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Jim Ryan on Indies 'It was just good to talk about in 2013. It is less relevant now'
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ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
I think that the knee jerk, and nuanced statements are both correct. Outside of the last night and a way out, most indie games can't really stand on their own two feet at a big conference at e3. It's just that people don't really care/want them (every ps+ thread) and indies don't make big splashes anymore since real games are now being released more regularly. Indie devs need to step it up and make us care again.
I don't disageee that there is a slight sameness to sonys big exclusives, but sales figures and review scores show they sell better than "Metroidvania 4th wall smasher deluxe" indie game.I rather have indies than this:
Mushroomer25
Member
They didn't show indie games, creating the narrative that they aren't the place for smaller experiences. They came out in opposition to cross-play, creating the narrative that they aren't interested in bringing players together.
They had damaging stories about backwards compatibility in the air, as they attempted to sell people on another re-release of Shadow of the Colossus.
Being 'For the players' is a narrative they established at the start of this gen, as the pro-consumer alternative to Microsoft's unpopular policies. Boosting awareness of indies and supporting things like used games. As sales rose on the back of this initiative, they're starting to betray it in favor of more corporate policies.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Aaaaand here we go this place has really gone down manI rather have indies than this:
FeenixRising
Banned
I rather have indies than this:
Trees?
FinalStageBoss
Banned
I rather have indies than this:
Lol
Clarkus Darkus
Member
I rather have indies than this:
You're barking mad.
Katana_Strikes
Member
I rather have indies than this:
Why not both?
Playstation exclusives have a very "similar" feel. And denying it is just avoiding the truth.
As someone that LOVES Horizon, it is rather evident. I thought the zombie game was some kind of Last of Us prequel.
(nature is my favorite part)
I thought the parity clause was making it impossible for you to not make your game.
I rather have indies than this:
I don't get it.
Liliana Eileen
Member
Okay that one got me lol
I rather have indies than this:
Absolutely, why would Sony want to show off a promising new IP and some of the most well-regarded, best selling games and franchises in the industry, not available on other platforms, when they could show an indie sizzle reel.
Well that "feel" you're talking about, has been some of the most critically acclaimed games, both by audience and by critics (reviewers) and they have apparently sold pretty good too. I mean, why would they otherwise keep making those "kinds" of games if they don't sell well enough?
I rather have indies than this:
I would rather have both but ok.
Mushroomer25
Member
Savage.I rather have indies than this:
Primethius
Banned
zenspider
Member
I suppose, but then why not show some trailers on stage like Microsoft did? I agree that for enthusiasts the distinction is becoming less meaningful - what's does it even mean to call A Way Out an indie game?
I'm particularly baffled by Undertale not being on stage. That's a pretty big deal, had a fun trailer, and would have played well with the crowd.
In truth I believe it has to do with the No Man's Sky backlash more than anything.
Backfoggen
Banned
I rather have indies than this:
Agreed.
Psychoward
Banned
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The title is pretty crappy taken out of context but with the context it makes sense.
The relevance part is a bit callous, but I can't disagree about 20 indie titles in one sizzle reel. Made no sense, and only a few would stand out (Mother Russia Bleeds). I know I'm still mad as shit about Secret Ponchos, though. Holy SHIT, what a fucking turd.
EDIT: I mean, seriously. Not only does this crap cherrypick games, it also cherrypicks scenes from within them. LMFAO!
Disingenuous shitpost.I rather have indies than this:
EDIT: I mean, seriously. Not only does this crap cherrypick games, it also cherrypicks scenes from within them. LMFAO!
Blackleg-sanji1
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I can do the same for Nintendo games and that would be incredibly disrespectful to those games and how they play and the different characters and the people working on them.
Wow.
Hi, I'd also like to cherry pick
Boo, narratives can't be pushed with this !
So I am not allowed to say anything negative? Yes, the games are all different, but they have striking similarities. Must we all agree on one thing?
YuriLowell
Member
Sony needs to be a lid on this guy, quickly.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
You cherry picked specific pictures to try and push your narrative but by all means act like a victim
mysteriousmage09
Member
The full quote is perfectly fine, especially in contrast to the stupid shit Jim has been saying this past week. The amount of people that failed to read passed the thread title is absolutely out of this World.
You can absolutely say something negative but you are always going to be called out for being as wrong as you are.
We all agree that indie developers must be shown the proper respect and deference by a platform-holder currently dominating the market. Not doing so is a display of profound disrespect, and threatens the very viability of independent development.
Nah, it seems like I am being attacked for thinking that all Playstation exclusives have a similar feel. I still play them, but they definitely have a similar core.
Just because some people on this forum think I am crazy, doesn't make it true.
Indeed and it seems like Xbox is catering to the indie developers a bit more right now. At the end of the day, I don't want arrogant Sony back.
get2sammyb
Member
I rather have indies than this:
Oh no... This thread is devolving into self-parody.
Liliana Eileen
Member
You're one to talk.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
I rather have indies than this:
In the end, all games look alike.
You're right and Sony has led the way with indies this entire generation.
Sounds like you are now just moving goal posts.
Demoskinos
Member
Don't let Jim talk anymore Sony. Please.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Don't even know who you are never seen you and I'm never been called out for shitposting so keep it going
Primethius
Banned
You literally said: "denying it is avoiding the truth."
And now you're acting like a victim for having a different opinion. Fucking LOL.
Does all SP only games feel the same to you? Have you played David Cage games? Bloodborne? Gravity Rush? Yakuza? Persona? Resogun? Nioh?
The Last One
Member
I rather have indies than this:
Good for you.
Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it a shitpost.
"I don't like your opinion and therefore it's a shitpost."
Calling something a shitpost is just trying to shutdown a discussion you don't like.
Either way, we are veering off topic. Sony needs to work with indie developers more in my opinion.
Yes, of course all souls games are similar, but I also love them all. Just because something is similar doesn't make it bad.
The Sony games aren't bad.
kiunchbb
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The title is very misleading, the quote wasn't even that bad.