Square Triangle
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Nintendo Directs don't ever reach anyone outside of the hardcore.
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Kamiya concerned that Nintendo isn't marketing Wonderful 101 much at all
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Nintendo Directs don't ever reach anyone outside of the hardcore.
I respectfully disagree. It is a hard game to explain, and at first glance definitely gives off a kiddie type vibe.
Hell, do you remember the thread last year when it was unveiled?
Sammy Samusu
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Lies tbh.
At least they're a publisher for PG... I'm happy to see W101 coming. I hope it'll get some exposure. That being said, I'm not sure that the game itself is mainstream, maybe they were wrong with the budget. But it's Nintendo money, no? Nintendo itself would lose money should the game sell badly?
And if they're the only one ready to publish a PG game, they become de facto the best one... among one
I can't tell if serious anymore...
Fox Mulder
Member
Nintendo can be shitty with marketing, but this looks like a niche game that will appeal to people that already know about it and have been starved since launch.
There's a reason platinum had to crawl to nintendo for publishing in the first place.
There's a reason platinum had to crawl to nintendo for publishing in the first place.
Well, isn't that generally the case, regardless of platform? Negative threads always get more attention than positive ones.
Both W101 and Bayonetta 2 are Nintendo games. It's not quite a big commitment when someone else is paying your bills. PG aren't really taking a risk here.
likes action games but has never heard of Devil May Cry???????
even if the original was 10 years ago, games of note in the action genre are few and far between (relative to the shooter genres). devil may cry is the blueprint [that bayonetta later improved on]
how the hell do you not know it
even if the original was 10 years ago, games of note in the action genre are few and far between (relative to the shooter genres). devil may cry is the blueprint [that bayonetta later improved on]
how the hell do you not know it
Bayonetta 2 is being funded and published by Nintendo so that will stay a Wii U exclusive and Nintendo own The Wonderful 101 IP.
Neither are getting ported.
Well that isn't incorrect as so far Nintendo is currently is the only one willing to fund any of Platinum's games.
Though I do think that Nintendo really need to step it up with the marketing as The Wonderful 101 is a new Nintendo IP and really needs all the support it can get. This game doesn't deserve to bomb
Well there isn't much you can do if Nintendo is the only company willing to fund your game and to be honest I can't see anyone else stepping in to fund them.
I agree completely. Nintendo needs to change their marketing strategy. If that means inviting members of the press to all expenses paid trips to Hawaii and sending out elaborate special review editions to get the press to talk about the game, then so be it. Shit like that isn't all that expensive in the grand scheme of things.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Should've been the first post.
It wouldn't bomb because of its art style. At least not only because of it. It would bomb because W101 is a combination of Viewtiful Joe and Pikmin. If you combine two niche games, the result normally is even more niche. In order to be interested in Wonderful 101 you have to like a) VJ-like cartoon action games and b) Pikmin-like control of dozens of characters.
That's a niche if I ever saw one.
Serious. If all I saw was that GIF in isolation, I'd think it was a cartoony action game that had lifted the climax prompt from Bayonetta.
Honestly I feel TW101 might have been a decent opportunity for them.
My initial impression was that it was a family friendly Platinum action game that could have appeal to the audience Nintendo already has, especially the kind of people who would be picking up a Wii U out the gate.
Bayonetta on the other hand is hyper violent, hyper sexual, and you go around murdering angels as a demon witch, which is kind of a harder audience match-up.
Haven't you seen the hilarious Best of E3 bullshit this year? "Action" apparently means "first person shooter" these days - real action games are considered action/adventures now. That's the category Bayonetta 2 was nominated in (and didn't win, of course), Wonderful 101 wasn't nominated at all. In any category.
Diablo Rosso
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Funding a game is irrelevant when you don't even give it a chance of succeeding. Long term, having both Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 bombing will not be good for Platinum, since no one will want to fund their games, not even Nintendo. What happens then?
granabanana
Banned
It's so easy to say something on the internet. e.g I own a Unicorn and I love to ride rainbows to work.
Well, they do know about God of War or Darksiders for instance. One of 'em even played Revengeance.He said people who like action games. If your "people" don't know Devil May Cry or Bayonetta, I question their expertise in the genre.
Not quite the same, but they fall in the action segment I suppose. And these guys ocassionaly play games like FIFA, CoD or GTA and gave the three above a chance. But alas, I guess TW101 doesn't fall in that category
Lightning Lord
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I kind of see that, but the actual gameplay seems a bit more complex than something you can sell en masse to the Nintendo crowd.
I personally thought this was a great opportunity to fully unveil their NFC tech.
Ahh well.
I expect terrible to non-existent marketing from NOA, but like I said I think Nintendo will push it some in Japan.
i hadnt seen any of that stuff
that really bums me out, and suddenly everything makes sense now :/
Spieler Eins
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They developed sales flops ever since the Capcom days, their reputation in that regard will not get any worse with this game :lol
Lordwindowlicker
Member
I love Nintendo, but this sort of thing is endlessly frustrating.
Market your console!
Market your games!
Back in the 80s when you were first pushing the NES, there were commercials all over the damned place.
Nintendo's product is as good as it has ever been, but their connection to the consumer is way off mark.
Market your console!
Market your games!
Back in the 80s when you were first pushing the NES, there were commercials all over the damned place.
Nintendo's product is as good as it has ever been, but their connection to the consumer is way off mark.
Diablo Rosso
Member
That's true I guess, but it's still not a good reputation to have, especially with what eventually happened to Clover.
abstract alien
Member
Why do they keep putting QTE bullshit in these damn games!? That gif just reminds me how much of a horrible practice it is. At least don't blatantly present it as one, if it must be in there.
Perhaps the judges didn't feel they were worthy of nominating / winning?
Why do you feel this happened?
..Nintendo isn't even marketing the wii u right now beside japan, which they started 2 weeks ago, and they just started to market their own title, pikmin 3, two weeks ago too, the game is slated to release in two weeks in Japan
Wonderful 101 is headed to America in two months, and it's release in other parts of the world is a little less than two months ( comes out last week of August )
beside AAA blockbusters aka EA- Battlefield and Ubisoft's Ass creed who airs game commercials 8 months before their release..who else markets their games two months before releases??
so there's plenty of time for Nintendo to advertise W101 next month because Pikmin 3 comes out in Japan mid July so they got other priorities right now'
Wonderful 101 is headed to America in two months, and it's release in other parts of the world is a little less than two months ( comes out last week of August )
beside AAA blockbusters aka EA- Battlefield and Ubisoft's Ass creed who airs game commercials 8 months before their release..who else markets their games two months before releases??
so there's plenty of time for Nintendo to advertise W101 next month because Pikmin 3 comes out in Japan mid July so they got other priorities right now'
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I agree with him. Some have to come to terms that the Nintendo core base on the internet knows about it and even then, that doesn't guarantee that all the WiiU owners or people who don't have one will watch. I have interest in WiiU but haven't watched a single direct yet.
NingenJanai
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Kamiya deserves better from Nintendo
Right, this is what I said earlier in the thread. This is how Nintendo operates in Japan. We know it is getting a ND and I would guess some sort of advertising push will coincide with that.
Right now they have to advertise for July 13th.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Didn't Nintendo expect the game to be ready within their "launch window" of the first six months? Kamiya failed to deliver, too.
You did? That's weird of you.
SillyEskimo
Member
We all do.
JerryThePredator
Banned
Yeah. It's on the internet. The one place that only the hardcore know about. Our secret club!
Yes. I do think that Nintendo should probably be doing more as far as advertising in Famitsu, etc. To my knowledge, the game hasn't been featured much if at all in the Japanese gaming magazines. That might be some of what Kamiya is referencing.
granabanana
Banned
viewtiful joe says hey
Damn, I wonder if it was new stuff.On a semi-related note, by the looks of it, EDGE might be up to something.
They posted this tweet earlier on, but it was deleted almost instantly. The link of the tweet no longer works. Bayonetta 2 getting all the spot lights...
:~~
I see what you did there.
Senor Kami
Banned
Yay for new IP and all, but I think this game will tank commercially. A lot of Nintendo games would tank if not for throwing Nintendo characters in them. If Mario Kart was some generic kart racer with no characters in it... well, it'd be F-Zero and it'd put up F-Zero numbers.
I can't help but think how much better Kamiya, Platinum Games, and everyone would be if early on there was some agreement to scrap the 101 random dudes nobody has ever heard of and replaced it with 101 Nintendo characters. You'd probably go from a game that might pull in 1 million sales to a game that might pull in 10 million sales. New IP with old characters is the Nintendo formula for guaranteed success like clock work.
I can't help but think how much better Kamiya, Platinum Games, and everyone would be if early on there was some agreement to scrap the 101 random dudes nobody has ever heard of and replaced it with 101 Nintendo characters. You'd probably go from a game that might pull in 1 million sales to a game that might pull in 10 million sales. New IP with old characters is the Nintendo formula for guaranteed success like clock work.
For context, my friends and acquaintances label me as the guy with weird gaming tastes; it's mostly a group playing the latest FIFA games, the occasional Assassin's Creed (although they're burned out on the series right now) and lookie, the next GTA or CoD. There's a few guys in there who sometimes take the plunge (hey man, thanks for the tip on Uncharted or hey I like Batman!) but they'll just buy what they know and be done with it.
They were just curious about me owning a Wii U and asking me what game I wanted next. I showed TW101. Afterwards, they chuckle
I take it that advertising in gaming magazines is much more important in Japan than it is everywhere else?
Here in the states (and I presume in almost every other country), advertising in gaming magazines isn't much now.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
here's your marketing
I like that if that was Nathan Drake or Isaac Clarke or a Quantic Dream QTE it would get lombasted but a Kamiya game? High praise.
I like them all by the way, because I understand there is more to the game than that. Just an observation.
Captainsweatpants
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What the hell is Iwata doing all day...Serious question.
No idea. I don't even know what the judges are looking for or how they classify games anymore.
I'm not an expert, but yes, that is my general impression. Famitsu and other magazines still regularly unveil games, release dates, etc.