Sangetsu-II
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It's not really that hard to find, even Shu played a level they created https://youtu.be/QWgqm04c8Os?t=7m17s
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I'll give it to Sony, I would have axed Media Molecule/Dreams by now
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It's not really that hard to find, even Shu played a level they created https://youtu.be/QWgqm04c8Os?t=7m17s
StrongBlackVine
Banned
This is business not nostalgia or game preference.
A company that did that while making a ton of money in the process.
Maintenance
Member
Legit laughed out loud.
They haven't released a major title since 2011, and Dreams is commercially nonviable as far as I'm concerned. So they've been paying salaries for 6 years already, with practically no hope that the end result is going to earn back the amount of money spent on the studio. For 50 employees over 6 years, that's around $25 million.
I think the OP's question is very reasonable.
AlexFlame116
Member
Eek.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
"Free" publicity?
lmao a "second" chance. Is that after the motorstorm flub with the target render, the delay, and the horrible load time issues? Or how about motorstorm apocolypse and the whole debacle surrounding that. To top it off the driveclub disaster was a huge embarrasment with the game not working until about 4 months after it launched. They were given ample opportunity. Guerilla Cambridge on the other hand...
Their last major release was tearaway which massively under performed. I definitely don't see Dreams doing well. I think most people are aware it's more than likely going to tank.
PdotMichael
Banned
I want to see a sourcertain about the profit part for the GT series.
I'm the boss, I can do what I want.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Tearaway was aside project made by like 15 people for Vita. Hardly a "major" project. It was a flop, but honestly was much really expected?
You wouldn't last long.
Hey, I've got an idea. Let's save game developers' jobs across the board and pay them your salary so they can feed their families.
I don't know what kind of diabolical little shit you'd have to be to want to step into the leatherback chair of the guy who has to decide which studios to dissolve. There's a job in the Trump administration for you, I'm sure.
I don't know what kind of diabolical little shit you'd have to be to want to step into the leatherback chair of the guy who has to decide which studios to dissolve. There's a job in the Trump administration for you, I'm sure.
You can't be serious. Axe the geniuses that brought you LittleBigPlanet? Can't wait for Dreams to release to put shit like this to rest.
Literally no one in the industry can emulate the kinds of experiences that MM creates and when you're trying to differentiate yourself from your competitors, having MM in your back pocket gives you a huge leg up
Literally no one in the industry can emulate the kinds of experiences that MM creates and when you're trying to differentiate yourself from your competitors, having MM in your back pocket gives you a huge leg up
gundamkyoukai
Member
Well we still have to see how it really is.
Plus with good marketing they could do really well.
Tearaway unfolded was the side project. I could be wrong, but I thought tearaway was the full team. If it wasn't, then their last major release was what?
DriftingSpirit
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LittleBigPlanet 2.
MaximumSpider
Banned
Axe them after releasing their best game? Yikes.
Woah. I love LBP2, one of my favorite games, but you're forgetting Nintendo. They still make really great games that most simply can't emulate.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I still don't see how MM constantly comes up as the first studio to get the axe when Bend is arguably in a far worse position. I mean I don't want either to get cut and hopefully both of their upcoming releases do well, but if we are strictly talking performance it's no contest.
I don't think either version of that game was made by the entire staff. Could someone else please verify that though.
I don't think either version of that game was made by the entire staff. Could someone else please verify that though.
GamingPheasant
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You sure ignored all the BAFTA awards MM wins every time they released a game.
So it's a point and click puzzle game, with a great level maker? They do say this is just 1 of the characters and he's limit to just walking around, do we know how many characters there'll be?
Edit: Just saw there's a platformer character too.
I mean unfortunately that's business though. You can't just keep a company that's bleeding you or not putting out content. The evolution cut unfortunately made sense.
So they haven't made a full title in 6 years. Jeeeeeeeezzzz.
I've made my stance clear on the dreams thing. Yes I get that it's a "platform" for games. Things like this have existed forever. What you have to understand is that gamers for the most part aren't interested in making games, they're interested in playing them. LBP didn't sell because of the UGC or the ability to build your own levels... it sold because the sackboy was adorable and it was an easy game to pick up and play.
It's not a point and click puzzle game. It's LittleBigPlanet in a 3D space.
British awards for a British studio? Hang them right next to those superb EDGE scores!
Hydrargyrus
Member
I'm still wondering what the hell is going on with Dreams and how this could end being a playable game.
I know Sony like to try new things, but the credit they give to MM is beyond normal
I know Sony like to try new things, but the credit they give to MM is beyond normal
They can make a campaign of sorts, but at the moment there is simply no hook whatsoever. As I said above, the sackboy was the hook, and the platforming. The generating levels was completely secondary to that.
Studio is too talented to axe. If Dreams ends up bombing, Sony will probably tighten the reigns on all that "creativity" and put them on a project a little more safe and grounded. I imagine their past works have been profitable. We know they were well received. Guerilla said that's how Sony works in their latest interview. As long as the studio is making money they have creative freedom.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
They're pretty fucked at this point. I never thought Sony would let Cambridge go, but here we are. That yearly "who to cut" decision in 2018 is gonna be a pretty obvious one.
Take no joy in it but fuck me have they let feature creep and lack of focus take Dreams into the thicket. Ironically no Cambridge around to save them this time!
Take no joy in it but fuck me have they let feature creep and lack of focus take Dreams into the thicket. Ironically no Cambridge around to save them this time!
You wouldn't even become one if you think like that lol.
Sangetsu-II
Member
Maybe this video explains it better see the first 20 seconds of the video to see the different gameplay varieties you can experience with user generated content.
https://youtu.be/hNSH1vKOK9o
Play, Create, Share was and still is the emphasis. I do agree that lack of a mascot or something to identify the game might make the game a difficult sell but I'm sure the marketing teams will have that covered
You wouldn't get the job in the first place
You guys have weirdly high expectations of company executives.
travisbickle
Member
They haven't shown anything on stream for 7 months!
BUT they're obviously hitting milestones that Sony are happy with. One of their last live streams (8 months ago) had Shuhei in the studio playing the game. And it showed off a pretty established UI for navigating content link and enough polish all round to have been sent out as a Alpha/Beta. So I would guess it was more a collective decision to drop a beta rather than a "shit we aint ready!!"
Gradly
Member
This case was brought in other threads before and I'll just refer to my post answering the same question:
I disagree. Discussing how deserving a studio is of closure without a hint of remorse or empathy is repulsive imo. Basically this:
Make no mistake I am no fan of Media Molecule but just because they don't make games I like doesn't mean I think they should be closed down. Get back to me when they release a horribly broken glitchy mess and we will talk but until then lets not go popping off about how such and such studios should be closed especially when said studio is a critical darling and one of the very very few studios striving to make the sort of family friendly games that are incredibly important for bringing in a new generation of younger gamers that are crucial to the future of the industry.
killatopak
Member
You'd already be a boss if that was true. Except you're not.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Again there is likely one studio ahead of them on hypothetical chopping block.
... If what was true?
gundamkyoukai
Member
Not really .
Saying that you would shut them down after LBP2 is stupid .
Which executive is going to shut down a team of 30 people ( when LBP2 came out )
That sold 3 plus million with loads of DLC .
Company executives like making money .
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I could see Bend next year, MM after (albeit a cut down 'run the servers/dlc' MM with their fate somewhat obvious).
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I'm out. This is a disgusting topic. Really rubs me the wrong way.
AlexFlame116
Member
Yeah I dont think this thread will end well for many reasons. Time to head out!
Mushroomer25
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I'll be honest, I only recall the game through its various E3 appearances. From those, I recall it was a sculpting tool with some basic stop-motion animation elements?
It seems neat, but TiltBrush seems to be executing that same concept on a way more interesting level.
xenorevlis
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Combined sales of MM's developed LBP games are now around 10 million. Add to that 60+ million DLC downloads. OP needs to actually attempt *some* amount of research next time before suggesting he would have closed them down (and thus be making a terrible business decision).
From 2012: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503740
As for Dreams, it is running on a rendering engine that is unlike traditional 3D engines and the same performance-driven approach is being designed for audio, advanced logic (akin to LBP), with the ability to export your models for use with other 3D applications and 3D printing.
From 2012: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503740
As for Dreams, it is running on a rendering engine that is unlike traditional 3D engines and the same performance-driven approach is being designed for audio, advanced logic (akin to LBP), with the ability to export your models for use with other 3D applications and 3D printing.
Totally. I've been hurting for more ever since getting to check it out in person back in 2015.