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The Take Out Bandit

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kaching said:
Instead we kowtow to Adobe's will. Last I checked, building a flash-free site had nothing to do with bending to Apple's will but in fact recognizing that there's more than just iPhones out there which can't handle Flash well if at all.
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Stuff a sock in it you Apple-ologist!

I don't want a Flash free site. I want to be able to go to hulu, youporn, or where ever the fuck I please. You know, the so called "real Internet in the palm of your hand" Apple falsely advertises.

Hmmmm. . . wonder if we could slap those cunts with a class action suit just to piss off Apple-GAF? :lol
 
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Tobor

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The Take Out Bandit said:
Stuff a sock in it you Apple-ologist!

I don't want a Flash free site. I want to be able to go to hulu, youporn, or where ever the fuck I please. You know, the so called "real Internet in the palm of your hand" Apple falsely advertises.

Hmmmm. . . wonder if we could slap those cunts with a class action suit just to piss off Apple-GAF? :lol
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You'll have to use the Chewbacca defense.

Apple and Adobe are increasingly becoming competitors, so I don't see Apple trying to do Adobe any favors anytime soon.
 
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Macam

Banned
krypt0nian said:
More developers?
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More developers not developing on Macs? Probably not what Apple wants;-)

The Take Out Bandit said:
I don't want a Flash free site. I want to be able to go to hulu, youporn, or where ever the fuck I please. You know, the so called "real Internet in the palm of your hand" Apple falsely advertises.
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:lol@YouPorn. Somewhat unexpected on a short list of Flash-based websites.
 
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Tobor

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Macam said:
More developers not developing on Macs? Probably not what Apple wants;-)



:lol@YouPorn. Somewhat unexpected on a short list of Flash-based websites.
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Daily Motion works just fine on the iPhone. I would imagine YouPorn or one of it's competitors is working on an iPhone version as we speak. Hulu, not so much.
 
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C.Dark.DN

Banned
ckohler said:
That's silly. If someone was serious about being an xcode dev, the cost of a Mac is hardly a barrier to entry.
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It's not silly. My question was for my boss. He's an IT manager who has been writing a company's code for 20 years and wants to be able to dev for his iphone on windows. He has no reason to own a mac since everything he does is for windows.
 
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Snowden

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DeathNote said:
It's not silly. My question was for my boss. He's an IT manager who has been writing a company's code for 20 years and wants to be able to dev for his iphone on windows. He has no reason to own a mac since everything he does is for windows.
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Well, now he has one.
 
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Tobor

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DeathNote said:
It's not silly. My question was for my boss. He's an IT manager who has been writing a company's code for 20 years and wants to be able to dev for his iphone on windows. He has no reason to own a mac since everything he does is for windows.
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Well, it looks like now he does.

EDIT: DAMMIT!
 
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Tobor

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DeathNote said:
Buy a separate computer just to use free software that he wont get paid for?:lol
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If he's any good, he will get paid for it. And it's free...to Mac owners. Tell your boss the SDK for windows users starts at $599 and is available for purchase at any Apple store.
 
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C.Dark.DN

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Tobor said:
If he's any good, he will get paid for it. And it's free...to Mac owners. Tell your boss the SDK for windows users starts at $599 and is available for purchase at any Apple store.
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Company-wise we were looking at nextel's gps phones and telenavtrack for the company. If the new version of the iphones have gps then he could write more customizable software than what telenev uses on nextel and sprint phones perhaps. Then the company would actually have use for him deving on iphones and buying everyone iphones.
 
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Tobor

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DeathNote said:
Company-wise we were looking at nextel's gps phones and telenavtrack for the company. If the new version of the iphones have gps then he could write more customizable software than what telenev uses on the phones perhaps. Then the company would actually have use for him deving on iphones and buying everyone iphones.
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That sounds like a goal worthy of a $600 investment to me. With assumptions, of course. We don't know for sure that it will have GPS, and we certainly have no idea if apps would be able to use it.
 
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koam

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Futureman said:
Can't you restore the original firmware then take it to an Apple Store? Sounds maybe like you need a replacement.
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I think that's what i'm going to do. The problem with that is that they keep the phone for a week. If i just get a replacement one though, they charge a $39 restocking fee.
 
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krypt0nian

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ckohler said:
That's silly. If someone was serious about being an xcode dev, the cost of a Mac is hardly a barrier to entry.
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Nothing silly about it. Plenty of homebrew coders don't have the resources to buy a Mac just to dev for the iPhone.
 
Phoenix

Phoenix

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krypt0nian said:
More developers?
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Apple had over 10k applications for iPhone SDK development and over 100k SDK downloads. I'm not sure they are prioritizing "more developers" right now. I believe they are more interested in culling back the number of developers and getting more quality as opposed to quantity.
 
Phoenix

Phoenix

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DeathNote said:
It's not silly. My question was for my boss. He's an IT manager who has been writing a company's code for 20 years and wants to be able to dev for his iphone on windows. He has no reason to own a mac since everything he does is for windows.
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Then he has a choice to make - build the app for one of the other phones out there that DOES have an SDK for Windows like the Google Andromeda, the legion of Flash Lite supporting phones, etc. I mean I'd love to be able to build applications for some of the embedded automobile PCs and not spend any money as well - but you don't have that option. Flip a coin and move on with life.
 
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xsarien

daedsiluap
krypt0nian said:
Nothing silly about it. Plenty of homebrew coders don't have the resources to buy a Mac just to dev for the iPhone.
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A Mac Mini or a the lowest-end Macbook shouldn't set someone serious about coding back THAT much. I'm not advocating HAW HAW UR POOR!, but at the same time if you're serious about developing anything you need to factor in certain costs, like hardware for testing.

It should be noted that at least you don't need a Mac to make iPhone/iPod Touch optimized websites. If anything, coding against JUST Safari (assuming a site made specifically for this mobile platform) should make any web job pretty easy. And you can do that on Windows.
 
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kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
The Take Out Bandit said:
Stuff a sock in it you Apple-ologist!
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Sure thing, I'll let the guy who claims he can't do without flash-enabled web yet buys an iPhone anyway, do all the talking. Be my guest. Show us all how not kowtowing to Apple is done. :)

DeathNote said:
It's not silly. My question was for my boss. He's an IT manager who has been writing a company's code for 20 years and wants to be able to dev for his iphone on windows. He has no reason to own a mac since everything he does is for windows.
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What kind of app does he want to build? As xsarien points out, he could try the web dev route to start. The next update to Safari on the iPhone should be bringing a number of enhancements via webkit and support for html 5's persistent storage should enable him to create something that might at least prototype well and make the case for further investment. And there's already some pretty sophisticated web apps now.
 
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Kung Fu Jedi

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bdizzle said:
the same reason anyone else would do it, because they wanted to. i dont know why some of you guys on here think your opinions fuckin matter when it comes to answering a question
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Sorry, but considering the limitations of the number of characters in SMS messages, it makes absolutely no sense to have a sig in them. Especially since if I'm receiving a text from someone, they're 99% likely to already be in my contacts list and I'll know who they are.

E-mail sigs are fine, and you can have one on the iPhone, but text messages? Pretty silly to have them in there.
 
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Costanza

Banned
My iPhone won't sync videos anymore.... anyone have this issue?

edit: turns out my computer wasn't authorized to play any of them so they wouldn't sync.. just had to log in to itunes.
 
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Danj

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UK price cut confirmed

Carphone Warehouse and O2 have announced that they will each knock £100 off the price of Apple's 8GB iPhone tomorrow, as predicted earlier today.

Already own an iPhone? If you bought it from CW in the last 30 days, the company will give you £100 worth of gift vouchers, it said.

From tomorrow, both firms will sell the iPhone for £169.
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The Chef

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I hooked up my iPhone to my pos PC to activate it about two weeks ago - but I just built a monster gaming PC so I am obviously going to have to resync it to my new computer.

Am I going to lose all of my stuff by syncing it to my new PC? Is there a way to back anything up before I do this?
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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Kung Fu Jedi said:
Yes, because this functionality is so common on every other phone out there.
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I see what you're saying, but this is one of those cases where I have to agree with the critics. One of the first things I ever did on the iPhone was try to save a picture from an iPhone wallpaper site right there on the phone. Having to get on a computer and transfer the picture over by e-mail or syncing or anything else seemed really stupid, and I figured someone at Apple would've noticed this oversight early.
 
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xsarien

daedsiluap
DaCocoBrova said:
That's pretty sad IMO. Took what, a year? Geesh!
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Imagine the Herculean effort it must be for their programmers to get copy/paste working!

That IS something most any other phone does.
 
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Kung Fu Jedi

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I see what you're saying, but this is one of those cases where I have to agree with the critics. One of the first things I ever did on the iPhone was try to save a picture from an iPhone wallpaper site right there on the phone. Having to get on a computer and transfer the picture over by e-mail or syncing or anything else seemed really stupid, and I figured someone at Apple would've noticed this oversight early.
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Fair enough. I guess it's not something I had tried before, and think it's nice that we're getting it. Glass half empty vs. Glass half full I suppose.

xsarien said:
Imagine the Herculean effort it must be for their programmers to get copy/paste working!

That IS something most any other phone does.
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I think this is a MUCH bigger problem to overcome. They'll need to come up with something intuitive and easy while staying inside the boundaries of the touch interface. For the most part, the only time I miss it though, is when I want to select spoilered text on GAF. :lol
 
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Dilbert

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xsarien said:
Imagine the Herculean effort it must be for their programmers to get copy/paste working!

That IS something most any other phone does.
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Given the interface, I don't think this is such an easy job.

What is your idea about how it ought to be implemented using multitouch?
 
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spermatic cord

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Sorry about a question that has probably been asked a thousand times but: if I buy an iPhone from Apple.com can I unlock it out of the box? Like without having to sign up for ATT or anything like that.
 
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clav

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spermatic cord said:
Sorry about a question that has probably been asked a thousand times but: if I buy an iPhone from Apple.com can I unlock it out of the box? Like without having to sign up for ATT or anything like that.
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Google ZIphone.
 
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tombur

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Silicon Knight said:
Answer this man please.
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Extract from the O2 iphone tarrif page:

"If you do not enter into and remain in an airtime agreement with O2 on one of our tariffs for iPhone, you will not be able to use the phone functionality of your iPhone. If you attempt to unlock iPhone and use it on another network, it may become permanently unusable. Making unauthorised modifications to the software on your iPhone violates the iPhone software license agreement, and the inability to use your iPhone due to unauthorized software modifications is not covered under your iPhone's warranty."

I am guessing this means that they send you the iphone with instructions on how to connect to their contract, and if you dont it is locked out for any other network. Which is where ZIphone comes in!

It looks like I am ordering an iphone :lol - unless there is a way to import a german 99 euro model to the UK.
 
Phoenix

Phoenix

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I see what you're saying, but this is one of those cases where I have to agree with the critics. One of the first things I ever did on the iPhone was try to save a picture from an iPhone wallpaper site right there on the phone. Having to get on a computer and transfer the picture over by e-mail or syncing or anything else seemed really stupid, and I figured someone at Apple would've noticed this oversight early.
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It wasn't an oversight. There was never a plan to allow people to have access to local storage on the phone. The only reason this feature is coming up now is that Apple has had a change of heart.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
tombur said:
Question for any UK iphoners, if I bought the phone from O2 do I HAVE to sign up for the rip off contract or can I jailbreak it before?
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no you don't. you can just walk into carphone warehouse or O2 and buy one, then walk out of the door. It'll function just fine as an ipod touch without the contract, or jailbreak it and use any sim. You lose visual voicemail but thats about it.


whats interesting is that with the price cut, the iphone is actually cheaper than buying an 8GB ipod touch.
 
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PotatoeMasher

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I would recommend using iLiberty+ instead of ZiPhone if you ever intend on upgrading to the 2.0 firmware. ZiPhone downgrades your baseband, and is causing lots of people big trouble when it comes time to upgrade to the latest firmware.
 
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Juice

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A lot of ZiPhone users are going to have a lot more to be frustrated about than the new shiny 3G iPhones when the 2.0 FW comes out.*

*Which, as it were, I've just been given permission to purchase a 3G iPhone and pass the original off to the wife. Yay!
 
Bboy AJ

Bboy AJ

My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
PotatoeMasher said:
I would recommend using iLiberty+ instead of ZiPhone if you ever intend on upgrading to the 2.0 firmware. ZiPhone downgrades your baseband, and is causing lots of people big trouble when it comes time to upgrade to the latest firmware.
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I wish I knew about this earlier. Any way to correct my ZiPhone unlock? I'm going to be ticked off when 2.0 comes out and I can't upgrade.

Also, I hope there's going to be a way to disable pictures in Safari. I don't need that on all the time. It kills me when using EDGE.
 
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koam

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I ran bootneuter on my friend's phone and got her bootloader back to 4.6. I then ran ZiPhone and pressed the fourth button on the left so that i can be able to do a firmware update in itunes. I then updated her firmware back to a stock 1.1.4 and we drove to albany and returned it no problems :)

I wish I knew about this earlier. Any way to correct my ZiPhone unlock? I'm going to be ticked off when 2.0 comes out and I can't upgrade.
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Yeah do it now with bootneuter, it's super easy:

Bootneuter: add this to your sources http://sendowski.de/iphone
Here's the tutorial i used: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kWEJRu24pw0
 
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Juice

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Bboy AJ said:
I wish I knew about this earlier. Any way to correct my ZiPhone unlock? I'm going to be ticked off when 2.0 comes out and I can't upgrade.

Also, I hope there's going to be a way to disable pictures in Safari. I don't need that on all the time. It kills me when using EDGE.
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I'm working on a native app that filters images.

also, all I've heard is that anyone who used ziphone for an unlock (not just to jailbreak) on a phone newer than August has perma-neutered it from future updates

Edit: ^! Nevermind.
 
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ckohler

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All I did was "jailbreak" using ZiPhone (ie. made it so I can install apps). All these bootloader concerns only effect people who unlocked (use any carrier), correct? I should be safe, correct?
 
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Juice

Member
ckohler said:
All I did was "jailbreak" using ZiPhone (ie. made it so I can install apps). All these bootloader concerns only effect people who unlocked (use any carrier), correct? I should be safe, correct?
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As best I know, yes.
 
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666

Banned
So can the iPhone not play standard flash videos? We don't have them in Aust. yet, but I just assumed it would... That's ridiculous!
 
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