Terrible Majesty
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here's your marketing
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Kamiya concerned that Nintendo isn't marketing Wonderful 101 much at all
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Not surprising at all. Nintendo is incapable of marketing their own games lot of the time. PG should have seen this before deciding to work with Nintendo. Kamiya is partly to blame as well for making a game that isn't completely straight forward. The only thing he can do is complain to his hire ups and to Iwata when he has the chance to speak with them. If the game doesn't do well he shouldn't take the blame but put it all on Nintendo. Their job as the publisher is more then just getting the game in stores.
I don't expect this game to be marketed well or even at all outside of Japan. Same with Bayonetta 2. Which is beyond stupid I think because Nintendo is funding both games. If I was funding something I would do whatever I could to make sure people were aware of it and do my best to sell them on it so they buy it and I make my money back and turn a profit.
I don't expect this game to be marketed well or even at all outside of Japan. Same with Bayonetta 2. Which is beyond stupid I think because Nintendo is funding both games. If I was funding something I would do whatever I could to make sure people were aware of it and do my best to sell them on it so they buy it and I make my money back and turn a profit.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
It's been said time and time again but GAF isn't the only barometer. It easy enough to see when we are liking or disliking something though.
Ninja Scooter
Member
here's your marketing
A gif on the 11th page of a NeoGaf thread...yup that will drive sales.
A lot of the budget obviously went towards graphics, but people somehow think that cartoonish and colorful is cheaper than realistic. It isn't. Well, not necessarily. If you go for a realistic style, you can use tons of stock assets, which are obviously cheaper than doing everything from scratch.
here's your marketing
Fisher Price Presents: My First Bayonetta.
(I know the game is nothing like that, but that's what I got from that GIF in isolation).
The game looks awesome but I'm not sure that great looking QTEs will drive home sales.here's your marketing
I guess we definitely need a Sticker Thread on top of all the other threads explaining the Platinum and Nintendo situation here.
This is no longer 2012. it has been said a thousand times and then some that Nintendo founded those two games and Nintendo is publishing them. So there will be ports only if Nintendo wants to become oh so very altruist and kind and allow these games to be ported to Playstation3/4 or Xbox360/180.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Kamiya could always re-enact that scene on the stage of America's Got Talent.
Howie Mandel would ruin it all though by buzzing him.
That's the feeling I got after the interview Geoff did with Reggie at E3.
Even with all the grilling Geoff did, Reggie barely mentioned 101 and didn't mention Bayonetta 2 at all iirc. He just kept pushing the usual Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong shtick.
Found it surprising considering that they are paying the bill for these games.
Even with all the grilling Geoff did, Reggie barely mentioned 101 and didn't mention Bayonetta 2 at all iirc. He just kept pushing the usual Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong shtick.
Found it surprising considering that they are paying the bill for these games.
I can somewhat understand when people think that Bayonetta 2 will be ported to other consoles down the line. It's not going to happen for reasons that are really easy to find out, but if you aren't into these things it's easy to think: Oh, Bayonetta 2? That's a Sega game, it's timed exclusive for sure!
But Wonderful 101 is a first party game through and through. There's no reason why anyone could be confused enough to think it might get a port.
Unconditional
Member
Enough to warrant a console buy? Because you're only gonna get it on wiiU.
I don't think Nintendo is interested in publishing games on competing systems.
Oh most definitely. The goal of this thread is simply to inspire people here to talk about it to other members on the forum and to their friends in person.a little word of mouth could potentially go a long way.
While advertising will inform people, WOM tends to actually sell people on the product. You need both, but I can only do so much to inform the 10,000+ members here.
sixteen-bit
Member
6th page for me, but yeah the point still stands lol
Helped God of War... :~~
Terrible Majesty
Member
That cost me 0.11$ of my bandwidth lol. He'll, I'd cosplay as a character from W101 for free in downtown Toronto if Ninty supplied me with one.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
It's the publishers job to see that the game gets its message across and draws people in through advertising the game and allowing the developer to talk about their game. This is all on Nintendo.
Isn't this game part of the 10% discount promotion that was just announced ? I mean Nintendo could do more , but this game will get drowned out anyway. Game sites are not talking about it even after giving it positive previews for 2 E3s. It's release after Pikmim and from a glance it looks similar to Pikmin. The game is releasing when all the big games start to launch for Wii U and every other console .
phosphor112
Banned
When is it making it's debut on the mainstream?
Anyone 'hardcore' enough know what these games are, and that is their only demographic. Zelda, Mario and DK are known to the masses and properties that will sell consoles. Obscure platinum games do not.
Amazing enemy intros as expected from a Kamiya game -
Uniting all your heroes to form a great sword that can reflect giant laser beams back at bosses -
Cool stylish moments during boss fights, production values out the ass -
Sorry for the questionable quality on the gifs but this game needs to be seen in action to be appreciated. Please keep in mind that these gifs run at 10 fps and the full game is 60 fps and looks a million times better.
Seriously though, How can anyone who likes action games not be hyped for this shit? It looks so glorious!
Uniting all your heroes to form a great sword that can reflect giant laser beams back at bosses -
Cool stylish moments during boss fights, production values out the ass -
Sorry for the questionable quality on the gifs but this game needs to be seen in action to be appreciated. Please keep in mind that these gifs run at 10 fps and the full game is 60 fps and looks a million times better.
Seriously though, How can anyone who likes action games not be hyped for this shit? It looks so glorious!
And that's exactly why I talked about market perception.
No.
The game's aesthetics have nothing to do with my point.
From Minecraft, to Journey, there have been many successful non-gritty games.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
The Dutch Slayer
Member
releasing the game same week as GTA V in the USA is not help also.
Played the game last week its fantastic 60 fps and no drops, great characters and lots of fun.
But man DAT release date
Played the game last week its fantastic 60 fps and no drops, great characters and lots of fun.
But man DAT release date
This kind of post confuses me, to be honest. Games like Wonderful 101 never sold well and even the first Bayonetta wasn't exactly a striking success (to the contrary, if it was Sega wouldn't have cancelled the sequel in the first place). If Nintendo decides not to advertise the games a lot than it's probably a reasonable decision: the costs of marketing wouldn't have outweight the additional sales. Stuff like this happens with games that cater to a niche audience.
Of course, as a developer you want your game to sell to as many people as possible. But there are simply types of games that don't appeal to a huge audience. Wonderful 101 in particular is that kind of game. If Kamiya wanted his game to sell a lot, he should have maybe done something more... mainstream. In the end, I don't think that PG have a reason to be disappointed by the partnership; Nintendo's money paid their bills and salaries after all. It's not like they are going out of this with a loss.
Those are all low budget productions by tiny teams (well, Minecraft used to be in the beginning), and even then, Journey had a hard time breaking even, despite the low production costs and massive critical acclaim.
But all of these games apparently had a lower budget than Wonderful 101 has... Which goes back to my point you just cut for some reason: You want it to be a different lower budget game. But it isn't.
It's also kind of ironic, since you attest Nintendo being risk-averse. At the same time you are just ignoring the risk the company willingly takes.
Sammy Samusu
Member
09/15 - The Wonderful 101
Well this is nice, W101 is the only exclusive game releasing in September for Nintendo platforms. I might buy it.
August for comparison:
08/04 - Pikmin 3
08/11 - Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
08/13 - Rune Factory 4
Well this is nice, W101 is the only exclusive game releasing in September for Nintendo platforms. I might buy it.
August for comparison:
08/04 - Pikmin 3
08/11 - Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
08/13 - Rune Factory 4
As people told me;
"Man you really like weird games"
"But it's from the dudes who made Resident Evil 2, OG Devil May Cry, Viewtiful Joe, Okami and Bayonetta. Some of those ring a bell don't they?"
"Dude, Resident Evil 2 is like twenty years ago. The others? Never heard of 'em."
"So you won't try it?"
"Eh, maybe when I'm at your place."
Gamers are hyped for TW101.
The mass market? It's not worthwhile to start advertising more than a month before the game's release.
I hope Nintendo does print and TV ads and really pushes TW101 a unique experience on Wii U. If they don't, then Kamiya has every right to complain. Maybe he knows the marketing strategy already , but I doubt it.
Tweeting about it seems like a great idea to sour the relationship with Nintendo anyway. He should be talking to them, and the higher ups at Platinum, directly.
The mass market? It's not worthwhile to start advertising more than a month before the game's release.
I hope Nintendo does print and TV ads and really pushes TW101 a unique experience on Wii U. If they don't, then Kamiya has every right to complain. Maybe he knows the marketing strategy already , but I doubt it.
Tweeting about it seems like a great idea to sour the relationship with Nintendo anyway. He should be talking to them, and the higher ups at Platinum, directly.
here's your marketing
Looks like any average qte scene.
Vermillion
Banned
Sadly, not even that well. I've seen a commercial for about every Direct-to-DVD Batman movie.
Yes, but how many people even know that the game exists? It wasn't one of the games they had in Best Buy (a good strategy, certainly), and it probably should have been.
EDIT: This reminds me - did they at least show of Wonderful 101 on Fallon? Sony showed off Knack of all things.
Probably should release a killer demo for it before it comes out. That's why Viewtiful Joe was a success on GC.
Still it would bomb hard on PS3/360 due to the art style.
I think it will hurt the game that it's releasing so close to Pikmin 3 as on the surface those seem like similar games (not true in reality). Obviously Pikmin is one of Miyamoto's babies so that's going to get more of a push.
Still it would bomb hard on PS3/360 due to the art style.
I think it will hurt the game that it's releasing so close to Pikmin 3 as on the surface those seem like similar games (not true in reality). Obviously Pikmin is one of Miyamoto's babies so that's going to get more of a push.
Haunted
Member
He said people who like action games. If your "people" don't know Devil May Cry or Bayonetta, I question their expertise in the genre.
Well, this is not a thread about W101 only - it invites larger discussion about Nintendo and its marketing and third party relations in general, and that means this thread will automatically have a bigger scope.
Alternatively: Nintendo hate etc etc
And as is usually the case with negative Nintendo threads, it's already full of uninformed bitching, trolling and (stealth) port begging.
Anyway, the game is kinda hard to sell, and spending tons of money on marketing is no guarantee for great sales. Still, Wonderful 101 apparently is one of their headliners for the summer and part of their "one game per month" initiative, so I expect the marketing to ramp up considerably closer to release.
He said people who like action games. If your "people" don't know Devil May Cry or Bayonetta, I question their expertise in the genre.
Devil May Cry is, like, 10 years old. Your average 16 year old action gamer was barely alive back then. ;p
It's like looking at the hottest babe around and people around you are like "MEH!".
And then they turn around and go home with this completely average boring girl, completely oblivious.
They'll look back in 5-10 years and finally get it, Clover/Platinum cycle forever!
Haunted
Member
What would be the library of action games these average 16 year olds cherish?
They don't know DMC or Bayonetta, what are they playing that makes them action gamers? There's not much else out there save Ninja Gaiden and God of War.
Diablo Rosso
Member
Saying that a game like Wonderful 101 would bomb on PS3/360 because of the art style is a load of shit. Games with colour can sell you know. This is Nintendo being incompetent at doing what a publisher should be doing, that and the game being on a platform no one outside the Internet cares about.
I think there are major major issues with Nintendo's marketing. I do feel however that W101 might not be the best example of that.
I think Bayonetta 2 will be far more relevant- we know how much the first one sold, and we know that its a type of game Nintendo doesn't have much experience marketing.