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Jaffe: I Would Not Have Included Blu-ray in PS3
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HomerSimpson-Man
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antiloop said:
Yeah, I do see the PS3 as a vehicle to hold onto for the longer run, it's carrier for an even bigger prize, to dominate the next gen optical media format.
Heck, I bought the thing and love it, compliments my HDtv nicely.
PepsimanVsJoe said:
OMG OMG OMG
High Technology.
Only reason br-roms cost more -- it's new tech. Bleedin edge. But all the component will cost exactly the same as your average dvd-rom after several cycles of mass production. And thats 2 -- 3 years max.
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meltpotato
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wow... its funny to watch the reactions of all the goobers who are usually worshiping jaffespeak equally with sony.
i have pretty much the same reaction as i always do to jaffe, never found myself terribly found of his games, but i'll be damned if he doesn't have some of the most admirable perspectives and approaches in the entire industry.
hope he pops up with another franchise that is more my cup of tea.
i have pretty much the same reaction as i always do to jaffe, never found myself terribly found of his games, but i'll be damned if he doesn't have some of the most admirable perspectives and approaches in the entire industry.
hope he pops up with another franchise that is more my cup of tea.
Ploid 3.0
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BuddyC said:
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It's stupid how far appart these interview segments are. One part-per-week for one interview. By the time the last one is up the info might be dated. This won't draw people to their sight, it will only piss people off.
I can't believe that linked site quoted his FYUYA part. To be honest after reading it I had to make sure it wasn't a sight like cnn or something.
I can't wait to play CAC, and I'm glad it's cheap.
Callo Merlose
Banned
What a rebel, rock on! Yeah! Asshat.ElectricBlue187 said:
HomerSimpson-Man said:
a lot of early adaptors - like me, bought PS3 mostly because of its BD drive. Otherwise I would have waited for PES 7.
At most PS3 would be 100$ cheaper without BD - is that really big difference for what you lose?
And plus, would Sony be ready to lose $250 per console if BD drive wasnt in? Thats another thing to note.... Losing that much money AND winning next gen dvd format war might be a lot more easier for them to swallow than simply just losing all that money.
Goldrusher
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He obviously wants to focus on smaller games...but that doesn't mean other people don't need the storage space.
"I want to do games that take 10-13 months; I want to do games that aren't always story-driven, that are more gameplay-driven."
"This is your life. It's the one you get, for the moment anyway, and it doesn't make sense to do things other than what makes you excited,"
"For me now that I've gotten the 'big game' out of my system, this is what's in my system now."
"I want to do games that take 10-13 months; I want to do games that aren't always story-driven, that are more gameplay-driven."
"This is your life. It's the one you get, for the moment anyway, and it doesn't make sense to do things other than what makes you excited,"
"For me now that I've gotten the 'big game' out of my system, this is what's in my system now."
EverSoTrendy
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rollingstart
Banned
I have to see how he expands on talking about why the PS3 doesnt need bluray, but I think bluray is a great part of the PS3, both movie and game wise.
plagiarize
Banned
well, it's hard to say that the GCs disks hurt the system with what we know.Ploid 3.0 said:
would GTA have been on the system if it had bigger disks?
i know it was never a big issue for me, but there were certainly cube games that lost features because they were on smaller disks. some tony hawk games had less tracks for example, and video was lower quality in certain cases.
that said, the games that were released on multiple disks that came out on other systems on one disk that i know of (killer 7 and resident evil 4) pretty much no one ever says 'multiple disks' was a draw back of the cube version.
but then they were linear games which suit multiple disks just fine.
as you can see, it's kind of a complex question to answer.
plagiarize
Banned
you could argue that without BD, that'd have to do everything to ensure the system stood by itself as a gaming machine and as such would have had to price match the 360. without their bullet point advantage, they'd have wanted to have the same sticker price as the 360 whatever the loss.spwolf said:
mentalfloss
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Jaffe should actually take advantage of the extra space instead of wasting time on CAC.
My opinion, it would have been foolish not to include it. It is the most obvious advantage over the competitor, it pushes the format helping make it mainstream, it being in the PS3 is the reason why the BD is beating the HD DVD, removing it wouldn't have made the console drastically cheaper, and Sony will make royalties off every one sold. Did it hurt them a bit in the short term? Sure. But long term it will help more than harm.
Mifune said:
I would say that's debateable. With games like MGS4 and Kojima wanting great amounts of space, it is related to games. Storage space does affect games. Not immensly, but there is no doubt a relationship between the two.
But it is not related to Jaffe at all since he is set on making downloadable games. Which sucks because I want a new Twisted Metal: Black, but I can understand why he has decided to move away from big games.
Seems like actually one of the safer comments Jaffe has made. May seem edgy because it goes against the declarations of the hand that feeds him, but it's a statement delivered after the fact of what the PS3 already is. Anybody that's already sold on the BD being part of PS3 isn't really going to be too bothered by his statement. It's true enough after all that the PS3 would have cost less without BD but it's a purely academic exercise at this point and making the declaration really only serves to try to placate those still angsty about the overhead of BD at this time.
Madman said:
I never said BR has nothing to do with gaming. Just that what you noted as reasons for Sony going with BR have nothing to do with gaming.
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I want a cheaper PS3 so boo on Blu-Ray. On the other hand, I want awesome-looking Casino Royale on my new 1080p LCD, so the PS3 is very attractive to me right now. If I had to choose, though, I would take the cheaper video game console.
InterMoniker
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Yeah dude people need to chill on this topic I've seen it on several boards not just here, and all of them are 4+ pages......................Doel said:
But what else do you expect. It's bound to happen when everyone that knows a thing or two about gaming knows starts sounding off. Like Doel said I doubt he's serious Blu-ray is a really good thing. I mean don't you want more content and longer games? Everything slightly negative about Sony is turned into a stupid flame war over nothing.
The only reason he probably said that is A) The PS3 could've come out a lot sooner because there was that Blu-ray diode problem or whatever and B)Cost.
But hey, when you step into the Net your entering an EXTREME Spin Zone.
I dunno I would go for the BD. It's not just for movies Kojima even said he'll be stepping over the 25gb mark and useing a 50gb BD disk.
Beer Monkey
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Out of the 20 hours I spent playing RE4 on the GCN, I can't even remember that ten seconds where I swapped discs. We will surely at some point see some free roaming games that absolutely mandate the larger disc size, but it won't be a Metal Gear game.
Mifune said:
I was implying the advantage for games by saying it is the most obvious advantage for the console. I was trying to be brief and straight to the point, so I decided not to elaborate. To avoid confusion, I will elaborate next time.
My feelings on Blu Ray are that it's a good thing. It gives me the ability to watch movies in HD, and gives Kojima the ability to go crazy with MGS4. I'm not sure what it's long term impact is, but I have no qualms with it being in the PS3.
professor_t
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Raist said:
No, I think it's:
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MightyHedgehog
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Like I said in the original Gametrailers video thread on Sunday when the interview hit the 'net, I think he's smart for thinking this. However, it is hindsight talking. No one was really sure of how Blu Ray and its blue diodes would delay launch and constrain supply, nevermind how much it adds in cost. If PS3 were doing fine, he probably would've never said what he did. Blu Ray is bullshit, IMO. PS3 is the only platform that had it as standard while every other gaming platform has a form of DVD. Next gen gaming doesn't need Blu Ray, but Sony needs it to make Blu Ray win the format war. I've said this shit over a year ago, but it really wouldn't surprise me that Sony is willing to take hefty loss in marketshare to ensure Blu Ray's success...even a distant last place in the console market. Look at the numbers, PS3 has, so far, made Blu Ray a bigger success than HD-DVD...there's no doubt about that. It's also kept PS3 back in its success due to the high price of the system.
Blu-ray is a very expensive choice which is definitely not helping the PS3 that much at this point. But I'm still very confident that we'll see games that are simply impossible to achieve on DVD by 2008.
Jaffe has his opinion, and it's true that Sony is taking a big risk by moving forward with a new and expensive technology. But if we didn't take strides like this, we'd still be with cartridge based systems in the first place. I respect Sony for taking a really gutsy, risky move, although it might hurt them in the end.
I think the main issue is that the advantages of high def disc technology are not immediately apparent with the games that are currently on the system. But as soon as we see heavy hitters like FF coming out on blu-ray, the difference will be much more obvious.
The main problem is convincing studios to use the PS3 as the main skew, because otherwise the unique properties of both the Cell and blueray aren't going to be taken advantage of at all. Sony really needs to provide more incentives for devs to not go multiplatform (which is very difficult), or to at least make the PS3 the lead skew on projects.
God that's a lame joke ... :lol
Jaffe has his opinion, and it's true that Sony is taking a big risk by moving forward with a new and expensive technology. But if we didn't take strides like this, we'd still be with cartridge based systems in the first place. I respect Sony for taking a really gutsy, risky move, although it might hurt them in the end.
I think the main issue is that the advantages of high def disc technology are not immediately apparent with the games that are currently on the system. But as soon as we see heavy hitters like FF coming out on blu-ray, the difference will be much more obvious.
The main problem is convincing studios to use the PS3 as the main skew, because otherwise the unique properties of both the Cell and blueray aren't going to be taken advantage of at all. Sony really needs to provide more incentives for devs to not go multiplatform (which is very difficult), or to at least make the PS3 the lead skew on projects.
professor_t said:
God that's a lame joke ... :lol
professor_t
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KTallguy said:
*bows*
Thank you. I'll be here all week.
Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I think when Jaffe forms his own studio and starts making games for other platforms, he's really going to become persona non grata on these boards. Too bad.
fortified_concept
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Everyone can have their opinion I guess. Without Bluray PS3 would probably cost around 100 less, but personally I was happy to pay the difference knowing that the console is much more future proof. Developers are already struggling with the DVD9s on X360 and it's only the beginning of the generation, so I'd say it was a very good decision.
Btw I'll repeat myself for the lame Oblivion excuse. You can have a game with amplitude of the size of the earth and fit it in a CD if you keep repeating the same models again and again. The key is the variety of the worlds using many different models and characters and not dimensions.
Btw I'll repeat myself for the lame Oblivion excuse. You can have a game with amplitude of the size of the earth and fit it in a CD if you keep repeating the same models again and again. The key is the variety of the worlds using many different models and characters and not dimensions.
MightyHedgehog said:
More like the PS3 is the only platform that has maintained the tradition of increasing the capacity of the storage media past what was available during the past gen.
If you want to break it down, Wii obviously wasn't built around HD graphics or sound, and while technically it's an increase from the gamecube, it's still on the same media that was available last gen(DVDs)...XBOX 360, it could be argued, came out a year too early and thus "had" to go with DVDs. Why should the Playstation 3, a system released in late 2006 and designed to last at least 5-6 years before the next console(and still continuing on beyond that), have been stuck DVDs?
I think the Blu-Ray inclusion was the single BIGGEST mistake of the PS3, it is the MAIN reason why the PS3 is more expensive than it's competition. To say there is short term pain for LONG term gain, only works if Blu-Ray hits the tipping point to mainstream product, I currently give it about 25% chance of doing so....Remember there were ALOT of Betamax's sold before it finally whimpered out.
PowerSmell
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You take that back Jaffe! Take that back! waaaaah
.Sony was smart not to launch earlier with the 360 at the cost of it's Blu-Ray drive... It's clear what MS's intentions were in this situation... They wanted to try to get Sony into a war that they don't usually fight... They wanted to lure Sony into having to develop new hardware every 4 or so years, putting a strain on their resources and market plan that their fanbase enjoys, something that has worked for them for years...
IMHO, MS wasn't ready to launch when they did... The worst built hardware in console history shows this... They didn't troubleshoot/QA it long enough obviously because nobody in their right mind would release something like that which will cost them as much money to repair/replace consoles for consumer warranty repairs... Or, did they know? Originally launching with a 90-day warranty, later after taking massive heat, had to swallow their loses... But they HAD to get that machine out there ASAP, as it was probably their only chance to be competitive... If they knew Sony was going to end up charging as much as they were though, would they have launched a lil' bit later? Who knows...
Blu-Ray will pay off for them in the long run... In both the console, and establishing the format that will replace DVDs... The devs that make games I care about say they like that Blu-Ray is there for them and their games, and that's all that matters to me... And it also seems like it'll help future-proof the machine as well, which is also a great thing...
IMHO, MS wasn't ready to launch when they did... The worst built hardware in console history shows this... They didn't troubleshoot/QA it long enough obviously because nobody in their right mind would release something like that which will cost them as much money to repair/replace consoles for consumer warranty repairs... Or, did they know? Originally launching with a 90-day warranty, later after taking massive heat, had to swallow their loses... But they HAD to get that machine out there ASAP, as it was probably their only chance to be competitive... If they knew Sony was going to end up charging as much as they were though, would they have launched a lil' bit later? Who knows...
Blu-Ray will pay off for them in the long run... In both the console, and establishing the format that will replace DVDs... The devs that make games I care about say they like that Blu-Ray is there for them and their games, and that's all that matters to me... And it also seems like it'll help future-proof the machine as well, which is also a great thing...
fortified_concept
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p3tran said:
I have to admit I haven't seen Shivering isles but from the original I'm not even one bit surprised the game's capacity is so small.
I will say that I think a missed opportunity here for Sony to better drive home the value of BD for games is that they haven't used it to create compilations of 1st party PS2 series on one disc. Get all the Jak games on one disc, all the R&C games on their own disc, GT, SOCOM, etc. Or mix it up and create "Best of" discs.
Musashi Wins! said:
No no... if Devil May Cry and Ace Combat are any indication, he'll have a whole new world of fans open up to him... You know, the one's that didn't give two ****s about his games before, always downplaying that they're not as great as they're made up to be... But now that it's on their box of choice, instantly his games will "turn a new leaf"...
Segata Sanshiro
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J-Rzez said:
:lol
It's a good point, some people really are blind to anything but their own preferred tastes.
MightyHedgehog
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And that means what? Does that mean you won't be getting next-gen games on smaller media discs? No, of course not. The compromise wasn't made within the hardware, as traditionally done, but it was made on price. That price has and will continue to affect PS3's chances of long term success. Next-gen gameplay isn't about strict disc size limitations, because that's thinking purely from a content perspective. The limitations in the capability of the console being reduced (more horsepower, better usability for users and developers) is far more important than how much a single disc can store.OmniGamer said:
Why wouldn't it? What can you really say is absolutely better for games: size of a single disc and the possibility that the user has to swap discs, or making your platform more accessible to more users and therefore more palatable to publishers & developers to risk making games for those users? More users is always a better choice, because, after all, this is still a business.
Next-gen gaming doesn't just mean better-looking. Better playing and looking games don't need Blu Ray-sized discs. The definition of next-gen and what is important to the end-user is already changing. One needs only to look at Wii's or X360's success to understand that. The vast majority of people don't really give a shit about the size of the disc. Oh, they'll spout off the bullet point of how PS3 can have 50GB discs, sure. But they won't care about that once you give them a game and they're having fun with it. Once they're enjoying it, specs mean nothing. What's really preventing those platforms from thriving for the next five to six years? Nothing.
Too many people are suckin' down that bullshit about Blu Ray being necessary for the games of two or more years down the line without even thinking about what they're agreeing with. Someone can come in and say, how are you going to get those next-gen graphics onto a DVD in a year or so? Right...let's wait a year or so and see how PS3 is at the bottom of the hill while the masses are 'suffering' with shitty ol' DVDs on their PC, Wii, and X360, shall we?