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Killzone 3 Beta Details (Starts 10/25, requires PS+, only 10k spots open)
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Well to be fair, if there was any point where GG needed to change the controls it would be at this point...before the game is out. When the game is out, keep it the same no matter how much bitching is involved. Don't go off changing the core mechanics of the game after it's been out for months/years.jett said:
They need to find a balance between what they want and what the players want RIGHT NOW and then implement it. If ppl dont like it, they can move on. Dont go off splitting the userbase and making it difficult for the ppl that have been playing the game and learning the controls since Day 1. Yea you might get 30k new players but at the cost of what? Losing 75% of your (dedicated) installed base? The new players still might not stick with your game and can just quit the game after 1 month of playing whereas your "true" fans that have been playing the game for months/years are quitting your game. Not a great tradeoff IMO
My Point:
FIND YOUR NICHE AND STICK TO IT. In a world of FPS games, you really need to find your own position and avoid the MoH (even though i like MoH) situation.
Grow some balls.X-Frame said:
Anyways, to me it sounds much better than starting from rank 1 and having EVERY game you play with rank 20+ that have much more powerful weapons than you from the start.
We dont even know how the ribbon/perk system works yet. It could be even for everyone, no matter what rank you're at. You could be a rank 1 and be able to earn the same ribbons/perks as others who are lvl 45. That's much more even than COD's route where the longer you play the game, the more powerful you get. I'm strictlyl talking about perks/ribbons here. I do know that KZ2/3 also have weapon unlocks and abilities that make you "stronger". Well, not really because I think the weapon/ability unlocks affect your playstyle moreso than how much damage you do or how quick your aim is or how far you can knife.
I can agree with this but I was just being politically correct. I wish GG was deaf from the start. They're probably being pressured to widen their userbase and have to compromise. I miss the days of having niche AAA titles that dont have to conform (well at least as much as they do now). Stop trying to follow the forerunner because you'll always be behind. We can see that in action right now with Black Ops. While ppl are trying to still get the MW formula right, they're off adding more game modes and refinements to their formula while the others are still trying to play catch up. There's room for more than 1 type of FPS game but ppl dont see that.jett said:
http://community.killzone.com/t5/Killzone-3-PS3/Killzone-3-Controls-Discussion/td-p/487258/page/44
i mean, jesus christ. No need to aim in a shooting game.
i mean, jesus christ. No need to aim in a shooting game.
I was just in a capture the flag match and I had the speaker just a few meters from the delivery point. I had to still pass through a doorway to return in.
A guy popped out at the last second...adrenaline was pumping...but I killed him. Now all I had to do was pass over his corpse in the door jam and return the speaker.
But I couldn't get past his fucking corpse. Kept getting caught on it.
About 5-6 seconds later, I got killed. Would have had PLENTY of time if I hadn't gotten caught.
And it's not just corpses..I'm getting caught on geometry a LOT. Very frustrating.
A guy popped out at the last second...adrenaline was pumping...but I killed him. Now all I had to do was pass over his corpse in the door jam and return the speaker.
But I couldn't get past his fucking corpse. Kept getting caught on it.
About 5-6 seconds later, I got killed. Would have had PLENTY of time if I hadn't gotten caught.
And it's not just corpses..I'm getting caught on geometry a LOT. Very frustrating.
the_prime_mover
Member
Mikey Jr. said:
Benefit of the disguise has always been the loss of initiative.
FF on 100% will hurt the community more than it would benefit because people don't play that way. However, explosives should do 100% damage to everyone, friend and foe. This will help cut down on a lot of the chaos during the mission types where there are a bunch of people around one zone. GG could even extend that to all weapons from the EXOs, any map specific weapons and weapon placements.
I love the new C4 placement sound, but really don't like how it seems to be triggerable through floors (at least that seems to be what I am seeing in one of the Whiteboy videos).
I hope I get into it tomorrow and can resolve my concerns through personal experience. Unfortunately the hype and excitement sometimes means I overlook issues that will bother me in the long run.
To those in the beta; are the GG guys active in the beta forums with feedback or indications of what they are taking into account?
PedroLumpy
Member
X-Frame said:
Certainly that doesn't sound ideal, but at least it's even at the beginning of a match. Most games these days gimp newbies big time until they're level X, and you're just expected to 'deal with it'. There are notable exceptions certainly, but it's a nasty trend. Especially for long term community sustainability.
I think this leveling up thing within a match as an attempt to break stalemates in certain objective gametypes. Imagine two teams that are close to evenly matched play deathmatch. One team 100 kills to 95 lets say. Then they play capture the flag or some sort of attack/defend game mode. Often you would end up in a stalemate because cracking that defense is extra tough. But if one team is performing better, they'll get more of these sort of in match buffs and eventually be able to break through. Same sort of theory goes into the crit mechanic in TF2, which is very stalemate heavy.
Oh and in full disclosure, my avatar is from Lead and Gold, which had an in match leveling system, so take that info as you see fit.
alr1ghtstart said:
That's a quote from just some random jobber right?
iNvid02
Member
im gonna post 3 videos today =O that'll make it 10 and then i'm done, after today most of you could be playing it and seeing it for yourselves. i really gotta get back to fallout new vegas.
video #8 -turbine concourse se-6 commentary walkthrough (greenish map with stargate EMP thing & jetpacks)
video #9 - coronith highway with explosives, airstrikes, turrets and exo vs exo online
video #10 - commentary walkthrough of operations mode (one with the cinematic cutscenes)
stay tuned
video #8 -turbine concourse se-6 commentary walkthrough (greenish map with stargate EMP thing & jetpacks)
video #9 - coronith highway with explosives, airstrikes, turrets and exo vs exo online
video #10 - commentary walkthrough of operations mode (one with the cinematic cutscenes)
stay tuned
I'm really not liking the lack of recoil in those videos nor do I like the direction GG is going for the shooting mechanics. How hard would it have been to just remove input lag? I don't get it...perks, recoiless guns, aim assist, no gun sway?! What the hell is going on? I do, however, love the graphics and gameplay so i'm hoping it's just early code and the beta for the 25th will be updated code. I mean so much is right so far, it's just the shooting mechanics that has me worried.
Vasili2K38
Member
One question people.. the beta is shareable between different accounts? Or it's linked to the account like the Uncharted 2 one and everyone needs actually to redeem a code to play, even if you downloaded the client from another account?
DoomGyver
Member
Controls discussion, yippee. Wouldn't be a kz thread without it. :lol
As some of you know I played KZ2 hardcore the first couple months and I took the time to learn the controls which took me approximately one campaign run. But here's the kicker - people who bitch about the controls don't understand, once you learn Killzones controls it becomes second nature, I don't think about them when I play because it became natural to me. Yes switching back between a game like Killzone and COD takes a few minutes to adjust. They are completely different animals. It drives me nuts that people would prefer to have controls that feel like you're a weightless pencil who can spin around like a damn ice skater. There are two reasons why people prefer COD controls. One, they're already familiar with it so they can "pick up and play" and Two, the input lag is drastically less. Newsflash, you bought a new game and if you want to be good at it open up your stubborn mind and learn it. Don't bitch and moan until it gets changed to your favor. If you want COD go play COD.
Input lag is my only gripe with Killzones controls and hearing that they have fixed that issue tickles me pink.
Changes I would like to see to shooting mechanics:
Give ADS more of an advantage over hip-fire
Enlarge hip-fire spread
The heavier the weapon the longer it should take to go ADS. pistols<smgs<ARs<sniper/sta 14<LMGs/rockets
Don't puss out to complainers and remove recoil, this is killzone not nerfzone.
What I'm trying to say is that an LMG/Rocket user should not have the reflexes of an SMG/AR user, especially when it comes to flinch times and mechanics.
I believe controls discussion is going to be more of a topic than it was for KZ2 simply because of the ps move. Do we know how GG are going to implement the move? Will we have a fixed center cross-hair? Will they make the DS3 controls easier to lessen the advantage (if any) the move will have over the DS3? Will they separate PS Move/DS3 users?
They should really reconsider giving the beta Move support or we could have a clusterfuck come release.
And iNvidious01 keep the videos coming, it's making monday come easier. Thanks
As some of you know I played KZ2 hardcore the first couple months and I took the time to learn the controls which took me approximately one campaign run. But here's the kicker - people who bitch about the controls don't understand, once you learn Killzones controls it becomes second nature, I don't think about them when I play because it became natural to me. Yes switching back between a game like Killzone and COD takes a few minutes to adjust. They are completely different animals. It drives me nuts that people would prefer to have controls that feel like you're a weightless pencil who can spin around like a damn ice skater. There are two reasons why people prefer COD controls. One, they're already familiar with it so they can "pick up and play" and Two, the input lag is drastically less. Newsflash, you bought a new game and if you want to be good at it open up your stubborn mind and learn it. Don't bitch and moan until it gets changed to your favor. If you want COD go play COD.
Input lag is my only gripe with Killzones controls and hearing that they have fixed that issue tickles me pink.
Changes I would like to see to shooting mechanics:
Give ADS more of an advantage over hip-fire
Enlarge hip-fire spread
The heavier the weapon the longer it should take to go ADS. pistols<smgs<ARs<sniper/sta 14<LMGs/rockets
Don't puss out to complainers and remove recoil, this is killzone not nerfzone.
What I'm trying to say is that an LMG/Rocket user should not have the reflexes of an SMG/AR user, especially when it comes to flinch times and mechanics.
I believe controls discussion is going to be more of a topic than it was for KZ2 simply because of the ps move. Do we know how GG are going to implement the move? Will we have a fixed center cross-hair? Will they make the DS3 controls easier to lessen the advantage (if any) the move will have over the DS3? Will they separate PS Move/DS3 users?
They should really reconsider giving the beta Move support or we could have a clusterfuck come release.
And iNvidious01 keep the videos coming, it's making monday come easier. Thanks
mr_nothin said:
When you put it like that, it doesn't sound that bad at all. I get what you're saying and it makes sense. I just hope gaining ribbons/perks isn't a distraction from objectives.
PedroLumpy said:
Yeah, another good point.
I suppose I will have to reserve judgement until I am able to play myself. I hate it when people jump to conclusions without playing a game and I am doing that myself.
BattleMonkey
Member
alr1ghtstart said:
That's not what was said, at all
Honestly, I don't want Killzone 3 to become an ADS game. Make the ADS more useful but not so much for close range. What they had in KZ2 was fine for the most part, i just don't get the complete overhaul in the mechanics. Come to think of it the biggest issue i've spotted in the video's was the recoil/spread. If they can tweak them say ADS being useful only in mid to long range, hip fire useful close to mid range, add some more recoil and gun jump and lets not forget sway, then we have a winner. The beta could fix perk balance and the like. Please GG don't screw-up!
friskykillface
Banned
someone was streaming the beta on justin tv the other day.
looked the same as Killzone 2's multiplayer but the pace was faster. which is good.
one perk i saw that was :/ was this "UAV" tracker that could be instantly activated when you spawn, making seeing every enemy visible. It basically puts a bullseye on the enemy's body which was kinda stupid, like a heart beat sensor but worse.
Wish i could get in the beta
looked the same as Killzone 2's multiplayer but the pace was faster. which is good.
one perk i saw that was :/ was this "UAV" tracker that could be instantly activated when you spawn, making seeing every enemy visible. It basically puts a bullseye on the enemy's body which was kinda stupid, like a heart beat sensor but worse.
Wish i could get in the beta
SolidusDave
Member
The thing is, I don't even understand why KZ should cater the CoD crowd in the first place. Even if you create a KZ mp that plays 1:1 like CoD MW, many people of the CoD crowd are also very interested in the real life (US) military porn and would just return to CoD anyway (meaning they buy its map packs etc.).
Plus, there is a new CoD every year so they will play that instead once it's out, no mater what.
I already enjoyed KZ2 way more than any CoD game, so improve the fucking sequel to cater to my taste and not the CoDards.
Plus, there is a new CoD every year so they will play that instead once it's out, no mater what.
I already enjoyed KZ2 way more than any CoD game, so improve the fucking sequel to cater to my taste and not the CoDards.
DoomGyver
Member
pixelbox said:
I believe that hip-fire should be effective at short range only, in these videos I've seen hip-fire become effective at mid-range. If two people with M82s meet each other at mid-range one using hip-fire the other using ADS the ADS user should win hands down. It should take 10-15% more bullets for the hip-fire user to get the same kill. All I'm asking is that the ADS user (who is more likely more prepared for the shot because he took the time to go to ADS) should have the advantage over someone who could have been sprinting to the nearest action and then started spraying bullets via hip-fire.
Aim small miss small.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
GG should incorporate V.A.T.S. For those of who prefer a more tactical, turn-based approach or just lack the ability to play FPSs. I feel this will add a new level of depth to the stagnant, boringly uninspired game play experience KZ2 was known for. The option would be nice.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Are there we only getting the three MP modes?
I think they should add in a game mode where the cover system is in place. Maybe just a plain deathmatch (all against all).
- Warzone (and its sub-modes)
- Operations
- Guerilla Warfare
I think they should add in a game mode where the cover system is in place. Maybe just a plain deathmatch (all against all).
magicaltrevor
Banned
Does anyone know what time the codes will go out tomorrow? I guess there's no point in staying up tonight if you're in Europe? :-(
StealthGoblin
Banned
magicaltrevor said:
Most of my previous Beta Codes from Sony have arrived between 11AM-12PM UK time.
DoomGyver
Member
Cover system would probably only work in something like a 6v6 team tactical. GG's reason to remove the cover system from KZ2 was that it "just didn't work" for the game play style they were going for (clusterfuck?).Galvanise_ said:
I would like to see a fun mode like Gun Game added.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Full Recovery said:
I think they removed the cover system because it slowed the objective based gameplay down to a point where people would just camp and not bother.
A 6v6 game mode with a cover system would be great.
Zen said:
Same. They really need to do something though. They have improved the sound but have compromised the 'feel' of the weapons because of the lack of recoil. The sub-machine gun should have a lot more movement than it currently does. Should be a short-mid ranged weapon. Having less recoil makes it more effective as a longer ranged weapon.
StealthGoblin
Banned
BrLvgThrChmstry said:
Absolutely wouldn't work for MP. While you'd have gone into V.A.T.S mode to aim at someone, everyone else will be running around as normal and killing each other and you.
I would also nerf the whole point of Killzone in single player as the franchise is all about putting us in a sci-fi 'Theater of War' where we are meant to feel under pressure and are expected to react on the fly to AI changes, scripted sequences or entering a new arena.
BrLvgThrChmstry
Banned
EDIT:Dave1988 said:
Nothing to see here
StealthGoblin
Banned
Loudninja said:
Not yet. I've been watching a lot of the HD beta videos and have spoken to a guy in the Beta who has a similar taste in gunplay to me and played Killzone 2 a lot.
I'm EU based and a gentleman of leisure so if anyone wants a game or two online when the Beta is out (I have a Mic too), add me on PSN. PSN ID is Galvanise_
If any of you do add me, let me know you are GAF in the invite or a message.
Oh, and excuse the EyePet trophies.
Yeah, that goes without saying. But that's not what we're seeing here. I hope for their sake that there's no weapon stats until they get feedback from the beta, which could very much be so. Whatever they do, visually the guns need to shake more, rather that is controlled by recoil or not i'm not reading "powerful weapon" here. As someone said earlier, the sound is on point though...Full Recovery said:
iNvid02
Member
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Zen said:
Counter-Strike recoil?
j/k, but seriously I don't care if it's a little bit of recoil. Weapons MUST be handled differently and not the same to make this gun play work. Ask yourself, what the fuck is the point in making all weapons handle the same? To make the game easier? That just pushes the genre a step backwards and that's what we are seeing in all these shooters today.
In fact, you shouldn't be able to run and spray maintaining pin point accuracy on a target! This isn't the Golden Eye 64 era anymore. I'd be willing to accept a comprise though and have the recoil be minimal, but without it just plain sucks and it makes the game play like slightly slower paced MW2, which has fucking shitty gun play to begin with.
H_Prestige
Banned
Looking at some KZ2 videos, it doesn't look like the recoil on the M82 is much different.