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Jimmy Fallon calls the Wii U "a Wii add-on".
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And posts like yours just keep on adding to it, thus making it longer.
lol, do people even realize the irony when they make posts like this?
You can't deny that these look alike
But I don't even think thats the main issue, the issue is their emphasis on the controller and a name that doesn't scream sequel but rather revision.
I know this is a page ago, and I really don't feel like posting in this thread where the debate is just going on loop.
But I just wanted the Point out that the exact same thing happened with the NES
that was released at the end of the lifespan when
The Super NES was coming out.
This isn't new for Nintendo, they're going to advertise the thing as the successor to the Wii, sure the console looks like the Wii, but the controller is a completely different situation. Unless the average joe is as retarded as grandma thinking Mario can play on xbox, or where the Sony Playtendo is, I'm pretty sure they'll know its a different system.
If a kid wants one, the parents are going to ask what the Wii U is from the kid, and chances are he'll tell them its a new system.
I know this is a page ago, and I really don't feel like posting in this thread where the debate is just going on loop.
But I just wanted the Point out that the exact same thing happened with the NES
that was released at the end of the lifespan when
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The Super NES was coming out.
This isn't new for Nintendo, they're going to advertise the thing as the successor to the Wii, sure the console looks like the Wii, but the controller is a completely different situation.
The redesigned NES and the SNES looked like entirely different systems though, had different colors, were advertised differently, had completely different packaging for the systems themselves as well as the games, etc.
I wouldn't compare something like that to the situation here... or at least say that it's similar.
What if the kid him/herself thinks it's just a tablet controller?
Agent Unknown
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lol Does Bgamer even realize people stopping by to watch and remark at the sight of a trainwreck doesn't make said trainwreck any less than what it already is? A trainwreck. Now are you going to reply with another one of your forced, pretend oblivious "lol People just need to relax" acts, or jump into not-so-relaxed-Bgamer mode and ask me to "Stop insulting" your thread or will you use one of your brilliant little circular questions like, "So, are you saying all trainwrecks are really trainwrecks and that everyone who stops by a trainwreck won't be able to keep themselves from stopping to talk about it?" Pretty good breakdown of 99% of your ultra repetitive posts in here I'd say.
So why are you saying there's a problem with the Wii U?
The Wii has a remote control for the controller, The Wii U uses a controller with a big screen on it.
They are a lot different compared to the redesigned NES vs. the SNES, both had a very similar controller, and the system was almost the same but different, in this case the NES one was more round and had different button placements, while the SNES was more blocky. It's exactly like the Wii and Wii U situation, only the Wii was the blocky one.
As for packaging, that's up in the air right now from Nintendo, Nintendoland may or may not be included.
Well I'd have no idea how the kid found out about the thing and assumed it was just a add-on. 95% of outlets I know described the Wii U as a new system.
anyways I'm done here, enjoy debating in a circle.
ClovingWestbrook
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Referred to where? Im not saying Nintendo wont have commercials advertizing it as new, I'm saying parents will still be confused by it when they go to buy the pad.
mind blown
Agent Unknown
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What's with the "Endlessly Confused and Mentally Defective Parent Defense Force" obsession? Seriously? It's a new Nintendo system launching with a new Mario. Some people will be confused but many will get past it and still buy it. Unless all mainstream Nintendo consumers remain eternally confused, this thread and your posts will then likely be added to Terrell's wall 'o shame. End of story.
So it doesn't make the "trainwreck" even longer?
LOL. What is wrong with you? Seriously.
And pretty ironic that you are calling my posts repetitive when your posts in this thread have been you either saying how I've been in the thread or you posting a one sentence reply with a gif.
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Because... the controller =/= the system. Therefore (again) people may think that it's just a new controller especially due to the name that's similar to previous Wii accessories.
No. How can you ignore the different styles of branding, the different colors & buttons the systems, the fact that the system itself was the selling point in both cases, or the completely different style of packaging?
No it's not exactly like the situation we are talking about here.
If anything, it would make more sense to compare it to what happened with the 3DS but even that isn't exactly the same.
Okay then. I was just stating it since it may happen in some cases.
Haha, had to get that shot in there before you left huh?
Yeah a new mario that looks pretty similar to what's already on the Wii.
And again, it was never about "all being confused", it's about the confusion possibly being greater than usual.
It's not necessarily about them buying it... it's about them NOT buying it due to them thinking it's just a tablet for their Wii and nothing more.
Heh, again, it was never really about "in store situations".
ClovingWestbrook
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I'm honored to be added to 'Terrell's wall of shame' if there is such a thing. I love how its so difficult for some Nintendo fans to just admit
That the name and near exact likeness of the Wii wasnt a good decision to help dofferentiate it. The defense force is amazing.
Agent Unknown
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Well, thanks for at least agreeing with me that the thread is a trainwreck.
Another phony "lol" post with a dig? Best you can do at this point?
This is NeoGaf, home of gifs. You should be glad I'm posting some funny pics in here to lighten the mood.
So you troll people in here for staying but then you troll someone for choosing to leave? Classy.
ClovingWestbrook
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Well, thanks for at least agreeing with me that the thread is a trainwreck.
Another phony "lol" post with a dig? Best you can do at this point?
This is NeoGaf, home of gifs. You should be glad I'm posting some funny pics in here to lighten the mood in here.
So you troll people in here for staying but then you troll someone for choosing to leave? Classy.
You sure do take videogames seriously. Making a videogame thread personal is quite sad.
Well, thanks for at least agreeing with me that the thread is a trainwreck.
No, I actually don't agree. There has been many good points as well as suggestions made by people.
If anything, posts like your's are making this thread become "a trainwreck".
How else am I suppose to respond to nonsense that's turning an interesting discussion into something with in-depth personal attacks of members?
It's actually a bit scary to me to be honest.
Heh...
So pointing out something that wasn't necessary in a post is trolling?
What in the world....
Agent Unknown
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Right here:
Oh now, now. Let's not go down the cranky and tired "I don't get why it's so hard for certain fans to get such and such" road while you cling tooth and nail to soccer mom apocalypse.
You sure do take Jimmy Fallon's mistake, CNN and soccer moms serious. Making the use of the letter U over the word NEW and the number 2 something personal and taking up some mantle on an Internet forum for confused consumers is quite sad.
Anyone that is interested in graphic fidelity and online functionality NOW would have been back in 2006 when they had a choice between a Wii that didn't offer a substantial case for either of those things and a 360 that did (and let's not pretend that the internet hadn't already exploded into mainstream culture by then and that its importance has increased exponentially since then, the only thing that's changed in demand regarding the internet is our desire to consume it on the go).
Are we seriously going to sit here and say that the Wii wasn't sold entirely on the premise of the Wii Remote and its conceptual additions to gameplay? As I said, anyone who gives a shit about online and graphics would have bought a 360 back in 2006, when it was an established console with a larger library and a huge marketing push which advertised those features. That people chose to buy a Wii instead indicates those are very secondary concerns.
The hardcore market knows what it is, so this argument hinges entirely on the casual market, who overwhelmingly voted with their dollars on what is important to them. New methods of play are what sold them, that's what Nintendo is pushing.
If anyone is disinterested in WiiU, it's because they don't find Nintendo's value proposition on tablet gaming to be of value to them, accessory or otherwise. Any other features that could interest them in buying would very quickly show that there is a new console involved upon ANY reading into the subject.
ClovingWestbrook
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im not the one that was getting personal because someone dosagreed with me. You take this tread personal and have made it seem you have difficulty separating someone calling out a corporation from calling you out. But continue if you must.
Agent Unknown
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Uh huh. Stop trying to project this on to me and stop trying to throw things off track with the sad "You're taking this too personally!" line. It's obvious the whole reason we're posting is because people are calling out a corporation (Nintendo). As I've pointed out before, I've called them out myself recently:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=38914978
Nintendo obviously still has some work to do on Wii U marketing. Just that both sides disagree as to how much and one side thinks the other is possibly making it to be a bit more of a crisis than it really is in the long run.
shinra-bansho
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The Wii U basically addresses this anyway, so it's somewhat a moot point, but I think that between 2006 and today graphical fidelity has become more important with the adoption of HDTV. At the time of the Wii's launch it was below 20% (US market) and it's now ~70+%. I would attribute part of the Wii's decline since it peaked in 2008, to this HD adoption.
I think most everyone would agree that the Wii sold based on the premise of motion gaming. Ergo, I fully understand them pushing the tablet-based controller a lot - in doing so though they can create brand confusion. And people have pointed out it could have been easily avoided.
No one is saying that this will cause the demise of the Wii U though, nor that it won't be rectified in future marketing anyway. The success of the Wii U will likely hinge almost entirely on how well the market that fueled the Wii's success react to the touch/asymmetric/NFC USPs of the Wii U. My money is personally on, less well than the reaction to motion gaming, but time will tell and I may have to eat my fedora.
No. That's not true. You can't make a statement like that for "everyone/anyone" back then.
Since 2006, online console gaming has grown in popularity with features becoming bigger and better, thus getting more mainstream attention.
Also in terms of graphics, HDTV's are now pretty much the norm. That wasn't true back in 2006.
Haha, really?
So Xbox live and it's features and popularity are exactly the same now as it was back in 2006?
It was sold on that yes, but at the same time that was entirely different from anything else at the time in terms of that, as well as how they branded the system (in terms of style and content).
So it's impossible for people to have changed what they find to be important in a game console 6-7 years later?
"New methods of play" was completely different from how consoles were advertised back in 2006 though. Plus, again, that was back in 2006.
Since then some may have moved on to something like the kinect, noticed the features in xbox live, and possibly started becoming interested in online features and/or gaming. Or they may have possibly noticed the improved graphics in the games and started to find that as being an important quality.
Don't see why that's so far-fetched.
Exactly, so why are you against me saying that Nintendo should show off things outside of the Tablet a bit more?
Wouldn't it be better to "kill two birds with one stone" and show off the Tablet as well as things outside of that in similar fashion and frequency?
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Not really. The last page or so though, maybe (haha).
That must be it then, because, wow.
Nintendo uses events like E3 and reactions on online social media to gauge what their approach to their ad campaigns should be. They pay millions to firms whose only purpose is this kind of market research. If there is general confusion, or some other kind of perception which doesn't help them, then their ads will be the way in which they address these issues. So until we've actually seen those ads, I would hold off on trying to guess what people are thinking in the future.
There's nothing wrong with having a "wait and see" approach.
However, (as I said before) I'm interested in logo design, branding & advertising. I like talking about things like this.
Agent Unknown
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Oh, grow up. People pointedly replying and disagreeing with you aren't "personal attacks." It's too bad your little Jimmy Fallon on-air mistake thread hasn't turned out to be the easy going free ride of fun and laughs you thought it'd be when people actually decide to disagree with you and discuss another angle on it? What a shame.
Haha Please.
Does anyone really worry about Wii U sales if it's perceived as an add-on?
The controller isn't going to sell separately (it will probably come with a Wii U game down the road like WiiPlay)
The balance board sold 43Million world wide, which frankly is competitive with PS3/Xbox360.
The controller isn't going to sell separately (it will probably come with a Wii U game down the road like WiiPlay)
The balance board sold 43Million world wide, which frankly is competitive with PS3/Xbox360.
Haunted
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I certainly don't think it's a big problem right now, since the launch is still a couple months out.
We'll see if they specifically address this in their marketing campaign once it launches, or if "just" a regular launch campaign with TV ads etc will be enough to scatter these early misconceptions.
We'll see if they specifically address this in their marketing campaign once it launches, or if "just" a regular launch campaign with TV ads etc will be enough to scatter these early misconceptions.
I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the in-depth post you made about the way I was posting and responding to what others were saying.
Agent Unknown
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Bingo. The "magical add-on of confusion that only comes with a new console which will make everybody too mad to buy the system when they find out it's not really an add-on."
WrenchNinja
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How come you didn't bring up the 3DS reactions and how amazingly successful a good portion of people thought it was going to be at the start?
bigtroyjon
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No, it didn't, Wii Fit+ sales are not all balance board sales. And 43 million is 50% less than the 360/PS3 so by your logic, the PS3 and 360 is more than competitive with what the Wii hardware sold.
Anticitizen One
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I must be on neogaf because all I see is nerds arguing over nonsense!
I don't think the logo/branding is any more confusing than Xbox 360 was. When you get down to what matters, it's the games. Nintendo needs to communicate that they have new compelling experiences for people in store because of the Wii U Gamepad and "HD graphics". Whether or not it is a console or an add-on is immaterial; the people who would be 'confused' aren't going to be less confused if they find out it also includes its own console.
Sorry for being interested in advertising & branding!
I'll try to act "cool" (though I can't see how that's possible on a video game forum lol). Also, I think having discussions over video games can be considered "nonsense" regardless...
The 360 had a completely different logo, different style of branding & advertising, completely different look to the system itself from it's predecessor, etc.
Agreed.
Yeah, again I'm not saying that they will be "more confused". However, the discussion itself was about some people dismissing the Wii U due to them thinking it's just a Wii Tablet, and/or people being surprised at the price (due to them thinking it's just a tablet) and therefore refusing to get it (though we have more so been talking about the former).
I'm not against the idea. They are doing exactly that. This thread is just jumping the gun in the worst way.
As I have said repeatedly, this is a non-issue because it's being spoken of extremely prematurely and won't last under any circumstances for a multitude of reasons. Heck, Nintendo spent half of an entire pre-E3 address discussing features that had NOTHING TO DO with the Gamepad. An address that happened within the past 2 weeks, which we're making conclusions about it "not being enough". I mean, it's only been 2 WEEKS since E3, a little perspective on that is a bit necessary and hasn't been taken into account whatsoever.
My point is and always has been that if we're going to look at things prematurely as we are, we are required to base any assumptions made purely on past situations that have already happened, not hypothetical present-day ones with multitudes of unknown variables that aren't being qualified by anything.
For instance... you say that graphic fidelity and online features are of primary importance to consumers now that wasn't present when the Wii was sold... OK, I can concede to that, but if that's the case, consumers aren't likely to have been sitting around waiting for Nintendo to announce something, because they're not like hardcore gamers. Considering the influx of 360 sales, the numbers dictate that those consumers who care for such features already bought a Kinect bundle to have those features without having to sacrifice motion control gaming as a consequence, and any hope Nintendo has of marketing to them is GONE well before the WiiU was even formally announced, as a casual game consumer doesn't have the same level of hardware turnover that we do. They've made their console hardware investment already, and such consumers are to be considered off the table. And once again, that leaves people who are interested in gameplay advancements. If the WiiU Gamepad isn't selling them on its potential, it doesn't matter if it's as part of an accessory or new hardware, they just simply won't buy it one way or another.
Are you adding PS3 and 360 together? 360 just announced they hit 67M sales of their console world wide in april, they also announced that Kinect has sold 19m world wide.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/28953 the balance board device sold 43m.
10th January 2012 - Nintendos Wii Balance Board has been awarded a prestigious, new Guinness World Record for The best-selling personal weighing device.
PS3 sold about ~63m world wide. I think balance board coming a bit later with only a couple games designed for it is pretty good all things considered.
bigtroyjon
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Umm, read your own link, might stop that annoying habit you have of making up facts
And I have no idea what Kinect has to do with your statement. 43 million is the amount of Wii fit and Wii Fit+ software sold, not balance boards. And the 360 has sold 50% more than 43 million, even if that number was balance boards. Guess what has sold 50% more than the 360, the Wii.
yes which happened by november 2010, good job reading the article though!, it went on to say Wii fit plus has sold over 10m more units since then, to reach the 43m units now sold world wide.
bigtroyjon
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Wii Fit and Wii Fit+ software(not balance boards) has combined to sell 43 million as of March 31 2012, I like to deal with sourced facts, not the made up bullshit you specialize in.
Edit-Notice the date in your article? It's not 2010
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/01/wii_balance_board_enters_record_books
and that was January of this year, since then it has sold about 1m more. or 43m world wide. EVEN if people do believe Wii U game pad is an add on, it could easily go on to sell a competitive number of consoles, and then there is the millions of gamers who will know it's a new console. This marketing "problem" doesn't exist, and certainly doesn't mean anything until Wii U is marketed later this year.
Wouldn't say anyone's jumping the gun. They currently do focus on the tablet more than anything else that's new about the Wii U.
Heh, I wouldn't call it a non-issue. It's a possible issue if Nintendo doesn't change they way they show off the Wii U.
I never said it "wasn't enough". I just said what they did at E3 can't easily transfer over into a 2-3 minute TV ad.
But things were very different 7 years ago.
Again, I'm not saying "this will 100% surely happen"... I'm just saying that there's a possibility that it can cause confusion based on the current mix-ups I and others have seen/heard.
I never said primary importance. I said that I can see more people finding those qualities to be more important now in comparison to how they possibly viewed them 6-7 years ago.
No, I wouldn't say it's that cut and dry. You can't just cut people into groups that easily.
Bingo.
That's exactly what I'm saying, which is why the same type of people may be interested in things about the Wii U outside of the tablet itself.
Yes, and Durango is actually just a Kinect sensor with an HDMI cable.
Basically ignoring how Wii add ons have sold up to this point, and the fact that Wii U hasn't started a marketing campaign, showing up on talk shows and being announced and revealed at E3 is hardly any indication of how TV spots and other ads will show off the Wii U when it gets closer to launch. The big problem with the whole add on dooming Wii U before it launches; Is there is almost ZERO public mind share of the console, jimmy fallon had said it was a new console as well, so it doesn't point to every viewer thinking it is an add on coming.
And since it won't sell separately at launch, I don't understand why this is a problem in the first place.
And since it won't sell separately at launch, I don't understand why this is a problem in the first place.
I doubt it's going to cost more than, say, an iPad - which is what most people think of when mentioning tablets. In fact, I'm sure it'll be quite cheap in comparison. They just need to make sure the casuals understand that it is a wireless tablet that magically connects to an HDTV, lets them use the Wiimotes/Balance Boards they already have, and that it's got fun looking games made especially for it. Even if they're confused about what exactly it is, it's not going to matter to casuals or parents. Wii games still work on it, and VC purchases will transfer over, so no harm no foul. Also, the ads for 3rd party titles should make it clear that it isn't just a Wii (and the core gamers those games are for likely already know that).
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