Meh, ive been holding onto the hope party chat like system was in just they hadnt annouced it yet. I know a few of my friends wont touch a wii u now it has become that vital to them.
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Iwata Asks: Wii U Chat
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Meh, ive been holding onto the hope party chat like system was in just they hadnt annouced it yet. I know a few of my friends wont touch a wii u now it has become that vital to them.
I'm hoping it'll be at least a feature that will be added on a firmware update. For now I'm okay with Video Chat (except for having to end the game), but yeah I can see why it would annoy some as is.
I hope, i thought they would be more aware of features people have been crying out for on ps3 and feature that has more or less made live what it is.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Just saying that a next gen system should at least have last gen features.
I have to say that having to end your game to take a call is rather sad. It's unlikely you'll have a chance to save it before quitting either.
We do know that the Wii U doesn't multitask. Therefore it would not surprise me if any "Home" menu processing is actually running on the secondary ARM's or built into the games just like Wii. In this case, those menus can't actually run on the main CPU and use it's resources.
Nintendo may have to add multitasking to their system to get this to work, which in all honesty means it won't happen.
If you're talking about video chat then we do know that it's only between 2 people.
Just beause something was done before, doesn't mean everyone will follow suit with it if they're only going to copy what was done before... this is Nintendo we're talking about, they like putting their own spin on shit all the time
Do we?
Phife Dawg
Member
Quitting out of a game and no more LED-lit optical drive means this is pretty much useless, unless all games feature a quick save option. I would never schedule private video calls and I guess I'm not alone. Iwata better shows his coders the pimp hand so this gets fixed soon.
Well they could've devoted resources to something like that is the point I guess, although it's clear that their aim was totally different when developing Wii U chat. Still, I'm inclined to agree even though I don't use voice chat. Not including it from the start when you have lots of computing resources available is a strange omission.
Since when do we know that? How is all the other stuff running in the background then?
TheCongressman1
Member
I just want cross game voice chat. Video chat is nice, but that does not make my gaming experience any better, especially if I have to end the game to do it.
No cross-game chat at all? With a freaking gig of RAM reserved for OS functions?
Damn.
Cross game is only if the game developer implements it
The freaking RAM for the OS probably is being used for background Miiverse stuff, and probably not very well optimized
Flame Lord
Member
But cross game chat is only with people that you invite into the chat.
There is obviously some form of multitasking for things like notifications and stuff, but I have read before that it won't/can't "multiask" as we think of when we think of desktops. Again it's just something I recall and I can't find the source.
KojiKnight
Member
I think it's safe to say that this is exactly what I figured when Nintendo didn't talk much about OS features for so long... It's incomplete and thus disappointing. The simple fact that Iwata himself mentions they should fix the video chat ending the game is a clear sign that the OS wasn't really ready for prime time.
On the positive side, this boasts well for future features, and the 1GB in reserve seems now like it's much more of a "We don't know where we're going to end up, so we have to keep it in reserve till we know". Hopefully by the end of the first year we'll get some better OS features including not having to close games to video chat AND get some of the extra ram free'd up.
On the positive side, this boasts well for future features, and the 1GB in reserve seems now like it's much more of a "We don't know where we're going to end up, so we have to keep it in reserve till we know". Hopefully by the end of the first year we'll get some better OS features including not having to close games to video chat AND get some of the extra ram free'd up.
TheCongressman1
Member
I suspected this for a while. It's usually the case when Nintendo doesn't talk about something like this.
metalslimer
Member
Which is really unacceptable considering how long they've had to iron all this stuff out. I could understand the 3DS. It was rushed out and showed with the complete lack of software for it.
This has nothing to do with graphical ability though. This is stuff they should have been readying years ago. Instead it seems they completely didn't invest in any kind of online system and quickly tried to correct that.
It's the one feature people have been demanding for years now on PS3, including me. It's baffling they couldn't get this right.
metalslimer
Member
They can't even get system standard game chat right let alone cross game chat.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
No standard in-game chat for all games is understandable since it's clearly a lot easier to moderate text than audio but no cross game chat between friends is pathetic. Hopefully it's something they will add in a future firmware update but it should really be there day 1.
When I say HD system, it was just a general term... is not just about graphics, that they even tried to be as ambitious to implement these many online features when they've been very shy to embrace online in the first place
Agent Unknown
Member
I have to end my game if I want to use the video chat, great. Sooooo...what's the point of having at least a gig of RAM reserved for the OS then? The browser doesn't seem to use it and neither does video chat. Will TVii or anything else take advantage of it? Anyways, still a cool feature, hopefully we'll get a Skype app eventually.
StreetsAhead
Member
I know about 524. Nintendo is doomed.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
Ending the game seems like it makes it a bit pointless. Pausing the game, then having a chat about if you want to play online or whatever, then having the option to join them, now that'd be how it would be useful.
They've already shown multitasking with the browser.
Wii U Internet Browser Trailer
At 1:30 he pauses the game to use the browser then goes back to the game.
I love the fact people keep pointing this out about the 1gig of RAM... as if it was only dedicated to that one application of cross game chat... there must be other functions being used or being reserved for future applications that is being reserved
Cross game party chat has become a pretty large feature for the core market though, not having it in just adds to the im waiting till the next xbox ps etc excuses. I cant work this system out, in one way its more core than the last nintendo console on the other its not core focused enough missing bog standard features.
ChosenPredator
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sure there is going to be tons of fixes and updates to refine the shit out of it as we beta test it because it's going to feel like a beta test.
By 'end the game' are you sure they didn't just mean pause the game? They actually mean QUIT the game you're in?
If I'm in the middle of a game, and the little light bleeps, I can't just pause the game, take the call, and get back to the game? I have to quit the whole game? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
This is sorta ridiculous. We are supposed to call people on our friend's list even if their Wii U might not even be turned on? And we'll have no idea? Will it just keep ringing?! This basically means I need to pre-arrange any voice calls. Why can't I see which of my friends have their Wii U turned on or not? Hell even the 3DS can do that. Can I safely deduce from this it will be quite a challenge joining a friend's came....more challenging than joining a friend on 3DS? Bahhh
If I'm in the middle of a game, and the little light bleeps, I can't just pause the game, take the call, and get back to the game? I have to quit the whole game? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose?
This is sorta ridiculous. We are supposed to call people on our friend's list even if their Wii U might not even be turned on? And we'll have no idea? Will it just keep ringing?! This basically means I need to pre-arrange any voice calls. Why can't I see which of my friends have their Wii U turned on or not? Hell even the 3DS can do that. Can I safely deduce from this it will be quite a challenge joining a friend's came....more challenging than joining a friend on 3DS? Bahhh
I'm calling bullshit on that and anyone who claims it.
Then you're out of touch.
I understand people want it, but saying you won't buy a system because of it makes me think they weren't really going to get it anyway.
Yeah, there's a disconnect between that and what I read so it's probably best to forget what I said until I can dig up some more information.
This feature has absolutely nothing to do with strangers. It's about talking to your friends.
so basically, people don't like Nintendo's incomplete and less robust OS communication features. and the possibility of Nintendo updating in the future is also unacceptable, because it should have been day 1 because this is 2012?
i'm not sure Nintendo will give everyone what they want, but if, down the road, they do, let's hope that people are just as excited about it as they are upset.
i'm not sure Nintendo will give everyone what they want, but if, down the road, they do, let's hope that people are just as excited about it as they are upset.
Cheesemeister
Member
In Japanese:
Satoru Iwata said:
Fumihiko Tamiya said:
They use the word 終了 (shuuryou), which means to end. If they'd meant pause, they would've used the word 中止 (chuushi) or the foreign loan word for pause, ポーズ (poozu).
KojiKnight
Member
Basically... but as long as my Wii U plays Nintendo games everything else is gravy to me.
Cross-game private chat has been a feature of the Xbox 360 since 2005. Party chat has been on the 360 since 2007 or so. It's a giant redflag that Nintendo is failing to include features that are 7 years old, on hardware that's supposedly superior.
I'll promise you both the 720 and the PS4 won't omit these features at launch. It is indeed 2012.
Considering I can browse the internet while a game is paused, this seems a little weird/half-assed.
StreetsAhead
Member
Japanese version: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/interview/hardware/vol6/index2.html
My translation
EDIT: Damnit Cheese!
Well to be fair, it's been on other systems for donkey's years and Nintendo has had 6 years to work on their next system so you'd think they'd have built a system that could handle multitasking as a general OS feature and therefore it'd be easy to have.
It's not something I'm particularly worried about but I still get a little frustrated with them for 1/2 arseing so many things after having such a long time to sort it out.
Things like this crack me up. Software has been doing this for over a decade and Nintendo make it sound like they are doing some new fandangled thing that will make the Wii U implementation like no other. Nintendo are either extremely naive and think they are being cutting edge, or they're just trying to market to the masses. I asssume the latter, but they do this ALL the time in Iwata Asks.
But they are not coming until at least 2013!
Do you have to be a gold subscriber for this?
Not for the private chat.
Wii U does feature some multi-tasking.
From Wii U's JP site:
The "Home Button Menu" can be called up at any time
The Home Button Menu can be displayed at any time from the Gamepad's Home Button. Software such as Miiverse, the Internet browser, and Nintendo eShop, along with the instruction manual, can be called up at any time from the Home Button Menu and operated without ending the software being used.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/features/index.html
From Wii U's JP site:
The "Home Button Menu" can be called up at any time
The Home Button Menu can be displayed at any time from the Gamepad's Home Button. Software such as Miiverse, the Internet browser, and Nintendo eShop, along with the instruction manual, can be called up at any time from the Home Button Menu and operated without ending the software being used.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/hardware/features/index.html
And it's a very fair point. Not sure how they allocate resources and prioritize these things.