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//: IEM Season VIII: Cologne StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm
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AdventureRacing
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There are a few things that are making the matchup slightly imbalanced (even slight imbalances can have a big impact). It's embarrassing the way people talk about the matchup.
Protoss is favored and changes are needed but it's not even close to as bad as you and everyone else is implying.
There are a few things that are making the matchup slightly imbalanced (even slight imbalances can have a big impact). It's embarrassing the way people talk about the matchup.
Protoss is favored and changes are needed but it's not even close to as bad as you and everyone else is implying.
My point is toss can play different styles against terrans while terrans are stuck with bio
AdventureRacing
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I don't see what that has to do with the discussion i was having? Sure i'd like to see terran have more options in particular i'd like to see stronger mech play (hopefully the widow mine helps encourage this) but it's not relevant to what we were talking about.
Edit: Also toss plays different styles early game but late game essentially toss always ends up with the same army.
Balanced or imbalanced matchup... whatever. I just want to know why protoss have ready access to so many storms when ever other attack advantage comes with weaknesses. Even the incredible power of stim damages the units that do it. It just seems a lot like fungal growth to me before that was made into a projectile, adding a little extra skill needed to make it balanced.
AdventureRacing
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The disadvantage is that if you get your high templar sniped or EMP'd your army turns into paper. I want to see the protoss race changed but my suggestions would center around the MSC, sentry, oracle, voidray and collosus. I'd also look into giving terran more options to deal with storm (like buffing ghosts which they're looking into).
AdventureRacing
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If Jjakji wins that means polt automatically gets a spot so i'm rooting for Jjakji.
The Moebius Reactor removal update is already in there. Polt was able to hang on and win on Frost because of it but it's not fair to say that Terran should easily be able to snipe/EMP HTs while also microing their bio army back. Meanwhile all Protoss have to do is 1-A their deathball while selecting HTs to land the most effective storms.
Wait... I don't follow. lol
Polt would still have to defeat jjakji in the semis to achieve a slot...
AdventureRacing
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I never said it's just easy to snipe/EMP all the HT's but you can stop them from landing 10 plus storms on your army without any threat whatsoever. Without collosus it's hard to deny EMP's/snipes from landing. It doesn't hard counter HT's but it shouldn't either. Point is you can't build a ghost acadamy against a player going pure templar then not even build ghosts and complain when you get hit by storms.
Also protoss don't just 1-a their death ball. Seriously if it was that easy and protoss are that powerful how have they ever lost a game? I don't buy the ridiculous argument that all protoss players are just terrible either (or that terrans are just better).
Hmm i was thinking a spot would go to each side so Polt would automatically get a spot if Jjaki got through. I guess if polt lost there would have to be a play off for the spot? Not sure how it would work.
Not sure why jjakji thought pulling SCVs vs 7 Colossi was a good idea.
Rain also took advantage of jjakji's poor unit positioning to dominate that engagement.
The way I understand it, if jjakji makes the finals here, there will be a third slot available through the 16-man open bracket that'll be held at Katowice before the main single-elimination bracket gets underway. Originally there was only supposed to be one slot awarded through that open bracket but because herO made the last two IEM finals, ESL's made two available already.
I would love for Rain to make the finals here so he can make it to the world championship because there is a chance he won't be invited to that open bracket and I'm almost 100% sure that Polt will be.
Rain also took advantage of jjakji's poor unit positioning to dominate that engagement.
The way I understand it, if jjakji makes the finals here, there will be a third slot available through the 16-man open bracket that'll be held at Katowice before the main single-elimination bracket gets underway. Originally there was only supposed to be one slot awarded through that open bracket but because herO made the last two IEM finals, ESL's made two available already.
I would love for Rain to make the finals here so he can make it to the world championship because there is a chance he won't be invited to that open bracket and I'm almost 100% sure that Polt will be.
AdventureRacing
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It's like rain knew what was coming. Building that colossi is pretty much always a bad idea unless the terran pulls a move like that.
Oh. I just assumed they would playoff between 3rd and 4th place and give them Jjakjis spot. That's pretty cool actually if 3 people get through.
I'm actually really glad that Blink + Time Warp onto all those Marines didn't work. jjakji was set up absolutely perfectly and got that really fast Stim.
He cranked so many of them out though. Like Kaelaris said, he must been chronoboosting the shit out of that Robo.
He cranked so many of them out though. Like Kaelaris said, he must been chronoboosting the shit out of that Robo.
AdventureRacing
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This series feels lower quality than the last one. I was expecting better.
He must have been but building 7+ collossi is kinda risky. You rarely see protoss go that high as it's unnecessary and can actually weaken your army.
He must have been but building 7+ collossi is kinda risky. You rarely see protoss go that high as it's unnecessary and can actually weaken your army.
jjakji using and abusing dat Polt style to absolutely dismantle Rain. Looks good for Polt if Rain advances. Usually Rain is way more prepared to deal with those kind of drops though. I used to always see HT in his main for Feedbacks.
Sick Snipes + EMPs by jjakji to close it out convincingly.
Yeah but I could see jjakji easily forcing a Game 5.
Sick Snipes + EMPs by jjakji to close it out convincingly.
Yeah but I could see jjakji easily forcing a Game 5.
AdventureRacing
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Rain has like 5 observers but is waiting for a cannon to take his 3rd, he's playing god awful here.
Edit: Come on that engagement was terrible. Come on Jjakji ;;.
Edit: Come on that engagement was terrible. Come on Jjakji ;;.
AdventureRacing
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Lol at losing a CC to a single zealot. God damn you'd think you were watching foreigners here.
AdventureRacing
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Seriously would be amazing. I'm a bit worried that both will miss out.
Are you suggesting that we may have a Patience vs HerO semifinal? Because I'm pretty sure that means I'm not long for this world.
if patience ruins one more tournament I'm gonna have to commit sudoku
AdventureRacing
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Patience has been looking damn good and inno has been struggling big time in TvP. I agree that would be terrible for us lol.
I love this
AdventureRacing
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Really fun game. Thought JD had thrown it but that was a great hold. Dem blinding clouds.
This really needs to be nerfed. As well as blinking and storms.
They really need to add a cap to the amount of units that can be recalled, maybe give an upgrade to increase it, or make that a Mothership thing.
The progression would feel better at least.
Crimsonlink
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I think people would hate toss less if not for the fact that the games really look unbalanced due to MSC and the power of Storm vs everything bio.
#TossHateGAF
Go JD! Bring it back!
I really need to catch these games. Didn't miss Innovation vs HerO thankfully.
Edit: DAMN! PWNED!
#TossHateGAF
Go JD! Bring it back!
I really need to catch these games. Didn't miss Innovation vs HerO thankfully.
Edit: DAMN! PWNED!
demosthenes
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JD JD JD
The design of the race is very obnoxious and has been since WoL. They have the easiest mechanics of all three races, and are able to completely violate a lot of established RTS norms (thanks warp ins!) that not only let them get away with things that are hard for other races to even fathom, but massively restrict map design because of their abilities like blink.
Crimsonlink
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Holy shit what a game! Great PvZ without SHs. Also fuck yeah JD! Beat Patience.
demosthenes
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Last 12 seconds of an upgrade is the best upgrade ever.
Crimsonlink
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Zen you trolling bro! lol
Anyways Innovation needs to make it happen and take out HerO.
Anyways Innovation needs to make it happen and take out HerO.
Nerd chills. C'mon INnoVation!