Spyder_Monkey
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I wonder if Nintendo's going to C&D this.
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How 'The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild' Was Almost Instantly Emulated for PC
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Lister
Banned
Huh? CEMU is pretty efficient. This guy can ru MArio KArt at 60 FPS on an i5 and 7800 series GPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj6CvYsFwSM
Jawbreaker
Member
Better than how it runs on consoles, at least.
They can't; emulators are legal.
Lister
Banned
I don't think they'd have a legal leg to stand on, unless they are distributing WiiU software with CEMU, which they aren't AFAIK.
RazorbackDB
Member
I wasn't calling the OP on it, title is the same on motherboard, also I'm sure the author went and checked the real video https://streamable.com/vm3ju instead of just doing a quick youtube search and choosing one with a magically modified CEMU which is closed source and on top of that with a bunch of pirated games https://youtu.be/N6WNa-PG0mc?t=19. Sarcasm BTW.
PeterVenkman
Member
Currently playing on Wii U. A resolution boost and solid frame rate would help this game immensely.
LordRaptor
Member
It's still not a super great idea to be making a closed source, for profit, emulator capable of running high profile contemporary games as I'm sure the Connectix VGS or bleem! authors would attest.
e:
also not sure mainstream media painting a giant target on the authors back by bringing it to mainstream attention is a super good idea either
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
They aren't illegal but considering people use them for piracy, and they have versions of Zelda and Mario Kart and maybe other Wii U ports that are now going to directly compete with better looking and free software I don't think the case would be as open and shut as you think. Also they're making money off of it, that's never a good idea.
| Praxis |
Banned
I will play it now on the Switch and in a year or two (when they have ironed out all of the bugs) I will play it again in 4K.
The game runs like shit with terrible IQ on WiiU.
I hope the emulated version surpasses it as fast as possible.
the 60fps hack for sonic colours is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmZorZXiFY
its not that bad :/ it most certainly isn't £280 better on a switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmZorZXiFY
its not that bad :/ it most certainly isn't £280 better on a switch
Ehhhhhh.
8k a month split between two people is $48K a year each, pre-tax. Patreon probably gets a cut of that too. That's nothing to sneeze at, but with decent software development skills, which these guys have, they could be making double that pretty much anywhere, with benefits on top.
Now, they get to work on something they enjoy doing, self-directed, and make scratch to keep a roof over their head besides, and that's not nothing, but it's not a retirement plan either.
papercan55
Member
Most of time this is true.
But with CEMU they are profiting from it, and they are getting a lot of donations regularly.
Nintendo would usually have a hard time legally, but when people are profiting from it then it's a different matter i think.
Still looking forward to seeing zelda running how it deserves.
LordOfChaos
Member
You really can't C&D an emulator.
They would if they could. I feel like Nintendo would've be all over that for the past dozen emulators.
"Devastated"
BTW, I played Skyward Sword in 1080p in Dolphin on the day it came out. And the game could be completed without issue.
Lister
Banned
I don't think that's true. Emulators are legal, makign money off of emulator work is NOT illegal. Now is it actionable in terms of a lawsuit? I dont think that's going to work well. It would be a slam dunk if they were distributing games, but they aren't.
If anything this should show, woudl show, any savvy company, that there is a market for their games outside their hardware ecosystem that is ripe for exploring.
If Nintendo came out wih their own software store on PC with reasonable prices (don't try to sell me the original zelda for $60), I know I and a LOT of PC gamers would be spending hundreds of dollars on their store.
Give me a Zelda collection + BOTW running at unlocked resolutions (where possible, obviously probably not earlier zeldas) and I'd spend $150 on that, no problem.
Emulators, given that Nintendo would never do that, are the enxt best thing, and they at least allow Nintendo to see some of my money. I have zero interest in a Switch, Would not ever pick one up. And the WiiU experience would be a poor one. Once CEMU has it runnig well they'll be seeing my $60 though.
SinCityAssassin
Member
I give this two months.
Just Google for "Bleem emulator". Sony has fought and lost that fight long ago. Emulators are just software, that you can sell. What you do with that software is your business.
Yeah, my bad.
Until it's playable or until it's perfect? Because I think the latter might take a bit longer.
Even if it's legal, lawsuit could easily kill developers with lawyer fees.
(like Bleem vs Sony)
No, it is open and shut just as it is for BitTorrent clients.
It's great that the game is somewhat running.
you mean Bleem!
Lister
Banned
Yeah but that was back when the quesiton was still being tested by the courts. This is now settled case law.
I would imagine the devs could secure pro-bono lawyers to take this on and have Nintendo on the hook for fees for a case they would almost certainly lose.
Chill Penguin
Member
Can someone explain how emulated games are legal? I understand it's not the same code, but it's still the same game. I can understand if it's meant for game preservation, but not for games still being sold on the market. How are games not protected by copyright laws?
Games are protected by copyright law.
What is absolutely legal is emulating a game that you legally own, because where is the copyright infringement supposed to occur there?
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
They are protected by copyright, and even ripping legally bought games is illegal in some countries.
But creating and even selling an emulator to play said ripped copies is not illegal.
The CEMU dev's estimate was 2-4 until it's fully playable. (not perfect)
I'd love to read an article/see a video comparison one day.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Ripping games is not legal in every country. I don't think it is in Germany.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Bleem was never intended to be used for piracy though.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Don't think it is in the UK either IIRC.
Thing is Nintendo would only have a cause of action against each individual ripper of a legally purchased copy. Which they would never bother doing.
Dear God.
HappehLemons
Member
When Zelda OOT came out, the same exact thing happened. I don't see why everyone is getting up in arms about this.
Did they ever get it to work flawlessly without the music dropping every 5 mins?
Because in order to get the game, you need the physical copy, unless you go online and pirate it. Most emulators (such as CEMU) provides a guide on how to get a game working using an app on the Wii U, which is required to get the ROM file to run the game. There are places to pirate these ROM files, but that's just as illegal as stealing the physical game from a store or pirating any other game. There is no legal difference between playing Mario Kart on the Wii U and playing the same Mario Kart on an emulator, since you had to buy the game from Nintendo either way.
Suggesting that CEMU is? You are insulting the dev and every legitimate user of it. Piracy will always exist on PC, just as it exists for PC games. It's existence does not make everyone on the platform a criminal, nor deserving of being accused as such.
Lister
Banned
Neither is CEMU.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
1. Theft and piracy are certainly not treated in the same way in most countries. In most (common law) countries theft is a criminal offence whereas acts of piracy such as described here are a civil offence.
2. As I mentioned above, ripping the code from a purchased copy isn't legal in all countries.
the wiiU is at PSP levels of piracy right now, and as stated the game was on torrent sites even before it came out
By this time the WiiU version will be oop
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Like taking down Dolphin or SNES9x would be ridiculous because those on old consoles that are done for free but with CEMU, you have it running software that is directly competing with games that are still or directly released on the market that anybody can get for free because nowhere are they saying "Please Support the Official Release" in a clear and obvious spot and they're making money off of it. No one has gone after emulators since Sony (which that alone destroyed Bleem and the like) because most emulators are either based off of old hardware or don't run games very well. Normally I agree with that your sentiment and I use emulators all the time but I don't think Nintendo's going to take this lying down especially with their recent track record of taking down fan games and the like.
Except Bleem explicitly states that you use PS1 discs.
LordRaptor
Member
bleem! was settled case law (Sony vs Connectix) when the suit against bleem! was filed.
they weren't litigating because they had a genuine belief that case law stood on their side (because it didn't).
They were litigating to destroy it as a product and put its makers out of business.
It worked.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Yeah, you should get a Wii U copy now, I don't think it will be easy to get in the future.
You can play Super Mario Sunshine at 60 FPS via Dolphin. It's a bit of a hack job but it works real well. Hugely dependant on the games themselves, but it is a possibility.
simatron3000
Member
I've 100% completed galaxy 1+2 and both work perfectly, music included. Metroid prime trilogy is probably the game that runs least well for me, though I'm not sure if that's because the game is building the shader cache (think that's the right terminology) when you enter new areas. (980ti + 4790k @ 4.5ghz)
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