-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Hubris and Bullshit: Modern Warfare 2 PC will not allow dedicated servers.
- Thread starter dLMN8R
- Start date
Archie said:Apparently you can mod the game to display actual pings now
Does anyone want to guess who is hosting?
My god, what are those? Numbers?
Sorry, but this is far too confusing to read and understand. I require highly inexact colored bars to show me my latency. It's like a terror alert - I know that if it's green it's a-okay, and if it's red then maybe things are getting a little scary.
Masta_Killah said:
You're okay with pings up to 200? We were getting 200 pings with dial-up last decade.
With today's connection speeds, nobody should be happy playing on a server in their general vicinity where they're pinging any more than 100, and even that is something I'd consider very high. I ping like that playing in Europe or the west coast.
Teknopathetic
Member
I haven't willingly played in a server with a ping over 80ms since I was on dialup playing Tribes and UT99.
Someone mentioned Bungie on the last page, and while we're on the topic of Hubris and Bullshit in the MP realm, what the fuck happened with Firefight on ODST? Where was the Hubris and Bullshit thread about that? I heard about 'no matchmaking' and thought it meant it just randomly matched you with players, never fathoming the main online mode for a full retail game would really be invite only. Completely broke the game for me. Did I miss the vocal outrage for this? I read a few posts, but considering how pissed I was I'm surprised it didn't get the exposure this is getting. IMHO, it's a worse offense.
Anyhow, my dad is 59 years old and really loves shooting non-Americans and aliens/monsters on his computer. Been playing MOH and COD for as long as they've been around. Ironically this is the only version he's been able to play MP. Yes he's a dumbass if it relates to anything electronic, and I don't think that's the demographic IW was going for.
I did run a few matches when I was over there. Had some serious lag from the get go. Not crazy lag, but like a shitty XBL connection. Not what I want out of a PC game. Plus, the one benefit I thought we might get out of the situation was less cheaters. Since COD has that level-up system with the upgrades and all it can really make grinding feel worthless when everyone else is just editing a file. I came across two supposed level 70 10th prestige guys while I was on. Out scored them both times. lol What a bunch of crap.
Anyhow, my dad is 59 years old and really loves shooting non-Americans and aliens/monsters on his computer. Been playing MOH and COD for as long as they've been around. Ironically this is the only version he's been able to play MP. Yes he's a dumbass if it relates to anything electronic, and I don't think that's the demographic IW was going for.
I did run a few matches when I was over there. Had some serious lag from the get go. Not crazy lag, but like a shitty XBL connection. Not what I want out of a PC game. Plus, the one benefit I thought we might get out of the situation was less cheaters. Since COD has that level-up system with the upgrades and all it can really make grinding feel worthless when everyone else is just editing a file. I came across two supposed level 70 10th prestige guys while I was on. Out scored them both times. lol What a bunch of crap.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
They didn't edit local PC files, but what they did do was play on hacked servers that gave shitloads of XP per kill which were still counted as "authentic" by IW.NET and, thus, allowed to count towards their advancement.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Masta_Killah said:
What kind of connection/where are you guys from? Mine is 30 on average when I play online. 200 is ridiculous. I think it's interesting too that people so strongly defending IW are playing in 200 ping servers on purpose with a server list.
speculawyer
Member
I'm pretty casual and my tolerance is at max 120-150, and even that's only with L4D where high ping is an unfortunate fact of life. At that point there will almost always be slowdown and lag spikes. Beyond that are conditions leaving and going somewhere else.
With my other online FP shooters, 50-70 is the usual cap.
With my other online FP shooters, 50-70 is the usual cap.
Masta_Killah said:
Played a lot of TF2 on US servers with Gaffers as european player. My experience is above 100 you don't really play anymore, the game plays for you. I mean sniping around corners is fun, but it is not really fair. And the things I stabbed with the Spy, maaaaaan, that was just plain out cheating. :lol
VibratingDonkey
Member
Anyone able to verify this latest nonsense?
bloodydrake
Cool Smoke Luke
VibratingDonkey said:
makes sense..
128k key unlock DLC incoming in 5...4...3...2..1
Jesus christ, how can you play at a 200 ping? That is like sending updates in the mail.
<60 is good to me; 60-80 can mean the difference of a few kills easily in a game like CS; anything over 80 is really noticeable the entire time and will have a pretty big effect on your game.
<60 is good to me; 60-80 can mean the difference of a few kills easily in a game like CS; anything over 80 is really noticeable the entire time and will have a pretty big effect on your game.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
VibratingDonkey said:
oh shit round two....ding ding
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
120 ping is about the limit - if everyone else has a ping of 100-140. Having a ping of 120 when some other people have 50 and below is putting you at a technical disadvantage. Plus if you are on a decent connection but have pings that bad, then you may well start seeing packet loss, which will screw up your game regardless of your ping.
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
VibratingDonkey said:
It could just be a couple of playlists they havent put in yet, similar to what they did a few days after it came out.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
Ogs said:
Why withhold them?
DodgyGeezerFella
Member
BigNastyCurve said:
Not sure, i think its like how on Halo 3 they chop and change playlists depending on what people want. They might be holding these back for a bit.
Could also just be gamemodes they were developing but ended up being cut because they sucked or something.
Remains to be seen tbh, im not gonna get all hot and bothered about it like on the Steam forums.....
firehawk12
Subete no aware
kamspy said:
Yeah, there was a thread. I remember bitching it in quite a bit. :lol
There's also no matchmaking for Spec Ops as well, which is idiotic.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Because matchmaking is fundamentally flawed when it comes to small user bases and/or fragmented user bases. Halo 3 is the flagship, it gets all the users to maximize the smoothness of its multiplayer and to keep it close to the top of the MP charts.firehawk12 said:
poppabk said:
Wait, what? You are always at a techincal disadvantage if you're ping is >0 higher than someone else. :lol
Unless you meant practical of course, but I'd go as far as saying around a 5 ping difference matters then.
Or maybe that would be more dependant of your ping, it makes a difference when you have a low ping but when you have a ping around 100 it would probably be closer to +/-15 or 20.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Masta_Killah said:
200...:lol That's 56k connection shit right there.
You may as well be sending your data packets via carrier pidgeon.
Hmmm. IIRC in Q3A/UT I always tried to get ping to below 40. My early CS days saw me playing at around 120(?) on dialup, but that was detrimental to my experience, to put it diplomatically.
Mmmmmh. Delicious dedicated servers.
(To prevent a possible derail: It's past 1 a.m. here in Germany, so the local servers only house a handful of stragglers)
Mmmmmh. Delicious dedicated servers.
(To prevent a possible derail: It's past 1 a.m. here in Germany, so the local servers only house a handful of stragglers)
evil solrac v3.0
Member
I <3 Memes said:
but i need diablo 3 and starcraft 2
but im with you on the other stuff, i got 10 other games that i havent finished (LOL) and frankly MW2 is too short in the end to justify paying for it.
EmCeeGramr
Member
having tired of defending bad things, the warrior turns his attention to attacking good things
firehawk12 said:
But I knew that about Spec-ops. It was common knowledge. I mean, I keep up with gaming I'd like to think. I'm the mod for the gaming sub-forum of a very large A/V forum. I read this shit every day. Swear to god I had no idea until I tried to load up on day one.
Maybe it was the 'matchmaking' term. Being a PC gamer before I was a console gamer and hearing talk about Halo's awesome matchmaking and Gear's shitty matchmaking, I thought the term was only about pairing good players with tolerable ping. I thought surely any online mode could match you with the first available warm body. Guess not. And fuck Bungie for not making that glaringly clear. If I missed it, I can only imagine how many J6Ps missed it.
I had NO IDEA no matchmaking meant basically no fucking online play. Sure I had a handful of friends to play with. I got on the GAF firefight list. But there are times I want to load the game up and get straight into a full 4 player ff. After 6 weeks, the people on the GAF list were mostly gone and I was robbed of 75% of my game. I bought the damn thing for ff. co-op is my preferred method.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What I mean is that you are at a significant disadvantage that is purely technical.ksan said:
At 60fps a single frame is ~17 ms long, at 120fps its still 8ms, so unless you are playing on a super high end PC (or a low end game) in an ultra twitch shooter at the highest levels, you are going to need to be 20ms or so different to be at any measurable disadvantage.
Omi said:
1 <3 you. Definitely going to try that when I get home tonight.
CTLance said:
Not sure what you mean, but it's not the dedicated servers I have an issue with in L4D2 (in fact, I think this is how matchmaking games should be done), I have an issue with matchmaking giving me shitty servers. =\
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Why are the dedicated servers in l4d so poor? It seems no matter what it's always much higher than any other game. Are the servers just of lesser quality?