RustyNails
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Dennis Miller is just a mean douchebag. In fact, every conservative "humorist" is a mean douchebag.
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Jon Stewart gives no f**ks anymore, goes all in on Fox, institutional conservatism
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PhoenixDark
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It's definitely true that Fox News and many on the far right have done a very impressive job of crafting every issue imaginable as a battle between left and right. American Sniper loses at the Oscars? Clearly the only reason is left wing bias! Side note: that argument reminds me of the asinine "Selma didn't get nominated=Oscars are racist" arguments from certain people.
It really boils down to the fostering of a nonstop victim persecution complex. Anything that doesn't go their way is a sign of bias. Polling science shows Mitt Romney is going to lose the election? The polls are biased, let's make our own (unscientific) polls! Vast majority of scientists believe climate change is real? Let's create our own science! History books don't love America enough? Let's create our own history books! It becomes an endless downward cycle/hivemind that really makes the party look stupid to many people.
They're caught in a catch-22. Midterm elections favor them due to older/conservative voters voting more than less conservative demographics. Yet general elections don't favor them because the white vote % is falling, younger voters lean to the left, as does every minority group in the country. So they win midterms with far right platforms, and then think they can win general elections. And then they lose the general election/presidency.
It really boils down to the fostering of a nonstop victim persecution complex. Anything that doesn't go their way is a sign of bias. Polling science shows Mitt Romney is going to lose the election? The polls are biased, let's make our own (unscientific) polls! Vast majority of scientists believe climate change is real? Let's create our own science! History books don't love America enough? Let's create our own history books! It becomes an endless downward cycle/hivemind that really makes the party look stupid to many people.
They're caught in a catch-22. Midterm elections favor them due to older/conservative voters voting more than less conservative demographics. Yet general elections don't favor them because the white vote % is falling, younger voters lean to the left, as does every minority group in the country. So they win midterms with far right platforms, and then think they can win general elections. And then they lose the general election/presidency.
While I appreciate the point he's making about Fox News and it's associated ideologues as well as the ruinous reputation they've sown of the greater republican party, I wouldn't necessarily extend it to conservatism/libertarianism as a whole, that he does really only serves to invalidate the very notion of them which he's accusing; there are reasonable republican politicians with well considered conservative mindsets, it's just a shame that they seem to be exceptions instead of the rule.
not psycho
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I think the bolded part is false.
The guy who was recalled moved to Denver afterward. The Daily Show went to Denver to interview him, and did the street segment there as well.
I think it was a big enough mistake to deserve an on-air correction though. The statistics they gave (most people in Colorado supported the laws, 80% of eligible voters didn't vote) are all true. They probably considered the street segment to be purely for comedy (it also had fake angry mobs chasing Jason Jones around), with the true statistics being the substance of the report. But it undeniably creates a false impression that the voting was widespread, rather than restricted to the (more conservative) Colorado Springs.
On the whole, I think the Daily Show does a better job than most other news sources in accuracy. Certainly much better than Fox news. There was a study on that actually. NPR listeners were the most accurately informed. Daily Show was better than CNN and MSNBC.
Fox News viewers scored worse than "no news". It removes accurate knowledge instead of increasing it.
megamerican
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I'm pretty sure I've seen the "Jon Stewart takes on / destroys / slams Fox News" news pieces about every other day for the past four years or so. It's gotten really stale, and when so much of his material comes from them he should be glad they're around.
I absolutely loved the Daily Show during the 2000 / 2004 presidential cycles. Since 2008 there's been a pretty distinct shift from making fun of the actual politicians, and rather going after the media. I'm not saying he's wrong but he's been beating this same dead horse for 5+ years now and it's not getting any funnier, it's just comes off as bitter.
I absolutely loved the Daily Show during the 2000 / 2004 presidential cycles. Since 2008 there's been a pretty distinct shift from making fun of the actual politicians, and rather going after the media. I'm not saying he's wrong but he's been beating this same dead horse for 5+ years now and it's not getting any funnier, it's just comes off as bitter.
Christopher
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The agenda against Fox News is nuts.
Nappuccino
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I mean, if the problem doesn't go away . . .
shadowsdarknes
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It's not strong enough.
When "the most trusted source for news" continuously proves to be full of shit day in and day out, they need to be exposed for their lies.
There's no agenda other than to set the record straight.
Autumn Wind
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I can think of one conservative comedian besides Dennis Miller and that would be Nick DiPaolo who has been on Howard Stern and Opie and Anthony. I've also seen him live. He's pretty good.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
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They lie. Constantly. Repeatedly. On a daily basis. Truth does not matter to them. Megyn Kelly, Sean Hannity, the entire Fox and Friends crew--the vast majority of them have no integrity whatsoever. If this was some niche show, it wouldn't be a big deal. Unfortunately, it is a colossal and popular news organization that influences literally millions of people who don't want to do research on their own. It is doing a huge disservice to the country both presently and for the future.
gutter_trash
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Some of us who are old enough before cable news, we remember how it was with Ted Koppel, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw era. Before CNN before Fix News. We used to have regular news.
Fox News is a cancer and it changed news as we knew it. it is a perversion of news.
Today it's just news entertainment
Fox News is a cancer and it changed news as we knew it. it is a perversion of news.
Today it's just news entertainment
If by 'nuts' you mean empirically backed up by data from various independent studies about the veracity of the information in their news broadcasts, then sure.
And yes, MSNBC is just as nuts for the left. It does not make Fox News better to say that.
megamerican
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It'll likely go away naturally over time when cable is dropped more and more, and their aging demos fade away. If anything Stewart's attacks just feed them material back and forth, each with their own persecution complex.
Banana Aeon
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So facts that Fox News constantly lie, misinform, and deceive viewers are part of some agenda against Fox News?
Maybe it's because I don't have cable and can watch whatever catches my interest, but honestly Oliver moving on to his own show on HBO is the best outcome. As much as I liked the Daily Show, I just think that Last Week Tonight is a better, higher quality show that is surprisingly more effective at bringing attention to important issues (probably because the most important segments are available on Youtube), while retaining it's satirical tone.
Gotta love that persecution complex.
Amentallica
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Joking right now? You're giving credibility to Fox News?
You must live in a mirror universe.
Hale-XF11
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Oh man, it's nice to know that someone else remembers when news on television used to be actual news. It was a whole other world back then. Investigative reporting was much more prominent and respected. Now, not so much with all the made-up fluff going around.
Because America has freedom of expression.
benjipwns
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1. First Amendment.
B. It'd be totalitarian and we're trying to pretend we're still a liberal and republican society here.
Ah, yes, the good ol days of "real" news when upstanding men just told it how it was and journalists were free of bias or agenda:
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-02-10/news/mn-1335_1_gm-pickup
http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/the-cbs-cold-case-files/
http://www.aim.org/publications/aim_report/1993/03a.html
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-06-14/news/8902090470_1_alar-apple-juice-natural-carcinogens
This is what happens when you spend as much time as him looking crazy in the face. He is even admitting it now. Bill Maher had this happen to him some time ago. Wouldnt be surprised if Fox loves this shit. Whole channel is structured around extremes and shock value. All this crazy ass footage does is get some people to turn on their channel to see what crazy thing they will say next.
DrForester
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I made mention in a later post that I thought the interview may have been done in Denver. I didn't recognize any of the outdoor shots with the guy. Was probably a combination of "for comedy" and not wanting to make the hour and half drive to Colorado Springs to do those interviews.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The problem with setting up a conservative comedian is that the present day GOP and neocon conservatism is predicated on punching down when it comes to throwing shade. The closest thing to a GOP comedian we've seen is really Glenn Beck, come to think of it. He actually goes for a laugh in his crazy way and attempts satire. But it comes across as delusional insanity and conspiracy theory.
I'd agree in fact that Stewart has gotten long in the tooth with ripping Fox News to shreds. Yet it's not his fault, ultimately. I wouldn't be surprised if it's truthfully a significant part of why he's moving on from The Daily Show. The dominionist neocon movement and the Fox propaganda corporation are the country's long present-day nightmare that keeps going on and on. After a certain point there's not much more you can say about it.
I'd agree in fact that Stewart has gotten long in the tooth with ripping Fox News to shreds. Yet it's not his fault, ultimately. I wouldn't be surprised if it's truthfully a significant part of why he's moving on from The Daily Show. The dominionist neocon movement and the Fox propaganda corporation are the country's long present-day nightmare that keeps going on and on. After a certain point there's not much more you can say about it.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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That was damn fantastic
I imagine future terror cells and domestic terrorist will exist in the US due to influence from outlets such as Fox News. Im sure there are some crazy asshole already gearing up as more and more right wing nuts feel they are "losing" their country but Fox really is creating a really terrible view on real life with its constant lies.
benjipwns
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I guess it depends on how you define "conservative comedian" because there are comedians that are probably conservative but don't do very much politics in their material.
Jay Leno is supposedly slightly conservative/Republican but his jokes on politics were always tame softball stuff.
You have the more libertarian-conservative types like Greg Gutfeld, Colin Quinn, Jim Norton, Anthony Cumia, etc. who are all over the place on different issues and don't fit into one box that well.
The B.S. of A. on Glenn Beck's network was probably more in that libertarianish group but I thought it had a quite good amount of funny segments:
Fact-Free News Reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbI04_TE6I
Ted Cruz: Single Lapel Pin Conservative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7uJXBUx8n4
Styrofoam Lobbyist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLh2j6OxyE
Video Game Violence - 1984 Edition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvziONmDjrs
Sebelius Web Design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEYGWam8k5E
Rush to Judgment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd337AryZa8
Team Zimmerman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtuVTyQRNI
rokkerkory
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Fox news can suck a fat one
Kinda related kinda not: the entire coverage of American Sniper on Fox News has been utterly hilarious. I ate at a Burger King on opening weekend of that movie, and Fox was on. They went on for the entire time I was there about how it's a patriotic movie, and how Seth Rogen was an "obnoxious, overpaid, Hollywood brat"... literally a month after The Interview was supposed to save free speech for all.
And now they're complaining that it was snubbed at the Oscars, confirming Hollywood's liberal bias? Utterly hysterical seeing how the fact that it was nominated for Best Picture was one of the biggest surprises at the nomination announcements. And I laughed at them saying "American Sniper made more money than Birdman; Hollywood hates everyone." In the last six years, only two BP winners made more than 100M at the domestic box office. That's no reason to complain.
(Also, major respect to Jon Stewart for not being a Boyhood hater.)
And now they're complaining that it was snubbed at the Oscars, confirming Hollywood's liberal bias? Utterly hysterical seeing how the fact that it was nominated for Best Picture was one of the biggest surprises at the nomination announcements. And I laughed at them saying "American Sniper made more money than Birdman; Hollywood hates everyone." In the last six years, only two BP winners made more than 100M at the domestic box office. That's no reason to complain.
(Also, major respect to Jon Stewart for not being a Boyhood hater.)
Whether or not there's something innately incompatible between conservatism and a satirical comedy program, all the attempts to create a conservative Daily Show thus far were extraordinarily lazy.
They saw the Daily Show was popular, and Jon Stewart was influential, and thought they too should have some of that, and just slapped something together and expected it to work.
What they were missing was; someone with Jon Stewart's talent, people with the Daily Show's writing/production and correspondents talents, the desire to be funny first and influential second and the years of experience and trial and error it takes to get any show into it's groove.
They saw function and attempted to replicate it by copying form.
They saw the Daily Show was popular, and Jon Stewart was influential, and thought they too should have some of that, and just slapped something together and expected it to work.
What they were missing was; someone with Jon Stewart's talent, people with the Daily Show's writing/production and correspondents talents, the desire to be funny first and influential second and the years of experience and trial and error it takes to get any show into it's groove.
They saw function and attempted to replicate it by copying form.
benjipwns
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I've always found him to be more of a general humorist first who has conservative/libertarian views which seeps into his work. So like his one book about his travels he talks about some of the silly things (to his pov) foreign governments do like how Sweden has a Ministry for Culture and Sport or whatever. So it's more of a "everyone agrees this is silly" libertarian view. At least I think there's stuff in Parliament of Whores, Eat the Rich, and Don't Vote! that would amuse people of most any political view. Especially since he doesn't take it seriously, they're supposed to be laid back books, not white papers.
Though I haven't read all his books or columns.
The first amendment is about freedom of expression, not the freedom to lie, deceive, and distort the truth.
The second half of your post killed me :lol
I really have no idea how you can classify yourself as "entertainment" but still call yourself "News," while presenting your shows like newscasts
benjipwns
Banned
I always love this goofy myth.
even got a snopes article discrediting it, but it spreads.
We can laugh at how awful Fox News is even without that!
Elfforkusu
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Actual fact: the fairness doctrine has been gone for decades, journalistic integrity is dead, buried, and decomposing.
SteveWinwood
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is it a myth?
my cable menu has the whole channel as blue and the other networks (cnn, cnn hl, and msnbc) as some other color except during their prime time nonsense
i mean im not surprised that sounds dumb and totally made up but i just remember the colors
DrForester
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Cramer knew what was coming, knew he was in no danger of being fired, and his only penance was to get made fun of by Jon for 10 minutes. He just sat there with a goofy grin on his face like he was saying, "I can't believe this is it".
By contrast, Tucker was outright blindsided on his own show and had absolutely no clue what hit him.
benjipwns
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Who's the one doing the "allowing"? With who are they classifying themselves as entertainment? Where is this entity with the power to determine what is and isn't "news"?
Blackage
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He goes after CNN because he has some slither of hope they can be better then what they are lol.
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