Arc07
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Ahh thanks. The 690 is sold out in the US but the 680 is avail. $50-80 more than most vendors but at least it's in stock.
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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Holy crap i thought i was gpu limited on a i7 930 @ 3.5 amd 7970. Bf3 is so much smoother on a 3770k. Pleasantly surprisedDidn't even fresh install!
Really?
What video card? I always feel like I'm GPU limited on my 930 @ 3.4. I have a OC'd 570 right now, and most the time my GPU utilization is at 99%, but my CPU usage is less than 70% on every core.
Another question for you all. When do I need to apply thermal paste? I'm getting another motherboard but will keep on using the same processor and heatsink.
Even if I have good temps and I'll just switch things from one board to the other do I need to apply it? Or is it only when you're having overheating issues or installing brand new stuff? Thanks in advance.
Even if I have good temps and I'll just switch things from one board to the other do I need to apply it? Or is it only when you're having overheating issues or installing brand new stuff? Thanks in advance.
scottXplosion
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Holy crap i thought i was gpu limited on a i7 930 @ 3.5 amd 7970. Bf3 is so much smoother on a 3770k. Pleasantly surprised
You shouldn't be anywhere close to being CPU limited in BF3 with an i7 930.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
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I thought the same thing but I was never able to run with HBAO and AA at max the way it's running now.
I didn't think going from a 930 to ivy bridge would make that big of a difference in gpu heavy games like bf3. It probably has to do with how intense multiplayer is. I do have faster ram and pcie 3.0 maybe that helps.
Deputy Moonman
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Definitely not as sleek or simple looking as the Fractal cases, but the Lian Li Lancool pc-k63 (people either like the look of it or hate it) has a nice set of features and moves a lot of air. And it's at a good price right now with promo code. Probably shouldn't be listed as a mid-tower though. It's a little bigger. I have the pc-k62 and would really like to switch to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112320&Tpk=lancool pc-k63
faceless007
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Is there any reason the Sandy Bridge overclocking guide linked in the OP couldn't also be used for IB?
Unknown Soldier
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I was ready and I had the cash saved up for an upgrade from my current i7-950@4.0 ghz box to Ivy Bridge. Now I'm not so sure, the money spent just doesn't seem worth it to me.
Maybe I'll buy a new laptop instead, my current one recently passed 3 years of service and I've dropped it a number of times. I actually pulled the optical drive out because it was so fucked from being dropped and would lock the machine on wakeup from sleep.
Is there a Laptop-GAF who can advise me on a new laptop? I really want an IPS screen in the 14-15" range with a decent resolution, if such a thing exists. Decent quality sound out of built-in speakers and good audio out of the headphone jack is a priority. HDMI output would be a plus as well.
Maybe I'll buy a new laptop instead, my current one recently passed 3 years of service and I've dropped it a number of times. I actually pulled the optical drive out because it was so fucked from being dropped and would lock the machine on wakeup from sleep.
Is there a Laptop-GAF who can advise me on a new laptop? I really want an IPS screen in the 14-15" range with a decent resolution, if such a thing exists. Decent quality sound out of built-in speakers and good audio out of the headphone jack is a priority. HDMI output would be a plus as well.
I'd slow down on that. SSDs lose performance and stability as you get them near capacity. Should have gotten a bigger one if you were planning on installing all your games to it.
e: by that I mean <5gb range.
If you can afford the extra outlay I'd go for the 7850 with a good cooler like the MSI ones and OC the hell out of it, beast of a card for the price.
It and the 670 are the two cards in their respective sweet points, hard to look past either (depending on budget of course).
Heh, wasn't ready to cough up like another $100+ for double the amount of memory. Don't think I'll get below the 5GB range, the last few games I want to get on there are actually pretty small.
I was actually surprised at how little space I really NEEDED when I installed my SSD. Most of the stuff that fills up a normal 1TB+ HDD is stuff you never use or just "archive" on there. Windows, all the necessary programs, and a couple of games, and I've still got ~60 GB free on my 128 GB drive.
Unknown Soldier
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Your average MMO is ~10-20GB in size. Install a few of those and you'll find yourself burning through HDD space like no tomorrow.
Yep. I'm banking on 256gb SSDs getting to the <$150 range by the end of the year when Windows 8 comes out so I can grab one of those and do a clean install onto W8. Will be using W8 CP/RC as my only OS though when I build with an HDD soon, since it's pointless for me to buy another W7 license and I want to sell this laptop.
I don't play MMOs so I wouldn't know. Perfectly happy with 120 GB for all my single player needs though.
Hey guys, if you were to upgrade 1-2 things in my PC what would they be?
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Processor @ 3.40 GHz
RAM: 8 GB (4x 2GB)
Video Card: eVGA GTX 460
PSU: Corsair VX 450W
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB
Case: Coolermaster Elite 330U
I mostly game - World of Warcraft, D3 next week. Planning to play Borderlands when it comes out.
I'm thinking just a RAM upgrade would suffice.
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Processor @ 3.40 GHz
RAM: 8 GB (4x 2GB)
Video Card: eVGA GTX 460
PSU: Corsair VX 450W
HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB
Case: Coolermaster Elite 330U
I mostly game - World of Warcraft, D3 next week. Planning to play Borderlands when it comes out.
I'm thinking just a RAM upgrade would suffice.
ShinOkazaki
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Ok GAF, I've decided to jump the fence and build myself a computer, and as soon as i manage to sell my mac pro I'll order the following pieces, would like some feedback about it.
Case: fractal Arc Midi
Motherboard: Asus P8z77-v
Processor: Intel i73770k
GPU: AMD 7950 3GB
Ram: corsair 16gb DDR3 1600Mhz-999 Vengeance
Cooling system: Corsair H100
Power Supply: Corair TX850
Thanks, and lots of love for this thread and the community that drives it, it's awesome and has helped me a lot
Case: fractal Arc Midi
Motherboard: Asus P8z77-v
Processor: Intel i73770k
GPU: AMD 7950 3GB
Ram: corsair 16gb DDR3 1600Mhz-999 Vengeance
Cooling system: Corsair H100
Power Supply: Corair TX850
Thanks, and lots of love for this thread and the community that drives it, it's awesome and has helped me a lot
For gaming? Adding more RAM is going to benefit you none. And I mean literally. On a scale of 0 to 1,000,000, it's going to provide 0.
So guys, I'm thinking of replacing the 6870 for the PC I'm building for a beefier 7850, now, I'm importing everything from the US, is there any reliable place online where I can buy the 7850 for under $250?, newegg is sold out and the ones on amazon are $260 and up from sellers :-/
Updated my post with links!
Cool, that's what I kind of figured. Does the motherboard I have now have what I need to be able to do such a thing?
Thanks for the tips! I think I'll go with EVGA just for ease of mind. Don't really mind spending the extra$ 20 for brand name.
I have a few other questions:
1. I know dmann recommended me to just get thermal paste, but I'm assuming this isn't a requirement (i.e. my desktop won't melt if I don't do it -- currently not planning to OC but may do so in the future)? It sure as hell looks like a simple enough process but I'm just a little hesitant in doing it myself I guess.
2. What about cooling? Will I need additional fans or the like? Or will I be fine with just buying the parts listed above?
3. What can I expect in terms of sound level/loudness? My current desktop really sounds like a plane taking off and I can pretty much hear it from the other end of the house whenever it's on.
Cool, that's what I kind of figured. Does the motherboard I have now have what I need to be able to do such a thing?
Thanks for the tips! I think I'll go with EVGA just for ease of mind. Don't really mind spending the extra$ 20 for brand name.
I think I'm gonna go with shinobi. I like the one you linked but I kinda want to take the minimalistic look a step further. My current desktop is pretty much a frankenstein (still love it though <3) so I want to do a complete 180 in terms of looks/design. Thanks for the suggestion anyways!
Could you check my current configuration and see if I would have the extra outlay?
I have a few other questions:
1. I know dmann recommended me to just get thermal paste, but I'm assuming this isn't a requirement (i.e. my desktop won't melt if I don't do it -- currently not planning to OC but may do so in the future)? It sure as hell looks like a simple enough process but I'm just a little hesitant in doing it myself I guess.
2. What about cooling? Will I need additional fans or the like? Or will I be fine with just buying the parts listed above?
3. What can I expect in terms of sound level/loudness? My current desktop really sounds like a plane taking off and I can pretty much hear it from the other end of the house whenever it's on.
Alright, I've finally got my specs set in stone.
The benches of the 670 at 2560 convinced me to go $100 over budget. Hopefully it just means I can go an extra year or two without upgrading the GPU, and do that when I do a full system upgrade.
Just buying everything in stages as money comes in, probably going to be a week or three until I'll actually be building
The benches of the 670 at 2560 convinced me to go $100 over budget. Hopefully it just means I can go an extra year or two without upgrading the GPU, and do that when I do a full system upgrade.
Just buying everything in stages as money comes in, probably going to be a week or three until I'll actually be building
Any particuliar reason you can't do 260?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...C-Froogle-_-Video+Cards-_-GIGABYTE-_-14125419
You could easily sell that Dirt Showdown coupon to get that money back.
Otherwise, Provantage has one for 244.xxx
http://www.provantage.com/sapphire-technology-11200-20g~7SAPP06N.htm
I don't vouch for the guys, but I do think I've ordered once or twice without issues.
At the minute you're $347.28 under your $1000 budget so a 7850 is easily attainable.
I've no real idea what the prices are like over there in the US but as a direct comparison this is £40 less than I paid here for my 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127663&Tpk=msi 7850
Unfortunate that one is out of stock as I'm very, very pleased with my TFIII one. The Asus and Sapphire ones are OoS too annoyingly and I don't really know much about the rest with regards to how good they are.
The HIS one seems pretty cheap at $220 after rebate so could be worth a serious look although I don't know much about them as a brand with regards to reliability etc.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161406
does the brand really matter? I mean, I don't mind getting a gygabyte instead of a saphire if it is the same thing.
My old 8800GT was a Gigabyte and it left me with a good impression when it came to Gigabyte and GPUs. I certainly wouldn't have issues with purchasing another Gigabyte branded GPU.
Ok, it's time for a new processor and Mobo as I have come to a situation where i need to sell the old one to a friend asap. Now, I would like an upgrade from what I have Phenom II x4 925 O.C. at 3.4ghz. I would really like to find a used i5-2500k for under 160 bucks, but It seems i've been unable to and this needs to happen by tuesday. So, I'm wondering now, with O.C. included, would it be a better upgrade from what I have to go with the FX-8120 over an i3?
I'm about to pull the trigger on this combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157280
for the price, is there anything better(needs to have crossfire support as well)? Keep in mind, it would have to out perform my PII 925.
Also, what's a good price for the old CPU and mobo combo? The mobo is an msi 770g45. I told him maybe 75 and he seems ok with it, however, he's desperate for a cheap combo.
Edit: sorry forgot to include budget, I'd like to stay under 250 bucks total.
I'm about to pull the trigger on this combo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157280
for the price, is there anything better(needs to have crossfire support as well)? Keep in mind, it would have to out perform my PII 925.
Also, what's a good price for the old CPU and mobo combo? The mobo is an msi 770g45. I told him maybe 75 and he seems ok with it, however, he's desperate for a cheap combo.
Edit: sorry forgot to include budget, I'd like to stay under 250 bucks total.
If you need to RMA something it will.
Brand does matter when it comes to RMA, for sure. ( This chart is EU focused )
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18231329
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18231329
TheThunder
Member
Ok GAF, I've decided to jump the fence and build myself a computer, and as soon as i manage to sell my mac pro I'll order the following pieces, would like some feedback about it.
Case: fractal Arc Midi
Motherboard: Asus P8z77-v
Processor: Intel i73770k
GPU: AMD 7950 3GB
Ram: corsair 16gb DDR3 1600Mhz-999 Vengeance
Cooling system: Corsair H100
Power Supply: Corair TX850
Thanks, and lots of love for this thread and the community that drives it, it's awesome and has helped me a lot
I would go for the Geforce GTX 670 instead of the 7950 since they are at same price but the 670 easily outclasses it.
jackpottest
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Hi guys, want to say thanks to everyone in this thread, particularly Hazaro and mkenyon. I wouldn't have been able to build this new computer without the help I had here. I absolutely love my new computer, it is ultrasilent (my old box was LOUD) and really fast.
Some final questions:
edit: Motherboard is an ASUS P8Z77-V LK
Some final questions:
- When I first powered on the machine after booting it, there was some message like 'first time running a new CPU, please press F1 to enter setup'). At that time, I just powered off until the next morning...I was simply testing to see if I did everything right. But I never saw that message again. Did I miss an important step or nah? Guessing it was nothing vital.
- I don't see an option to go into the BIOS upon boot up, it just goes straight into XP within seconds. How I can get into the BIOS? Want to check some stuff.
edit: Motherboard is an ASUS P8Z77-V LK
Or the "Delete" button?
Once you power your computer on, hiit either button multiple times to ensure you go into bios. Each mobo is different.
He just posted about having to hit F1 to enter setup
jackpottest
Member
yeah I've tried spamming F1 to get in from the second I hit the power button and it just goes into the OS. Will try a few more times, maybe I'm not hitting it fast enough. haha
As mentioned though, try delete as well.
I'm hoping to do a build around the 670 in the next month or so. I'm looking for CPU recommendations. Will it be bottlenecked in any way by something like the 2500k? I'm trying to stay close to the $1k mark (if possible).
edit: I've noticed newegg has some ok-looking deals for bundles of parts that exclude a gpu, letting you pick your own. This is new to me, are these things ever any good or should I get my parts individually? It's been quite a few years since I last built a PC so I'm way out of the loop.
edit: I've noticed newegg has some ok-looking deals for bundles of parts that exclude a gpu, letting you pick your own. This is new to me, are these things ever any good or should I get my parts individually? It's been quite a few years since I last built a PC so I'm way out of the loop.
Having a bit of trouble OCing. I have the CPU voltage set in the motherboard at 1.25, but CPU-z is reporting 1.31-1.35.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=untitledb0dqn.png
Followed the OP guide. I have the P8Z68-V LX mobo, so I'm assuming that's why the BIOS interface looks slightly different from the guide's. Everything is stable, just don't know why the report is off from the CPU voltage value in the BIOS.
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=untitledb0dqn.png
Followed the OP guide. I have the P8Z68-V LX mobo, so I'm assuming that's why the BIOS interface looks slightly different from the guide's. Everything is stable, just don't know why the report is off from the CPU voltage value in the BIOS.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
Hey GAF, just wanted to pop in and get some feedback. Been a PC gamer for a while but mostly operated on hand-me-downs and dell factory computers. This will be the first time I've built a PC and I'm pretty excited to see what kind of performance I can get with a custom build. Thank you Hazaro and mkenyon and everyone else who helped put together an excellent thread and support guide, it's really appreciated.
Here's my answer to the basic questions:
Here are the parts I've picked out so far.
First off, let me know if anything jumps out at you as being a bad choice or you think could be upgraded or switched out for something better. Here are my specific questions:
1) I already have a hard drive and an external HD that I'll use for my gaming installs and music and such. Thusly I went for a SSD as I've heard that SSD is good to keep for your operating system as it lasts longer and can have better load times. Is that true and/or a sound investment? Also what should I install on the SSD and what to relegate to the regular HD?
2) I picked that monitor mostly due to the price and it is quite variable. Anyone have a recommendation for a 20 or 24"? I don't mind going slightly over-budget in that category as it's fairly important.
3) I'm a bit anxious about the assembly. I've never built a computer before and the most maintenance I ever did was switching out the hard drive and undervolting my laptop. Since this is my first go and I'm spending a good deal of money, I'm worried about screwing up. I recently moved back to the states so I don't have any computer minded friends to help me out. Should I take the parts to a shop? Are there places that aid with assembly? Or just give it a go myself?
Once again, thanks for your time guys.
Here's my answer to the basic questions:
Here are the parts I've picked out so far.
First off, let me know if anything jumps out at you as being a bad choice or you think could be upgraded or switched out for something better. Here are my specific questions:
1) I already have a hard drive and an external HD that I'll use for my gaming installs and music and such. Thusly I went for a SSD as I've heard that SSD is good to keep for your operating system as it lasts longer and can have better load times. Is that true and/or a sound investment? Also what should I install on the SSD and what to relegate to the regular HD?
2) I picked that monitor mostly due to the price and it is quite variable. Anyone have a recommendation for a 20 or 24"? I don't mind going slightly over-budget in that category as it's fairly important.
3) I'm a bit anxious about the assembly. I've never built a computer before and the most maintenance I ever did was switching out the hard drive and undervolting my laptop. Since this is my first go and I'm spending a good deal of money, I'm worried about screwing up. I recently moved back to the states so I don't have any computer minded friends to help me out. Should I take the parts to a shop? Are there places that aid with assembly? Or just give it a go myself?
Once again, thanks for your time guys.
See above in bold.
ShinOkazaki
Member
Unfortunately that's the only piece I've already got, but on the other hand I got it as a gift, so I'm not gonna complain
Thanks for the advice tho
Anyone interested in a 1250w 80+ certified PSU? Its not been used, but the box is open. Originally planned on using it for a big budget build, but after getting as far as the case and motherboard, I decided I needed the cash more (and my current PC was more than enough for now).
If interested, just shoot me a PM with an offer. I'm REALLY flexible here.
If interested, just shoot me a PM with an offer. I'm REALLY flexible here.
So, any PSU recomendations for this build?
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
GIGABYTE GV-R785OC-2GD Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
And, based on your experiences with newegg, do they send everything in different packages or they at least try to ship some thing together?, I'm importing, so this is important to me.
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
GIGABYTE GV-R785OC-2GD Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
And, based on your experiences with newegg, do they send everything in different packages or they at least try to ship some thing together?, I'm importing, so this is important to me.
Lizard with a ladder
learnin' with the blacks!
Build looks good.
1) You definitely want to install your operating system on your SSD. Booting up your pc in about 10 seconds is awesome.
2) The monitor you picked out is alright for a budget build. I'm a bit biased towards Asus though. They have decent monitors for around the price you're looking to pay.
3) Just stop worrying about it man. I was just as nervous with my first build. Once you build it though, you'll feel good about doing it on your own and wonder what the hell you were so worried about. It's really a simple process, as long as you can follow directions. Remember to check out some of the videos in the OP if you're feeling uncomfortable building your pc.
Yes, they often do. You'll have to check up to date reviews to see if they're any good. I read that the latest paste in the 212+ isn't that great. MX-4 or Noctua thermal paste is a good choice.
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