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Kojima On Metal Gear Survive: I dont think zombies would appear in such a world"
- Thread starter snake_eater_raiden
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It was one of the best games of the year though.
Survive...will probably be something like Portable Ops + as far as relevance.
NightShift
Member
It's more the setting of MGSurvive that betrays the franchise, not the zombies themselves. Konami turned one of the most unique and weirdest game series and turned it into a bog-standard co-op zombie game that could easily be mistaken for The Walking Dead if it wasn't for the crystals growing out of their heads.
Also, what's up with all the backlash? Metal Gear was Kojima's work, he gets to say whatever the hell he wants to say about it.
Also, what's up with all the backlash? Metal Gear was Kojima's work, he gets to say whatever the hell he wants to say about it.
From gameplay perspective MGSV was one of the better ones for sure I agree, but at story department and some of character design? Bottom of the barrel tier imo. Constantly felt like it was going all over the place without any red line to follow yet it didn't go anywhere.
SenkiDala
Member
Kojima, I loved all your games, even MGSV which I think is an absolute classic, but come on... There's already "zombies" in MGSV (and don't go on the road "what! no, infected is not same than a zombie!"), and in all the MG series there's so much unrealistic/fantasists characters/ennemies, so don't go shitting on MG Survive just because there are zombies in it...
I love Kojima's work but damn, this f*ing ego... -_-
I love Kojima's work but damn, this f*ing ego... -_-
Polioliolio
Member
When I first saw this, I thought "haha, nice one Kojima! You tell 'em!"
Then I remembered there were zombies in MGSV....
Then I remembered there were zombies in MGSV....
It was lacking but hardly a 'joke without restraint'. It was actually the least funny and unrestrained game of the series. Where was the humor and easter eggs? Well, there were a few. The lack of story is a bigger issue than peoples opinion on its quality.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Yeah, who cares Kojima. You have admitted yourself that MGS is full of plotholes and BS. The series is pure nonsense for fun.
Yes, even because the original zombie's definition is not un-dead maneating people.
for all intents and purposes, yeah
Well they have classic traits of zombies so... yes?
What about the infected in Rec?
They have zombie traits but are in facf demon possesed.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Isn't there a dude made out of bees in MGS3?
I... are you trying to taxonomically classify zombies or something? In videogames, if it looks like a zombie and tries to claw your face in like a zombie, QED, zombie. It doesn't matter if it's controlled by a parasitic wasp, black magic, malignant fungus, rogue nanomachines, crab on face or a mutant virus. They're zombies.
But demon possession is also a genre and sometimes it can get really similar. Look at Evil Within or any game with mental patients. Those things can even talk and build traps. The zombie genre being rather specific is why stuff likeTEW, RE4 or Last of Us use different names. This is nothing new. So yes, in the strictest sense, there aren't 'zombies' in TPP.
And the things in Rec aren't zombies fyi.
But they are all you do, a completely central part of the game. He's also right about the lack of espionage and political fiction. Though Im sure Metal Gears will eventually appear.
Man, he's not even away from Konami for a year and he's already forgotten all about the insane shit he put into his games. Zombies with crystals for heads wouldn't even make the top 10 for weirdest things in MGS.
Hell, one of the boss weapons in MGS4 lets you control your own zombie!
Hell, one of the boss weapons in MGS4 lets you control your own zombie!
slosherbomb
Member
LOL.
Sickboy007
Member
He's the creator - if not the owner - of that world, and he's entitled to his opinion. He should probably focus on his own thing for the time being, but I get that he's not too happy that his name is being linked to what's essentially a not particularly original CoD mode.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
just explain them as nanomachines and it will be fine
I forget what the exact phrase is, but it doesn't necessarily matter that some zombies are fast, some zombies are dumb, some zombies are ultra powerful and some are bloated pusbags full of explosions or whatever. The point is, if they occupy the same space in pop-culture as a zombie, then for all intents and purposes they are a zombie. if they don't - if they make traps and communicate or whatever - then sure, they're not; but reserve that for that, because MGSV zombies clearly don't.
mikefrails
Banned
Paranormal apparitions are more plausible in the reality MGS is based on than straight up B movie zombies. Stop using this to discredit the man.
If you can pull rules out your ass than so can any creator. Aside from demon possession, there are instances of vampires behaving like zombies, I am Legend etc. Its a dumb trope sure, but creators make changes in order for it to fit the world they are creating. Like, sure you can call it idiotic, but he tends to put explanations based on what he already established. If he doesn't think crystaline Zombies fit, then thats that.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The dude designed several missions called "eliminate the wandering puppets." His last game literally had zombies and super zombies controlled by parasites. I mean look a tthis shit, it's literally a found footage zombie outbreak scene that could be placed in any zombie game.
I don't really disagree with him being allowed to proclaim whatever he likes about the universe he created though. I just think that whenever companies say "Oh they're not zombies because of X Y and Z" but they still do the same thing every other zombie in every other video game does, then they're zombies, no matter what the marketing material calls them.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Sounds like Konamis plan worked.
Taunting Kohima by running his baby to the ground.
Taunting Kohima by running his baby to the ground.
People are just calling him on this hypocrisy. There isn't really a consistent philosophy that includes things like characters who can communicate from beyond the grave, or having a person comprised of bees, that also precludes having zombies.
He probably believes that zombies have no place in Metal Gear, but only because he isn't doing it, not because he wouldn't do it.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
This is a cutscene from MGSV:
By that logic, there aren't many zombie movies either, considering they're very rarely referred to as such.
Graphics Horse
Member
Those are ghouls, not zombies
mikefrails
Banned
Nah, doesn't strike "zombies" in my head. It's cool that you feel that way enough to think this scene compares to Survive though.
fvng
Member
If they really wanted to fuck with Kojima, they should have made a Metal Gear game so outstanding that it would have persuaded the world that Metal Gear doesn't need Kojima.
Kojima asked the question? Doesn't mean he doesn't know the answer. Also, did Konami even call these crystal demons zombies? Crystal is like a computer chip. It can store information. Maybe these creatures are more in line with cyborgs. They seem to dislike the satellite for some reason. Maybe it was interfering with their frequencies. Still all scifi, which has always been in MGS.
The Pain isnt comprised of bees though. The Sorrow is a tiny part of the game that could have any number of explanations if you wished.
As for your other point. isnt this whole thread about the fact he essentially did his take? It looks similar enough for most people to call it a zombie just like dozens of other games which used different names. But it doesn't mean he has to just because there are physical resemblences. Basically, were he to do something similar, it would be a language virus and and deal with cultural genoside, not a Zombie hoard mode.
Any examples? Can you not see the difference between Rec, I Am Legend and Resident Evil, 28 Days Later?
He didn't make the games after all?!
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
They're literally referred to as "infected" and the situation is described as an "outbreak."
JigglesBunny
Banned
Despite my total lack of interest in MGSurvive, this is one dumb statement. Skulls were totally zombies and nothing here is all that ridiculous when compared to the rest of the series.
Just focus on Death Stranding, Kojima.
Just focus on Death Stranding, Kojima.
AquaWateria
Member
This guy is full of bullshit.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was salty.....
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eath Stranding is probably gonna be filled with plot holes and dumb shit. I mean I wouldn't be suprised considering Metal Gear. Yet people will defend it.
I wouldn't be surprised if he was salty.....
Edit
eath Stranding is probably gonna be filled with plot holes and dumb shit. I mean I wouldn't be suprised considering Metal Gear. Yet people will defend it.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
but but but they wouldn't make sense in that world !
Lol, a ghoul, mummy, zombie, vampire, infected, man on fire, puppet parasites, re-animators, body snatchers, Jason Voorhees. All this stuff is in the same category. Maybe a traditional walking dead would ruin the game's tone is all he means. I think the story of MG Survive has not been fully told, so I wouldn't call BS just yet.
Pinko Marx
Banned
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