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[ElBoxyBrown]

This guy is full of bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was salty.....

Editeath Stranding is probably gonna be filled with plot holes and dumb shit. I mean I wouldn't be suprised considering Metal Gear. Yet people will defend it.

Hardly salty. He's more like "you do you fam."

 

[Ridley327]

WORMHOLES

Political fiction guys.

And the breakthrough that wormhole technology needed was to capture a jackal.

 

[Tovarisc]

WORMHOLES

Political fiction guys.

You know right that MGSV has wormholes as unlock for extracting assets?

 

[Ridley327]

You know right that MGSV has wormholes as unlock for extracting assets?

Seeing as that's a gif from MGS5, I think the poster is well aware of that.

It's more of a knock on people that attempt to use the whole "well, at least the wacky stuff Kojima does feels believable and consistent" excuse as to why he can get away with it.

 

[TheGameshark]

lol series already has vampires and ghosts. Would zombies really be a stretch in this universe?

 

[Tovarisc]

Seeing as that's a gif from MGS5, I think the poster is well aware of that.

It's more of a knock on people that attempt to use the whole "well, at least the wacky stuff Kojima does feels believable and consistent" excuse as to why he can get away with it.

For some reason I thought it was GIF from trailer of Survive. I could swear I saw that moment in that trailer. If that is GIF from MGSV then totally my bad!

#shame

 

[T-Rex.]

Yeah, ok Kojima.

 

[gafneo]

WORMHOLES

Political fiction guys.

But giant enemy crabs are historical accurate.

 

[Breakage]

Kojima's just trying to elevate himself above his ex-employer. Unlike Splinter Cell, MGS games have been full of wacky characters with supernatural elements. His ego seems to have inflated considerably since he started rubbing shoulders with Hollywood directors and actors.

 

[Pizza]

I'm honestly pretty excited for Survive. MGSV mechanics would all lend themselves super well to a goofy zombie sandbox (a genre I'm honestly pretty sick of)

Sneaking into a zombie filled compound to find some dude who can go back to mother base and join the "baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire" R&D team seems super silly

 

[etta]

Naked woman with superpowers, body parts with their own will and literal ghosts, however, are a fit in Metal Gear's universe.

LOL

 

[Compsiox]

Kojima's just trying to elevate himself above his ex-employer. Unlike Splinter Cell, MGS games have been full of wacky characters with supernatural elements. His ego seems to have inflated considerably since he started rubbing shoulders with Hollywood directors and actors.

I don't get how people get this from one sentence.

 

[Gator86]

This is like the ultimate Kojima thing, where in his head his nonsensical definitions for his universe and lore and narrative all make sense and run on some abstract internal logic that nobody on the outside can fully understand or find coherency in nor is he able to explain it himself.

Yup, Kojima basically exists entirely up his own ass at this point. He makes creative game elements, but everything else is best ignored. I don't know why people try and read so much into what he says/does. It's all bullshit.

 

[Tovarisc]

I don't get how people get this from one sentence.

I would argue it's something that has taken shape over longer period of time and statements like this from him just add to that perception of him.

Edit: Getting away with almost anything and being praised for even stupid shit by your fanbase must do wonders for ones ego and confidence.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

Ghosts, however...

That was just nanites.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

So everyone can complain about the game except Kojima. Got it.

 

[Wagram]

The story of MGSV is a zombie.

 

[Alienous]

So everyone can complain about the game except Kojima. Got it.

People aren't finding issue with the idea of Kojima 'complaining' but the complaints.

 

[The Cartographer]

The story of MGSV is a zombie.

The whole MGS5 project was kinda like a zombie.

 

[Crazy Diamond]

This guy is full of bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was salty.....

Salty? Really? He said what he said with a smile on his face.

 

[SigSig]

People aren't finding issue with the idea of Kojima 'complaining' but the complaints.

People are finding issue with the dumbest shit, then.

 

[Alienous]

People are finding issue with the dumbest shit, then.

Not really.

Saying zombies don't fit Metal Gear when he's had zombies in previous games and things far more ridiculous is something you could take issue with.

It is trivial but this is a gaming discussion forum.

 

[Breakage]

I would argue it's something that has taken shape over longer period of time and statements like this from him just add to that perception of him.

Edit: Getting away with almost anything and being praised for even stupid shit by your fanbase must do wonders for ones ego and confidence.

Yeah this. MGS1 & 2 are two of my favourite of all time, but all the success,fan base fawning and selfies with American and European directors/actors has gone to Kojima's head. It's almost as if he thinks he is better than every other Japanese game dev because he has "connections" in the West.

 

[firelogic]

MGSV proper had zombies or at least close approximations to zombies so Kojima's statement is false.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

People are finding issue with the dumbest shit, then.

No, saying that zombies of all things wouldn't appear in a universe with things that are just as, if not even more far fetched is probably the dumbest thing in this thread.

It's like watching Superman punch through walls, blow ice breath, run faster than a speeding bullet, and fly and then taking issue with the fact that he can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

 

[Wulfram]

No, saying that zombies of all things wouldn't appear in a universe with things that are just as, if not even more far fetched is probably the dumbest thing in this thread.

It's like watching Superman punch through walls, blow ice breath, run faster than a speeding bullet, and fly and then taking issue with the fact that he can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

But Superman's laser eyes are silly.

(Ice breath is silly too, though him having powerful breath is a decent fit)

 

[Zen_Arcade]

But Superman's laser eyes are silly.

(Ice breath is silly too, though him having powerful breath is a decent fit)

It's all silly. It's a universe full of super heroes who constantly do things not possible in reality. Trying to isolate a few of the silly things while pretending that the rest of the things are reasonable is just odd.

 

[Wensih]

They're literally referred to as "infected" and the situation is described as an "outbreak."

So basically the modern day zombie?

The concept of Zombies has evolved over time to parallel modern fears.

Witchcraft
Chemicals/Nuclear waste
Viruses/Parasites/Bacteria

 

[Schlorgan]

Kojima is going to be ashamed of his words and deeds when he finds out why there are zombies in this world.

Best post of the thread.

 

[Crossing Eden]

So basically the modern day zombie?

The concept of Zombies has evolved over time to parallel modern fears.

Witchcraft
Chemicals/Nuclear waste
Viruses/Parasites/Bacteria

This game takes place in the 1980s.

 

[johnnydrama]

This series has had zombies, vampires, and ghosts. And bikini models who breathe through skin. Yeah, alright then, Kojima.

 

[BocoDragon]

Now that he's on the outside, he's looking at MGS like the rest of the world does.

A vampire in a military story? A bee man? Absurd!

 

[LordBaztion]

Oh Kojima
Just keep making more "deep" bikini characters.

 

[RootCause]

This series has had zombies, vampires, and ghosts. And bikini models who breathe through skin. Yeah, alright then, Kojima.

lol so true.

I'm more dissapointed that we aren't getting something else, like a remake of 3, or 4.

 

[Tovarisc]

This game takes place in the 1980s.

Biological threat speaks more to audience of MGSV than nuclear threat that would be more time period fitting.

 

[Soriku]

Paranormal apparitions are more plausible in the reality MGS is based on than straight up B movie zombies. Stop using this to discredit the man.

Lmao, why exactly?

 

[SigSig]

It's like watching Superman punch through walls, blow ice breath, run faster than a speeding bullet, and fly and then taking issue with the fact that he can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

It's like the guys who came up with Superman saying "We don't think he would have heat vision". Which they totally could, and anyone arguing about that would look extremely silly.

 

[Tovarisc]

It's like the guys who came up with Superman saying "We don't think he would have heat vision". Which they totally could, and anyone arguing about that would look extremely silly.

Why? Because they don't agree with creators and debate over issue X? We all should just take everything that e.g. Kojima says at face value, praise him and lift up his decisions / opinions as universally valid and good?

 

[Limit]

He is just being defensive about his creation that he worked on for decades and now has no control over. Simple as that.

 

[SigSig]

Why? Because they don't agree with creators and debate over issue X? We all should just take everything that e.g. Kojima says at face value, praise him and lift up his decisions / opinions as universally valid and good?

The sane reaction would be shrugging and moving on. He got asked about an aspect of an universe he created and shared his opinion on it (which he is absolutely entitled to and looking at the MGS:S reveal thread is hardly an outlandish opinion, the game appearing as a most blatant cashgrab).
He doesn't agree with a creative decision Konami made. If he was making a big scene, I could understand the reaction here.

 

[Robot Pants]

He is just being defensive about his creation that he worked on for decades and now has no control over. Simple as that.

Well from here on out it's about to get a whooole lot worse. And I don't even like anything after MGS3

 

[martino]

animated dead bodies with whatever lore are animated dead bodies to me.
don't know the lore for survive but it won't be difficult to find something as good as mgsV (and with little effort even better)

 

[RPGamer92]

Can't be any worse than BvS.

 

[Oddduck]

Strange quote. Metal Gear became more and more supernatural over the years.

 

[bigboss370]

he's right.

 

[L Thammy]

Has Kojima ever played a Metal Gear game?

 

[Screaming Meat]

what,zombies are basically im mgsv already.

I'm probably being picky but extra-dimensional crystal zombies are a different prospect to cyborg zombie ninjas and victims of mind control. The latter have thematic context; the former don't (as far as we know).

No, saying that zombies of all things wouldn't appear in a universe with things that are just as, if not even more far fetched is probably the dumbest thing in this thread.

It's like watching Superman punch through walls, blow ice breath, run faster than a speeding bullet, and fly and then taking issue with the fact that he can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

Context, innit? It's more like someone saying "Now Superman can do magic" and there being no precedent or context for it.

 

[TissueBox]

Well the truth is that he'd never make a game based around a gameplay gimmick such as co-op zombie survival. He would, however, utilize such gimmicks in his stories to further the main, more political drama/action espionage coating.

In that case what he was probably trying to get across is that zombies should be in the backdrop of the so-called "political fiction", instead of vice versa, as that would not be first priority to him anyway.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

They already do in MGS V...and The Sorrow uses ghosts on you. ????

 

[Alebrije]