flintstryker
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Tell me guys whats the absolute best card i can get for $200?
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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800
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flintstryker
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hmm so its better than a 9800GTX correct?Vic said:
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
For some reason I am not so impressed. Yes, its scalability is amazing, but who the fuck is using 24xAA at 2560x1600 ????Vic said:
flintstryker
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hmm ok ty.Vic said:
here's a good example: http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_4850_4870_performance/page15.aspflintstryker said:
Druz
Member
zoku88 said:
That'd be $100 dollar difference from the 4850, $50 over the $200 budget. Besides, what you pay at face value is what you're paying, rebates are usually just a bonus for later.
I doubt the heat issue is solved by changing the fan speeds. Puts OCing out of the question, and puts you in line for a new fan sooner than later.
Stoney Mason
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I bought a radeon 4850 today but now I have to install a new power supply which I also bought along with it. I've never swapped out a power supply before unfortunately 
It should be fairly easy to change the PS. It's a pain for me to install the front LEDs and front USB ports correctly, ugh :~Stoney Mason said:I bought a radeon 4850 today but now I have to install a new power supply which I also bought along with it. I've never swapped out a power supply before unfortunately
Druz
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zoku88 said:
I wouldn't agree with the money is money part, rebates show up months later and unless it's a nice chunk of change, not a great factor.
I think the cooling and OC capability is worth the $25 difference that you'd actually be paying. The benchmarks shown were of ultra high resolutions only, the GTX+ has success/equal marks on the 1280x1024 and around range.
Fans help with heat, yah... but heating issues right out of the box says a lot.
It's an amazing card no doubt, and it being able to match the GTX+ with a 25 dollar difference is killer.. but I see OC as a deciding factor. You don't lose either way, I would be happy with either card... but you ATI guys are downplaying the GTX+
edit: To clarify... when I think of the people who are looking for a card in this price range, I immediately assume that they're using pre-built PCs with under clocked components and poor ventilation. Having a hot card is bad enough, couple it with a case with no breathing room.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
The 4850 doesn't run as hot with the cat 8.7 according to the ATI forums. Now it runs at regular temps. Was the fan not enabled before or something?
That's great. But for people like me, it doesn't really matter. I don't see why it matters for you, either. It's an extra $25 in your pocket. Unless you hate having extra money, I wouldn't be able to understand why you would just disregard a rebate...Druz said:
Don't call me a fanboy
I don't think that's a good assumption. How did you even arrive at that?
Anyway, as I said before, it runs hot because the fan isn't running like it's supposed to. The drivers aren't running the fans correctly, yadda yadda yadda. It has NOTHING to do with the card architecture. A 9800 GTX+ will run hot to if (for some reason) the fans weren't working correctly. Everything you say about heat is negligible...
Druz said:
It's worse by about twice the fan speed cycle at minimum.
The 4850 will OC pretty similarly to a 9800+ once you fix the fan speed duty cycle not being stuck at 15-ish percent regardless of load. There is nothing about the reference card itself that generates more heat than would be expected, it's a driver issue.
There's not much reason to invest in a 9800+ right now, they aren't that comparable when put at the same price point.
RattleHead_
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Trackmania Nations Forever, It's free.otake said:
Crap. I was so dead set on waiting for the 4870x2, but then I remembered that I thrive on aftermarket coolers. My ability to hold out for this thing hinges almost entirely on the assurance that there will be a compatible heatpipe available in a timely manner. I've gotten so used to having a dead silent/cool pc that I couldn't tolerate otherwise. Has the 3870x2 even gotten any heatpipes yet?
I may just hang on to my 4870 after all.
I may just hang on to my 4870 after all.
MaritalWheat
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CoH, CoH, CoH. $40 for both original and OF, or just put $20 down on OF if you're strapped for cash, you'll still get plenty of fun.otake said:
Fragamemnon
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otake said:
after playing hundreds of hours of both, I'd say go with COH. It's the better game.
Labombadog
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Ok guys. I have a 8800GTS 320mb version. I really want to get a 4850 512mb, would it make that big of a difference or should I just wait until later and get a better card?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Labombadog
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Its a Core 2 Duo E6600 2.4GH.Chiggs said:
Labombadog said:
In this case I'd have to say the upgrade is not worth the money. You'd be looking at "real" gains of anywhere between 0-10% depending on the title.
Your card is still quite capable as it is, so my recommendation would be to upgrade your CPU first - look into the E8400.
Chiggs
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Wallach said:
I disagree with this. His Core 2 Duo certainly won't max the 4850 out, but he will most certainly see a performance increase far greater than 10% in most games. Actually, I'm not quite sure where you're getting that number.
If he had said a 4870 or GTX 260, I would definitely agree that an upgrade would be pointless, but a 4850 is not a bad choice at all, IMO.
Labombadog
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Thanks alot man. I will be building a new pc probably late next year, so hopefully there will be cheap GPU like the 4800 series. And more than likely I will have a quad processor.Wallach said:
Thanks Wallach.
Chiggs
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Labombadog said:Thanks alot man. I will be building a new pc probably late next year, so hopefully there will be cheap GPU like the 4800 series. And more than likely I will have a quad processor.
Thanks Wallach.
Apparently, I'm chopped fucking liver.
Whatever, believe his fork-tongued lies if you want!Chiggs said:
I'm basing it on the overhead he's currently sitting at with his current card/CPU combo. If he isn't OC'ing his E6600 his 8800 GT is already getting pretty close to hitting it's ceiling. If it were a Q6600 my opinion would be different. Some games would benefit more - Bioshock, COD4 - but for more CPU-bound titles like World of Warcraft, there would likely be little to no (especially in WoW's case) performance gains.
You can go for it, but for the performance gains that money is better put towards a higher frequency CPU. Alternatively, look into after-market cooling and OC the E6600 yourself (it's a great chip with a lot of headroom on air) before looking to upgrade your video card.
Chiggs said:
Ahh, I did indeed misread his card.
In that case, I think your best solution would probably be to go for the 4850 (or whatever price/performance chip we have when it comes time to upgrade) and see what you can push on air cooling with your current setup to ease how CPU bound the system is under load. Even on the stock heatsink I imagine you could easily hit 2.7-2.8Ghz with that chip.
That said, if you are going to wait it's possible that the 4870 will be within your budget and at that point a CPU upgrade would still be warranted.
Labombadog
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No dude. While I was thanking him you posted, and I did not see it. Thanks for your post dude seriously!Chiggs said:Apparently, I'm chopped fucking liver.
Thanks Chiggs!
.... :lolWallach said:
I have a Tuniq Tower 120 for my heatsink, but I am scared of overclocking. I understand most of the basics, but I am still terrified of it.
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Labombadog said:No dude. While I was thanking him you posted, and I did not see it. Thanks for your post dude seriously!
Thanks Chiggs!
I have a Tuniq Tower 120 for my heatsink, but I am scared of overclocking. I understand most of the basics, but I am still terrified of it.
I say go for the 4850, you will still see a decently large gain. Hell, I'm on an S939 Athlon X2 4800+ (not OC'd) and I just got a 4850 for it. Your CPU is better than mine is.