, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the marketplace will be completely changed and Fox/Disney would then likely be neutral by next year. This is THE biggest HD movie studio out there right now. With THE biggest catalog of titles, PLUS all the New Line stuff (LOTR).
Warner going to either side won't kill the other side, but it will definitely define the battle for the next year and beyond. I think we may be past the point of a short-term winner (meaning in the next year), but Warner's move will definitely signal either Blu Ray crushing HD DVD sales by a factor greater than the current 2-1 or HD DVD pulling ahead in software sales during the next year and (considering their standalone lead) putting HD DVD in the driver's seat next year. Basically HD DVD will be in software next year were Blu Ray is now if Warner goes HD DVD. And if Warner goes Blu, then expect 3-1 and 4-1 ratios until Toshiba throws in the towel.
I'm sure that's your view as a Blu Ray supporter, but if you think having Warner, Paramount, and Universal exclusive is "even quality libraries" you're off your damn rocker. Take your blinders off.
So how bout those movies? I hear theres some little unknown comic book movie out today i think spider something?
Idunno about the rest of you but i have bought 13 blu-rays in the past few weeks. Many people said they werent buying stuff because of paramount and uncertainty about this crap. Personally i wasnt buying anything becuase there was hardly anything i wanted, until these past few weeks.
Idunno about the rest of you but i have bought 13 blu-rays in the past few weeks. Many people said they werent buying stuff because of paramount and uncertainty about this crap. Personally i wasnt buying anything becuase there was hardly anything i wanted, until these past few weeks.
VanMardigan said:
Problem is, Fox has a history of not giving a crap about logic and doing their own thing (supporting Divx over DVD initially, then dragging their feet in getting into DVD after Divx died), and Disney is usually not much better. If Warner goes HD-DVD, I would honestly not be surprised if both Fox and Disney decided to stick with Blu-ray for as long as they possibly could; and, at that point, as theBishop said, both formats could be stuck being nothing more than niche products.
If Warner goes HD-DVD, and it's really over for Blu-ray, then I hope Fox and Disney go as well ASAP. I have no confidence in them doing so, though, if you look at how those two companies usually act.
God, come on - it has nothing to do with blinders. Paramount + Universal + Warner vs. Sony + Disney + Fox. Disney is huge, Fox is mega huge, and Sony is probably the weakest of all of those, but they still have a decent catalog. It'd be enough of a split to possibly create a stalemate.
All preference for format aside, looking at things as a general consumer, there are a few things I really want from the HD-DVD side (Dawn of the Dead 2004, Army of Darkness, Batman Begins, a couple others), but the number of titles that I absolutely need isn't huge. Looking at what I "need" from the Blu-ray side, if Warner went HD-DVD, my purchasing interests would pretty much be split between the two formats evenly. I'd then either need both, or none, and I've long said that there's no way I'm going dual format: either I have one, or I have none. I'm sure a lot of your "average" consumers are the same way.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
shidoshi said:
Fox has made some inflammatory statements, so I agree they'll probably stick around with Blu for at least another 18 months or so if Warner goes HD DVD (if for no other reason than to save face). Disney, on the other hand, has worked on HD DVD technology (HDi), is currently working with Microsoft on their HD encodes, and may be more willing to take a softer stance (neutral) by the end of next year or so. This is all speculation, of course, because those wishing for a swift end to this are not being realistic.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The catalog disparity between the two would be huge. The BDA companies had a big box office year, but Paramount/Dreamworks, Universal, and WB/New Line absolutely dwarf the BDA companies in terms of content. No comparison, and it's not an opinion based on what movies you personally like or don't like.
VanMardigan said:
Except the marketplace will not be significantly changed. PS3 remains by far the top-selling HD-player. Standalone sales are essentially even. I'm sure the new $200 Toshiba player would make a difference, but can't compare to PS3.
So software sales are going to be dominated by Blu-Ray for the foreseeable future. Fox and Disney aren't going to have a monetary reason to change sides just because Warner moves over to HD-DVD. It'll take a while even for $200 standalone HD-DVD players to reach parity with Blu-ray software sales.
Consumers and especially retailers won't put up with it. Brick-and-mortar stores will put their foot down, and HD discs will only be widely available online, thus ending the "format war " for good.
WULFER said:
Well, they did show their first Blu-Ray disc featuring PIP:
http://www.tvpredictions.com/blupicture103007.htm
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
theBishop said:
Now I KNOW you're off your damn rocker. The studio with the largest HD marketshare AND the largest catalog of titles wouldn't change the marketplace by pulling their releases from BR?
You list a bunch of short term scenarios, but WB/New Line going exclusive to EITHER side, just like the Paramount announcements, is about more than just the short term (this holiday season).
VanMardigan said:
WB going HD-DVD exclusive isn't going to balance the MASSIVE hardware disparity. Unless you're one of those who thinks PS3 doesn't exist, Blu-Ray discs are going to continue to outsell HD-DVD discs regardless of your opinion about library quality.
Its funny that you refer to my "short term scenarios" and then categorize the Paramount deal as "more than just short term". Last I heard, it was an 18-month deal with plenty of loopholes.
OokieSpookie
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WULFER said:
For fuck sake, they have put out more than any other studio short of Universal by the end of this year.
All of the harping on Fox is about two or three months late unless there is some eye condition that keeps people from seeing upcoming release lists.
VanMardigan said:
But to be fair, are those big back catalogs going to matter for the next couple of years? Look how long it took for back catalogs to really be put to use for DVD; as the format was getting going, it was new releases with a smattering of back titles that were big-name stuff.
Unless the HD-DVD companies busted their ass to flood store shelves with back catalog stuff, if the Blu-ray side really pumped out the new releases day and date with DVD, they could continue giving the impression that the format is just as strong as HD-DVD is. They would have a very low chance to win at that point, but I certainly think they could cause a stalemate.
How many people keep saying "I don't want to re-buy titles I have on DVD, but I'll buy new stuff on HD when it comes out"? The battle for now, in my opinion, is around new content, and even with Warner gone, the Blu side could (if they wanted) keep up enough to make things messy.
Savvy purchasers will know that the best sense would be to go HD-DVD, but Joe Average walking into Best Buy could look at both formats, see how new stuff coming out on both, and decide to go for neither.
NekoFever
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I just can't see Warner going neutral unless someone moneyhats them. 300 has been their biggest seller and the biggest overall HD seller. It sold somewhere around the 300k mark with Blu-ray 2:1 ahead, which means that to drop either format the figures go even lower. Next to the millions that it must have sold on DVD 300k is shit, and either 100k or 200k is even worse.
Apart from Sony because they obviously have a vested interest and are getting their cut from every BD sold, Warner seems to the only studio that's really doing reasonable business in HD. They drop back with everyone else if they stop being neutral unless, like I said, someone crosses their palms with enough silver to make it worth their while.
Apart from Sony because they obviously have a vested interest and are getting their cut from every BD sold, Warner seems to the only studio that's really doing reasonable business in HD. They drop back with everyone else if they stop being neutral unless, like I said, someone crosses their palms with enough silver to make it worth their while.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
theBishop said:
1. That "massive" hardware disparity has produced a 65-35 edge. Of that "65", a third of that or greater is WB movies. Meanwhile, if you count the Ps3, it's what, a 90/10 edge in terms of players? Funny how that hasn't panned out into a parallel software lead. Yet, even after losing their best selling studio, and even through the effect that will have on HD DVD standalone sales in addition to their lower price, your magic 8ball says software sales remain the same? laughable at best.
2. 18 months is long term when compared to your previous scenarios basically just talking about this holiday season. No Paramount movies on Blu Ray until 2009 (outside of a Spielberg one IF he decides to release and IF that loophole holds). Yeah, I think that's enough to have an impact on the marketplace, and especially so if we are continuing our scenario where WB goes HD DVD exclusive.
3. It's not a "quality" of library argument, it's a "quantity AND quality" argument. IF WB/New Line go exclusive to either side, the content disparity (irregardless of personal preference) will be HUGE.
sonycowboy
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VanMardigan said:
Sony + MGM accounts for 50% of all recorded movies out there so from a technical point, you're wrong. That being said, a huge portion of that is pre 1970, which doesn't tend to tear up the charts in terms of sales.
If Warner were to go HD-DVD exclusive, I don't see Disney being able to hold out that long. The sales are small enough that it wouldn't hurt sales per se, but most of the movie studios would just prefer to see a single winner to allow them to focus consumer attention on that format so these physical formats aren't completely stillborn.
Well since no one seems to want to talk about anything except Warner and ifs and buts(candies and nuts) and hypothetical future predicting. I'll see ya'll tomorrow after either nothing happens or Warner does something.
I think i know why DJK doesnt post in here much anymore.
I think i know why DJK doesnt post in here much anymore.
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theBishop said:
Reading comprehension ftl. No where did he say it would end the format wars. However it does give peace of mind as you no longer have to worry about who wins. So it does solve 'our problems' in that regard.
I can only see a Warner announcement making a big impact for the Blu-Ray camp.
Warner has already shown their preference for HD-DVD the past year. Where is my Batman Begins or V for Vendetta on Blu-Ray? Warner might as well be HD-DVD exclusive.
But if Warner pledged exclusive blu-ray support that would turn the tides significantly in Blu-Ray's favor. It would be the final nail in the coffin for HD-DVD as far as I'm concerned.
Warner has already shown their preference for HD-DVD the past year. Where is my Batman Begins or V for Vendetta on Blu-Ray? Warner might as well be HD-DVD exclusive.
But if Warner pledged exclusive blu-ray support that would turn the tides significantly in Blu-Ray's favor. It would be the final nail in the coffin for HD-DVD as far as I'm concerned.
Days like these... said:
I think you misinterpreted both posts.
He said the hybrid player is "the answer to all our problems in the format war".
Our "problem" with the format war is the format war. I'd rather see HD-DVD win than have two incompatible formats slumping along, with retailers stocking both of them.
If everybody buys hybrid players, the war will never end (see: DVD+/-R).
Ignatz Mouse
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I find it amusing that we're arguing over the impact WB would having going neutral. Not that the arguments aren't somewhat reasoned, just that's it's over a hypothetical case, and with no real data to inform it (ie, what kinds of deal WB is being offered).
Anyway, the personal impact of a WB announcemnt for me:
Pro-Blu: nada
Pro-Hd-DVD: I shop around for a reasonable player.
Anyway, the personal impact of a WB announcemnt for me:
Pro-Blu: nada
Pro-Hd-DVD: I shop around for a reasonable player.
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