Uno Venova
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Jim Ryan on Indies 'It was just good to talk about in 2013. It is less relevant now'
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Backfoggen
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All exclusives is too far. Look at stuff like Yakuza, Nier, Nioh alone this year. They couldn't be more apart.
But there is definitely a subset of TLOU-inspired games that nowadays just make me snooze.
There's always a chance, can't really discuss anything further. I've always said that having my personal preference of console shouldn't matter when making games, because that's extremely petty.
It did when I originally intended to release it. I haven't been keeping up with the policies now but I hope they've changed when I get to the console versions later this year.
What the hell? Seriously?
I get more excited to see what indie games are coming to consoles than I do for most of the AAA stuff! It was the reason why I enjoyed Microsoft's conference so much more this year! Indies aren't just indie games anymore, they're the next wave of game developers and they're starting to make stuff that even competes with these AAA releases.
Like, I know this dude is an idiot and shouldn't be doing interviews or whatever, but I really hope this attitude isn't pervasive elsewhere at Sony.
I get more excited to see what indie games are coming to consoles than I do for most of the AAA stuff! It was the reason why I enjoyed Microsoft's conference so much more this year! Indies aren't just indie games anymore, they're the next wave of game developers and they're starting to make stuff that even competes with these AAA releases.
Like, I know this dude is an idiot and shouldn't be doing interviews or whatever, but I really hope this attitude isn't pervasive elsewhere at Sony.
I rather have indies than this:
Crapgamer?! Is it you?!
Get out of here with your awful hot takes. Everyone knows that Trunks is the superior half of Gotenks.
It is the truth that a lot of games have similar inspirations. How is it not?
Exactly, you know what I mean.
test_account
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So the guy said that they focus on other things instead of indies in the press conferenace, even leaving out stuff like Gran Turismo, but still say that indies are important to them. Yet this becomes a big issue due to misunderstanding. No wonder theres many conflicts around the world.
How do you know they need to work with indie devs more? PS4 has multiple times been called Indiestation 4 because of the heavy magnitude of indie games that are releasing.
Yes of course they're reaching out to devs can be better. However, just because they didn't show a big indie reel at their E3 conf doesn't mean Sony has stopped caring about them. They apparently worked pretty hard to get Undertale on PS4/Vita.
waitwhat42
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The Gran Turismo quote was fucking bullshit.
This one isnt that bad.
This one isnt that bad.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Lol this should be ban worthy no one likes kid trunks Xp
zenspider
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They were talking about this on the Waypoint podcast - it's not a knock on the games themselves, it's that they are all presented very similarly. They referred to it as Sony's "house style", and personally I think it's compelling, but I do think that Days Gone in particular covers so much of the Vin diagram of Sony's AAA exclusive portfolio that it muddies the bigger picture at a glance.
Well, I only go by what I see. E3 is the best way to spread the "company message" and it seems like MS is more friendly with indies.
deadscreensky
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Apologies if this has been said already (the Console Warz stuff is making the thread hard to read through), but I strongly disagree with Ryan's idea that indies don't benefit even from very brief video showings. One of the hardest things for any indie game is marketing, getting the word out there, and even 20 seconds in front of that enormous audience watching E3 can be a huge deal. It's obviously not the exact same thing, but companies spend literally millions of dollars on 30 second ads for the Superbowl. Awareness of a product matters, and even a little can help.
mysteriousmage09
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First few? People still aren't reading shit.
Because they didn't have enough first party to show, so they asked third party and indie devs for help to fill their conf?
Also, I don't like the word "seems", like there's nothing to back it up, just feelings.
killatopak
Gold Member
fuck you jim ryan.
Uno Venova
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That's not what you said but if you're already backtracking I guess there's no point in trying to argue the original point.
I rather have indies than this:
But Xbox and PC gamers would not mind having these titles okay. You might as well as Tomb Raider, Mordor, Ouantum Break, Mad Max, Sleeping Dogs, etc to that list.
Iva Demilcol
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I rather have indies than this:
Hi, I'd also like to cherry pick
Just realized the third game on the first pic was The Last of Us D:
SocksAndShoes
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LOL. Absolutely not. That's why they have like 1/3rd the indie output.
Also Sony doesn't have a stupid parity clause.
Critical discourse resulting from a thorough reading of the full OP.
hanspampel
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I rather have indies than this:
now i finally get the reference about "they all look the same anyway"
Nothing wrong with what he is saying, just a terrible thread title...
It makes sense that at this point if you can't dedicate the time to show off a indie game off well you might as well not have a bunch of them in a 10 game 60sec show reel where all you get is a title and a moment of footage.
It makes sense that at this point if you can't dedicate the time to show off a indie game off well you might as well not have a bunch of them in a 10 game 60sec show reel where all you get is a title and a moment of footage.
RedAssedApe
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I rather have indies than this:
you're in the minority. if that were the case we wouldn't have that monthly shit on ps+ thread
Did you read the full OP? I'll PM you $20 in angel farts if you did.
killatopak
Gold Member
you better start farting.
Fredrik
Member
They're just using the same third person perspective. Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4, Days Gone are completely different games in every other way. Saying they're the same is like saying Halo, Metroid Prime and Skyrim are the same games.
I agree with your point that indie games definitely have an important place on the platform though. Resogun was my favorite PS4 game until The Witness arrived. Ori is still my favorite MS exclusive. Indies are super-important and should be given the prime time spot at these events.
On a serious point, I think part of the value of having indie titles on-stage for events like E3 is that they have divergent art styles, partly just from practical limitations and partly because of the flexibility you get in a lower-stakes budget environment.
As much as I think you can make a shit-post out of this comment, I think saying that Sony's tentpole first-party games have had their art styles converge in the current gen has a firm basis in reality. It's little to do with cherry-picking scenes; the combination of landing on a successful range of rendering tech matched to the platform and shared studio talent has made a lot of games feel familiar (even when they offer very different experiences in gameplay). It also means some of the most beautiful results in the business.
And to be fair, Jennetics trying to make an exagerrated counter-point to E92 M3, I literally though the third pic was from Uncharted 4.
As much as I think you can make a shit-post out of this comment, I think saying that Sony's tentpole first-party games have had their art styles converge in the current gen has a firm basis in reality. It's little to do with cherry-picking scenes; the combination of landing on a successful range of rendering tech matched to the platform and shared studio talent has made a lot of games feel familiar (even when they offer very different experiences in gameplay). It also means some of the most beautiful results in the business.
And to be fair, Jennetics trying to make an exagerrated counter-point to E92 M3, I literally though the third pic was from Uncharted 4.
Oh dear... embarassing af.
Fallout-with-swords
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Are people really freaking out about this? He's talking about how showing indies in a press conference isn't necessary anymore because it doesn't show benefit the games to show them off in 30 second chunks. It was important in 2013 because they were showing people they would games that often would only show up on PC.
gregor7777
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This guy is the worst.
CharminUltra
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Why do you have TLOU twice on there?Hi, I'd also like to cherry pick
I'm not an angel but here you go. Your response seemed a bit emotional. But as promised!
Lighter than air!
RedAssedApe
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Lys Skygge
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Uncharted is set in a jungleI rather have indies than this:
God of War is set in Scandinavia
The Last of Us is mostly set in urban environments
Horizon features a vast desert and a jungle area
Days Gone is the only one that seems a bit too similar to The Last of Us, but I'm willing to hold off on forming an opinion until I play it.
The only similar things these games share is that they're third person and feature great characters and stories (with God of War and Days Gone still up in the air on story/characters)
Dedicating a minute or two to show the variety and creativity of indie games - even if you're just showing a brief snippet of footage - is never a waste of time. Completely wrongheaded approach to a platform.
Neither Sony nor Nintendo gave any time to their indies this year and that's a damn shame.
Neither Sony nor Nintendo gave any time to their indies this year and that's a damn shame.
socksfelloff
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Jim Ryan is the new Don Patrick
There's a Spongebob mash-up coming.
The full quote seems fine? But man, they could have used some indies to break up the E3 repeats they showed. Their E3 was really dull. Apparently they had better stuff shown during their Playstation Live thing, even Japanese games like Gundam Versus, which could have used some stage presence to get some hype going about that game.