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Kojima On Metal Gear Survive: I dont think zombies would appear in such a world"
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Zen_Arcade
Banned
No, the people who created Superman would look silly. Because there is no logic behind the fact that he can have all of those other random powers, but adding another random power in is suddenly unreasonable.
Well I'm sure that they're going to create a context for the zombies in the game. It's almost definitely going to be explained. You're essentially saying that there is no context, despite the fact that the game isn't out until next year and you probably don't have a full idea about what the context of the game is anyway.
Just because there isn't currently any context for it doesn't mean there won't be. It's a fictional world that already has supernatural aspects. There is no reason that this world couldn't have zombies at some point. Way crazier shit has already happened in this world. My whole point is that creating a context for there to be zombies in the MGS universe isn't unreasonable or far fetched.
I think Kojima meant that the series wasn't based around the idea of zombies. There's always some overlying plot/theme towards it. Mainline MGS surrounded itself in political espionage, with the wacky elements to help with the overall message. Survival seems purely based around the concept of the creatures.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yeah, I refuse to believe that Kojima actually takes Metal Gear Solid seriously.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
yea.... wait a minute
I remember somewhere that it was explained the Boss's Crew were enhanced with parasites and shit, but there were fucking ghosts in that game. I really hate how they tried to explain away all the supernatural stuff with just insane techno garbage
Zombegoast
Member
Mgs5 ruined everything. The Cobra Unit and physco Mantis was fine but Kojima over did it with the parasites.
Kinda gave the game a resident evil feel.
The Hamburglar
Banned
Yeah cos parasites, ghosts, men on fire, men having sex with computer ai's and nanomachines are just as stupid...
WhateverItTakes
Banned
Just imagine if we got MGS6. He probably would have gone full assassin's creed and explain that the parasites worked so well on humans because they were created by ALIENS.
I dont think that's CanonWORMHOLES
Political fiction guys.
Its like the raiden suit, its makes your life easier but big boss never had it. Also it never shows up in mgs's that take place in the future,in the stories. Because it would have solved several plots fairly quickly. Like mgs4 and mgr's plots would have been done fast if raiden could fucking teleport
But the bigger point is, the size of the worm hole that swallowed the orginal mother base should have been seen from...miles away. There is no goddamned way that big boss miller paz or venom didnt or the skull soilders in the other helicopters and actively attacking the base picking off stragglers didnt see the fucking giant space time rip.
And no one brought it up
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
But there are already zombies in MGS, at least in Konami's eyes.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Those mythological bisexuals.
If anything zombies are too grounded for the Metal Gear universe at this point
-shadow-
Member
I laughed much louder than I should've.
this is probably correct. everyone is so quick to assume kojima is an idiot who doesn't even pay attention to his own games, but it seems more likely to me that he's referring to the fact that his games may contain supernatural elements, but the context is always based around espionage and global politics.
while metal gear is a series that features vampires, zombies, and ghosts, metal gear is not a series ABOUT vampires, zombies, or ghosts. that's what differentiates survive.
Yeah there's no reason why he would say "I don't think zombies would appear in such a world" if he already included such elements before. Probably some mistranslation in the meaning and/or taking the phrase too literally.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Because Metal Gear Solid games are the pinnacle of realism is video games right?
I know tonnes of chicks who breathe through their skin.
I know tonnes of chicks who breathe through their skin.
Less about defending Survive and more about rolling eyes at Kojimas statement.
ScientificPizza
Banned
karasu
Member
I'm sure he means literal brain-eating zombies with fucking crystals in their heads. Just because he toys with the absurd it doesn't mean he would add everything to the series.
When looking at MGS franchise up until this point you can easily get picture that everything and anything goes.
Well Kojima is a weird man....wouldn't put it pass him.
Also I haven't been keeping up with Survive...but! Why exactly do the zombies have crystals in their heads??
karasu
Member
Well according to the creator of the series it doesn't. There are limits. He plays with the ideas of vampires, ghosts, etc. But that doesn't mean he's also bringing in bigfoot, nelly, satan, and santa clause.
BarringGaffner
Member
Why didn't Konami just make a new map for MGS V? I just want more MGS V! I would have paid full price for a ton of missions without any of the cinematic bs, and I definitely don't want a coop version of the game ffs.
He just didn't play with those idea, he put them into games as is. Later on adding tech reason for them, but MGS games have possessions, vampires and ghosts in them among other supernatural / goofy / weird things. Hell, MGSV has those zombies he thinks don't fit MGS franchise.
Perception of "anything and everything goes" is there and established by creator of franchise himself.
In general it looks a lot like he added elements, characters and things into MGS game of that time just because he was interested in them in that moment. Not because they would make that much sense or maybe even fit into long reaching story arcs.
Statue of Limitation
Member
But in Metal Gear Solid 3 ghosts are a thing.
Also in Metal Gear Solid 4 the nanonmachines damaged some soldiers brains and caused them to act like zombies
And then in Metal Gear Solid V the Parasite Unit can turn soldiers into zombies
The zombie thing is actually overdone in the Metal Gear verse
Also in Metal Gear Solid 4 the nanonmachines damaged some soldiers brains and caused them to act like zombies
And then in Metal Gear Solid V the Parasite Unit can turn soldiers into zombies
The zombie thing is actually overdone in the Metal Gear verse
Battlechili
Banned
I don't think the zombie-like entities in Metal Gear games are quite the same as actual zombies in the sense that they are in Metal Gear Survive. Zombies like the ones in Survive are like things that come from viruses and other oddities like that. I agree with Kojima; zombies don't really fit the Metal Gear universe, which has most of its elements being more scifi and politics oriented rather than trying to survive a zombie infested world. Even if Metal Gear games have always been crazy, I still feel that Survive doesn't really fit.
Not that it needs to; the game Red Dead Redemption had a zombie DLC game and I think its fine. So long as this doesn't affect the main canon of the Metal Gear series I don't think its such a bad thing for Survive to exist.
Not that it needs to; the game Red Dead Redemption had a zombie DLC game and I think its fine. So long as this doesn't affect the main canon of the Metal Gear series I don't think its such a bad thing for Survive to exist.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
These are all small scenes. They aren't the focus of any Metal Gear game.
Kojima puts a lot of dumb shit in his games. Just because he puts vampires or zombies in them, that doesn't stop them from being military themed espionage games.
Metal Gear Survive is trying to just be a survival zombie game, and that's a large departure from past entries.
FlashbladeGAF
Member
How do Survive zombies even eat without a head and a crystal growing out of their neck?
karasu
Member
Vamp isn't literally a vampire. He doesn't turn to ash when the sun comes up. He doesn't turn to mist or a wolf, etc The skulls aren't literal zombies. They aren't dead people returned to life.
Even that's not the strangest detour the IP has taken, given that a tactics-based card game happened on Kojima's watch with the Acid series.
ScientificPizza
Banned
How does a disease get transferred by sound but only if you understand the language?
If you want to poke holes in metal gear logic we're gonna be here awhile
Take it up with Neal Stephenson or any number of authors that explored the idea before.
Also, that was one of the few interesting aspe ts of MGSV's story.
He was asked. And he's now refuted rumors and distanced himself.
Maybe in 2019 we can compare MGS6 with Death Stranding.
Did you press post too early?
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
so what? it doesn't matter if he thinks they belong or not. it's not his game. he isn't part of it.
ScientificPizza
Banned
no
I'm in agreement with you there.
Seems he just meant that MGS isn't a game that would have it's entire focus around zombies, which is true to the series anyway.
Errrm he was asked a question by a fan during an interview.
He also said explicitly that he is not involved in the project in any way.
Ya'll can't even let Kojima have an opinion on something he was asked now smh.
Jacethemindtaker
Neo Member
and he played them like a fiddle