Woodsy said:Has anyone done an upgrade/downgrade from a Generation 1 iPhone?
My wife is now using my iPhone and I'm sure we will continue service on it indefinitely, but is there anything preventing me from getting the 3G upgrade for $99, transferring the service to the new phone, then swapping the SIM back into the Gen 1? I really just want the 3G for myself to do some games and use the GPS for some of the golf course mapping apps - my wife is happy with the Gen 1.
I have read that the Gen 1's are SIM eaters and will corrupt the SIM if you put in one from a newer phone.
OverHeat said:I just got the Navigon GPS app (70$) and it work reallly well.
I recommend it if you dont have a GPS.
Ashhong said:if your wife is using the 2G, and you want to buy the 3G and use it for yourself, why do you need to swap the SIMs around?
downgrades are usually not possible, however Apple stopped updating certain aspects of the 2G so it may be possible to a certain extent. not sure why you would want to though.
i havent heard about it corrupting any SIM cards. i know many people that use it on say Tmobile without issues though.
my biggest issue with this is the lack of POI's. it cant even find a gamestop near me...
First jailbreak, then unlock. iClarified has very nice tutorials for each step.Marty Chinn said:I'm going to be traveling to Italy and Greece and my wife found out that the best solution to using our iPhones, especially for data, is to unlock our phones and buy a prepaid sim card so that we can use our phones there. Does anyone have any experience with this and could just give some tips and advice on how to go about doing this? Any help would be appreciated.
Charred Greyface said:First jailbreak, then unlock. iClarified has very nice tutorials for each step.
Or you could sell your iPhones here and pick up factory unlocked iPhones in Italy
How to Select an iPhone Unlock/Jailbreak Tutorial (The information for the 3GS there is slightly outdated but you don't want that anyway)Marty Chinn said:Thanks for the link but am I mistaken or are most of those for the 3GS and not the 3G? Also I was hoping to also find some tips on where and what type of sim cards with what data plans. Also what type of coverage I'll get since we're traveling on a cruise to different ports. Thanks for the initial help already though.
That's an Apple thing. No lights on anything. Even their router only has a single light on the front instead of like 5-10 like most routers.Y2Kev said:so i'm basically in love with my device, but i miss one thing from blackberry: is there really no way to put message notifications in the menu bar? this strikes me as a glaring omission...no LED and no message notifier for email. You could be using the device, put it down and walk away, and come back and conceivably miss that you got an email.
A patent?! Damn, are there enough prior art examples already? software patents *sigh*Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:That's an Apple thing. No lights on anything. Even their router only has a single light on the front instead of like 5-10 like most routers.
They did have a patent where the lock screen would be a dashboard to all of your new and updated shit, like it should have been from the start. Everyone assumed that would be in 3.0, but I guess it's for next year.
JailbreakY2Kev said:so i'm basically in love with my device, but i miss one thing from blackberry: is there really no way to put message notifications in the menu bar? this strikes me as a glaring omission...no LED and no message notifier for email. You could be using the device, put it down and walk away, and come back and conceivably miss that you got an email.
Y2Kev said:so i'm basically in love with my device, but i miss one thing from blackberry: is there really no way to put message notifications in the menu bar? this strikes me as a glaring omission...no LED and no message notifier for email. You could be using the device, put it down and walk away, and come back and conceivably miss that you got an email.
Y2Kev said:so i'm basically in love with my device, but i miss one thing from blackberry: is there really no way to put message notifications in the menu bar? this strikes me as a glaring omission...no LED and no message notifier for email. You could be using the device, put it down and walk away, and come back and conceivably miss that you got an email.
Status Notifier.Burger said:There is a app for putting small icons at the top. One for sms, email and missed calls, they slot in next to the battery icon.
The only caveats are that you need to jailbreak your phone, and I cannot remember what it is called.
Okay apple needs to do this because that is ugly.enzom21 said:
enzom21 said:
Y2Kev said:Okay apple needs to do this because that is ugly.
TheGreatDave said:Jailbreaking really isn't dangerous. I see no reason not to do it, my 3.0 jailbreak went incredibly smoothly.
I also installed an add on through Jailbreak that stops the iPhone ever going in to portrait mode, making it Super Perfect Phone <3
I'm looking at that guy's menu bar in the settings panel.Burger said:Sweet, I'll put it back on my phone.
Err, it doesn't even show a screenshot of it running, only its settings!
There are different icon sets available.Y2Kev said:Okay apple needs to do this because that is ugly.
Tobor said:WTF? Why would you want that? Ugh.
Marty Chinn said:Sometimes I like to lay on the couch or the bed and preventing portrait mode would be great for web browsing.
Y2Kev said:I'm looking at that guy's menu bar in the settings panel.
Nope.Epix said:Has anyone heard of a date we'll be getting MMS from AT&T? Late summer is upon us.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:Nope.
I think the date we're all really waiting on is the day we don't have to deal with AT&T ever again.
Well for safari, portrait does not work for upside down (sleep/wake button end pointing toward the ground, home button end pointing away). What I do when browsing lying down is to tip the phone into landscape mode on the appropriate side such that it's right way up to my sideways oriented head, and it doesn't go into portrait mode because the home button end is oriented towards the ceiling.Marty Chinn said:Sometimes I like to lay on the couch or the bed and preventing portrait mode would be great for web browsing.
Today, if someone offered me the choice between operating a business in a jailbreak style market (with exact same conditions as it was pre App Store) vs operating a business on the App Store, id pick jailbreak without question. Of course things have changed significantly since the App Store has been around, but the fact that a hacking community had more business viably than the App Store, is a reflection of Apples failures here.
You can then look at the strategy taken by EA recently, in creating offshoot 8lb Gorilla. Essentially forced into doing something because Apple have killed the viability of anything above $0.99. 8lb Gorilla is setup to churn out limited scale $0.99 games every few weeks. All in an attempt for EA to find some viable way to operate in a market they clearly feel a need to have a presence in. I have my doubts that this will work, even with the featuring Apple gives companies like this. This move by EA should horrify Apple. The alarm bells should be ringing, cause the ship is sinking.
Any developer who has experienced the business side of the App Store, iTunes Connect, the app submission process, is well aware that there is virtually zero care and attention to detail taken, it barely works for its intended purpose, and that lack of care and attention even creeps into the customer facing App Store. Put simply, the whole thing is entirely unprofessional, bordering on incompetent, and Apple should be highly embarrassed by it. The astounding thing is that this is so at odds with what most people expect from Apple: its certainly a far cry from the usual obsessive attention to detail in most of its consumer facing products.
LCfiner said:Here's the most recent (and damning) critique of the app store business from a developer. saw this linked on daring fireball.
with all the bullshit decisions apple and AT&T have been making recently with apps, I figured it was worthwhile to post this.
http://www.polarbearfarm.com/blog/?p=124
Now, to provide a devil's advocate viewpoint, this company was charging 5 dollars for an app to search your contacts and 5 dollars for a note making app.
they do have cool ones like a facial recognition program for photos and a twitter push app, though.
Y2Kev said:Can I be honest? The feature that blows my mind the most is how the screen shuts off when you put it to your ear. I can't tell you the number of times I turned on speakerphone or hit mute with my assberry storm with my face. Every time I put the phone down from my ear and the screen turns back on I just go WOW
Check out the google app that uses a similar feature for voice searching. It actually adds in acceleromter motion to detect your phone moving to your face in addition to the light sensor for more accuracy.Y2Kev said:Can I be honest? The feature that blows my mind the most is how the screen shuts off when you put it to your ear. I can't tell you the number of times I turned on speakerphone or hit mute with my assberry storm with my face. Every time I put the phone down from my ear and the screen turns back on I just go WOW
LCfiner said:Here's the most recent (and damning) critique of the app store business from a developer. saw this linked on daring fireball.
with all the bullshit decisions apple and AT&T have been making recently with apps, I figured it was worthwhile to post this.
http://www.polarbearfarm.com/blog/?p=124
Now, to provide a devil's advocate viewpoint, this company was charging 5 dollars for an app to search your contacts and 5 dollars for a note making app.
they do have cool ones like a facial recognition program for photos and a twitter push app, though.
I meant landscape Blame my brain.Tobor said:WTF? Why would you want that? Ugh.
Burger said:I read that blog post and couldn't figure out what he was whining about. Why do they assume that the App Store is a democracy ? They signed up to the terms and then bitch about the terms. Sure, Apple is vague in many areas, and should be more forthcoming about the real reasons some apps are declined, but still, it's their business. If you don't like it go and develop for Android.
jonnybryce said:It's undeniably shady and stupid, though. You can spend time making an app and it can randomly be rejected. It's a risk that isn't justified.
Developer A: "Let's make an app where people can text for free!"
Apple: "Cool, welcome aboard!"
Developer B: "Let's make an alternate browser with full screen mode!"
Apple: "Great! Thanks for the contribution to our app catalog!"
Developer C: "Let's make a Google Voice app!"
Apple: "THIS DUPLICATES FUNCTIONS ON THE IPHONE. CUSTOMERS ARE CONFUSED. THIS IS ALL WE CAN SAY. GTFO."
Can't really defend this by saying "It's their rules!" because the issue is no one knows the rules so it's impossible to play by them. I don't think telling developers who don't want to take the 50/50 gamble to jump ship to Android benefits the app store or iPhone users.
Vyer said:Kind of hard to take that type of criticism from a company that wants to stick it to the customer with $5 contact searching. Then it just comes across as 'we want to charge more for our crap!!!' whining.
Having said that, I completely agree that there is some stupidity going on with the whole submission process. Stuff needs to be addressed, and quickly.
Still, I'm not sure I 'get' the problems with the pricing. I think if the app is worthwhile there is a market for it at certain prices (above 99 cents). But obviously there is a ceiling. I'm not sure what solutions people are looking for here.
EDIT: Interestingly, that blog post seems to be gone now.
I read that blog post and couldn't figure out what he was whining about. Why do they assume that the App Store is a democracy ? They signed up to the terms and then bitch about the terms. Sure, Apple is vague in many areas, and should be more forthcoming about the real reasons some apps are declined, but still, it's their business. If you don't like it go and develop for Android.
Googles a billion dollar company and can afford to take a loss on the development time it took to build their Google Voice app, but in the case of Kovacs, a source of income was taken out from under him. I cant help but look behind me whenever Im working on an iPhone product if/when Apple is going to pull my income source out from under me because it doesnt please someone in Cupertino or at AT&T HQ. What happens when Apple decides to release a tasks app for the phone? What about a Twitter client? Are the existing solutions going to receive the same phone call as Kovacs?
I have been working on a 2.0 version of FitnessTrack for the past month, but I spend far too much time asking myself if its even worth doing the update given how little revenue it actually brings in compared to Today. I have to sell 8 copies of FitnessTrack a day to equal the revenue I earn from a single Today purchase. When youre not featured on the AppStore front page, that can be a daunting task.
Assuming your application is not in that iffy category that still doesnt offer you any insight into when Apple will actually approve an initial release or even an update. I stopped bothering with point releases to my iPhone applications because it was taking anywhere from 10-14 days to get them accepted. Id have followup releases ready to submit before the previous one was even in the store. Some developers have had their applications sit in the review process for months at a time with little correspondence from Apple as to what the holdup is.
More important than the money is my enjoyment as a developer. I no longer enjoy building software for the iPhone because of the bureaucracy and infrastructure that surrounds it. I can build great software for the Mac without the headaches and bullshit of dealing directly with Cupertino and their AppStore. As it stands, its too much effort with too little reward when compared to distributing software on my own terms on the Mac platform. Im tired of dealing with these issues and I know other developers are as well. AppStore is just an upgraded, native shit sandwich.
mrkgoo said:Meh. You know it's AT&T who has their knickers in a twist. Google Voice is a VOIP program? What about Skype?
DarkJC said:I think you guys should be taking App Store criticism from developers more seriously. It's not like there is only one dev whining about this, and the problems just seem to be getting worse.
DarkJC said:I think you guys should be taking App Store criticism from developers more seriously. It's not like there is only one dev whining about this, and the problems just seem to be getting worse.
While Apple has had a head start, if things continue, all signs point to developers doing just that. I love my iPhone. Sure, it's worrying to me that more and more negative feedback for the App Store is rearing its ugly head. But what really worries me are the consumers that simply brush off valid criticism because that developer hasn't made anything "worthwhile" or "it's their business, they can do what they want".
Will it take more blog posts?
Vyer said:Most people agree that the problem of submissions should be addressed. That's a seperate issue from the topic of .99c apps.
Well I'm not a developer, so I don't have that perspective. As a customer, the App Store works for me. However, I do agree that Apple needs to fess up with who is blocking what and why.
Some of these comments from developers are a little dramatic though. "CLOSE THE APP STORE!"... To me that translates as "APPLE HASN'T MADE ME RICH ENOUGH!"
DarkJC said:I'll agree that calling to close the store is dramatic, but I think it's the result of being ignored for as long as the store began operation.
Critical Jeff said:Posting from my new itouch. I love this thing. It's going to be so awsome on campus with the campus wide wifi