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Killzone: Shadow Fall technical presentation slides [Up: Tech Videos]
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nelsonroyale
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Yeah they could up the detail in the characters. In fact looking through the Metal Gear V trailer, those character models look more natural than anything shown in Shadow Fall or Battlefield 4. They could definitely improve facial texturing and detail here. Hope they do.
My number 1 anticipated "graphics" enhancement next gen: more moving cloths, and done more fluidly . I want capes, cloaks, coats, etc.
I think one core is used to coordinate the other cores, they said that in the presentation, the other one maybe is os core.
gundamkyoukai
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Don't forget hair but yeah i really hope they add much more of that stuff next gen .
I couldnt find any good test video, but here is the best i could
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HOtv7J8ogQ
It still tanks fps and still looks choppy, also animation freeze every 10 seconds and seems like it resets. From the SDK on board, it seems that it crashes game with AI or 3rd view. Also it was used only in level in whole game. I dont have Stalker:CS so cant really test fps myself.
http://www.gsc-game.com/index.php?t...&thm_page=1&thm_id=5453&sec_id=18&offset=-120
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No, it does not. Its nothing beyond, its just a little modified technique.
That is not choppy at all. More like source of this smoke is shooting smoke with move that reset every ten seconds. This smoke is definitely real time volumetric and it takes into account objects moving or not. As of SDK and third person view i don't know i played it only vanilla so only FPP but i don't see what it has to do with anything. This effect works it looks good and it is cheap (for amount which was generated). Far more demanding were volumetric lights in that game
If by slightly modified you mean adding support for BRDF and rough reflections with pre-convolution, hierarchial buffers for speed and a temporal reprojection for secondary bounces, sure.
there is a breakdown of their reflection render pass in the lighting presentation
Initial image containing Lightmap Based Diffuse, Dynamic Diffuse & Specular
Ambient BRDF factor used to blend in Image Based Reflections
Cubemap pass, combining reflection from localized cubemaps and skybox cubemap.
Lightmap Based Diffuse, Dynamic Diffuse & Specular + Cubemap based reflections
Result of Realtime Glossy Reflection Raytrace pass. Notice glossyness of relfection changing with surface material and raytrace distance.
Real Time Glossy Reflection glossyness / coverage mask used to blend between local cubemap reflections and realtime.
Final composite with all Image Based Lighting passes.
Initial image containing Lightmap Based Diffuse, Dynamic Diffuse & Specular
Ambient BRDF factor used to blend in Image Based Reflections
Cubemap pass, combining reflection from localized cubemaps and skybox cubemap.
Lightmap Based Diffuse, Dynamic Diffuse & Specular + Cubemap based reflections
Result of Realtime Glossy Reflection Raytrace pass. Notice glossyness of relfection changing with surface material and raytrace distance.
Real Time Glossy Reflection glossyness / coverage mask used to blend between local cubemap reflections and realtime.
Final composite with all Image Based Lighting passes.
velociraptor
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I want the whole game to look like this:
That looks awesome.
nelsonroyale
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The only things I am hopping they tighten up in those images are:
1. Vegetation: Cherry blossoms looked great, but the palms, especially the lighting/shadowing contrast is jarring.
2. A nice improvement in AA: Seems like they are aiming for this, good.
3. Increase character model detail and shadowing.
If they can do all those, I will be more than content.
1. Vegetation: Cherry blossoms looked great, but the palms, especially the lighting/shadowing contrast is jarring.
2. A nice improvement in AA: Seems like they are aiming for this, good.
3. Increase character model detail and shadowing.
If they can do all those, I will be more than content.
They've already outlined several major improvements they want to make visuallt and the game is a long way out. Saying it looks and runs worse than Crysis 3 is premature, especially considering that this is the equivalent of a low-mid range CPU and slightly more GPU power than a 7850.
velociraptor
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It does not look worse than Crysis 3.you forgot blue screen, drivers conflict, wasd lolmao and I can go on. You pay (maybe) 400£ but games and accessories cost more
you can see partial ray tracing even on Crysis 2, date 2011. Nothing new here.
Now we have a game that will be out at the end of this year and run and look worse than Crysis 3.
fastford58
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I want the whole game to look like this:
JJ Abrams: The Game.
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WeAreStarStuff
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I love that GG is so open about their tech. I can't wait to play this game in my living room.
Mr_Antimatter
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Reminds me of the opening to Ghost in the Shell.
That, or an FPS version of Rez. Which, in itself, is an awesome concept. A wireframe, rhythm FPS...could work.
Very Tron/Blade Runner-esque!
New link for new page for those that care: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgZZ9ODW0rw
Thanks for the upload shagg. Really awesome looking stuff they are putting into it. Loved the volumetric demo.
ricen-beans
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Very interesting article with what seems to be a break down of the slides.
I found this to be interesting:
Can't wait to see if they'll pull it off and what the results will be!! Exciting times ahead...
Shit...
hnggg
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Jesus yessss. Please be a Good solution against jaggies.
Wow Sony is doing shit RIGHT all the fucking time these days.
You know that only temporal reprojection stuff is different to CE 3 technique? And we dont really know what it adds, i think its that 'shadow reflection' visible in few places on examples, but i'm not sure, in C3 You have SSDO for that.
SniperHunter
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no i don't think so, killzone shadow fall has a very cartoony style. realistic characters wouldnt fit
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Thanks for those profiler shots. That's pretty impressive triangle counts, holy crap. Still, you can tell that KZ here would be able to render at least twice as much as that one screen displayed, all with far more effects and far more complex lighting and shading.
I don't think you are anywhere close with that guess to be honest. Not sure where you got that the demo I linked to runs like that on 560, but the youtube video comment say that it was captured on 8800 GTS (it's from 2009 after all) and it wasn't even using CUDA or anything, it was just 'plain' DX9 code, so it probably could be optimized far more nowadays. Another important thing to remember here is that something like this doesn't have to run at anything close to full resolution, as it's just smoke. Even quarter resolution would probably be enough. It really looks like that this effect can be accomplished with much less, and I fully expect to see it in more enclosed environments at least, like in those Stalker videos.
DangerousDave
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553 Mb for sounds (more than all the memory available on PS3)
350 Mb for Havok.
And only 4.5 Gb of RAM?
When they'll really optimize the resources and use all the available memory, the results will be amazing.
350 Mb for Havok.
And only 4.5 Gb of RAM?
When they'll really optimize the resources and use all the available memory, the results will be amazing.
Yep, but even 1m or 1.5m polys would be quite low when this gen was pushing 1m even 1.2m in some games and PC games can push around 3m in 60fps for a few years now.
About smoke demo, particles there dont look like full res (they're small so hard to tell really) and You can download it by Yourself here:
http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/parties/2009/main09/demo/flt_blunderbuss.zip&fileinfo
You can best see it here, every explosion is the same. I wonder if there somethign stopping them to mix 3-4 different "renders" of the explosion. Or to create few of them that are not "linear" [can achieve vastly different look by simply rotating explosion smoke].
However, it still looks "nextgen as fuck" as someone wrote here.
Next-gen as fuck confirmed.
the tech tear-downs I saw showed that the number of pre-rendered vs real-time cutscenes were the same in both, it was just the compression process on 360 made them obvious. It's the same way the majority of cutscenes in Uncharted 2 are actually pre-rendered, but the assets are so close and the compression so minimal that you wouldn't notice unless you actually went into the data. Or just saw that when you go into cutscene-viewer, there's zero load time for them to start up (except for the real-time ones).
At least uncharted had unlockable stuff when you beat it. Horizontal-mirrored playthroughs were actually kind of awesome.
I want the whole game to look like this:
But the whole city is a skybox remember. No geometry....
Also, 3gb of video ram used. They have a lot more to get through. As they rightly claim, they've likely only scratched the surface.
LOL I wanna know who said this.
IIRC they actually said that the extras/cheats/etc. all got turned off because they were problematic, not because they didn't want to give them to us like so many other games do these days.
Thats not how skyboxes work
I know lol. I made fun of several people who claimed as much myself. My post was merely sarcastic.
Helghast campaign is a dumb idea. If the ISA were the ones you were shooting at the game would look far more generic. FPS thrive on having good enemies and the Helghast are iconic, you want to be looking at them as much as possible, which is going to happen most when they're in your sights.
Shooting ISA would be boring
CE doesn't use pre-convolution nor hierarchial buffer.
Thus the CE3 reflections are always sharp and is enabled when there's enough specular on pixel.
KZ method is used on all surfaces, when surface is very rough the reflection is very blurry, mainly contributing an additional directional component to the surface.
Paper states that it's for stability and speed, also makes additional bounce possible. (might be reserved for some rare cases or scenes.)
JohnnySasaki86
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Did they say in the presentation how many triangles they were pushing for the Shadow Fall demo? I know it was listed to have 40k for characters.
It would give me unlimited satisfaction though.
The Tofunator
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It doesn't have to be boring, though I imagine the resources needed for that would be better suited for a later Killzone game.
Helghast vs earth.
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