Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
The real info here is that Kojima doesn't get paid based on game profits, which means when you buy MGSV, you are supporting Konami 100%.
Awesome.
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Kojima was too expensive apparently
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Pro from Dover
Member
Did Norman Reedus get a check for every free download of P.T.?
gundamkyoukai
Member
No way would he fit in ND , they make games in 2 to 3 years time and are a very efficient studio.
ND gets a blank check but they get things done and both UC3 and TLOU sold more than MGS4 i think.
After all that time they were still "cutting corners by lowering foliage resolution"?
I don't think it's the case.
They spent so much time in development that we get a generation transition in the process. Lack of business vision indeed.
Also they launched a "demo (aka MGS Ground Zeroes) just to make cash.
I don't think it's the case.
They spent so much time in development that we get a generation transition in the process. Lack of business vision indeed.
Also they launched a "demo (aka MGS Ground Zeroes) just to make cash.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Kojima is one thing, what about Kojima Productions? I'm glad HK makes bank, but what about the other commrades we've lost?
It's possible both are sticklers for attention to detail. I just think Kojima is too big for them if that makes any sense.
WhateverItTakes
Banned
Hmm. You reckon ground zeroes was Kojima's compromise? Then by the time it was delayed as far as September Konami just nopped out of there?
If the game has as much content as they've been boasting, they'll be wishing they could sell it for far more than usual RRP if the money issue is this big
If the game has as much content as they've been boasting, they'll be wishing they could sell it for far more than usual RRP if the money issue is this big
MarkMclovin
Member
So they are just as bad as one another then.
Either way, I'll enjoy the game. Couldn't give 2 shits who's name isn't on the front.
Either way, I'll enjoy the game. Couldn't give 2 shits who's name isn't on the front.
I think the addition of those other players might have scared them off. You have a guy racking up huge costs on this one property, only to move him over to another to start all over again, and throw other big personalities in the mix to be payed as well? Does SH have the ability to make back that kind of money? I dunno.
Sounds like Del Toro and him want to do something else together anyway, so you'll get some collaboration down the line, regardless. Maybe.
Iirc various key members are leaving with him and the rest of KojiPro will remain at Konami, dispersed among other teams.
Didn't it sell rather well for a paid demo?
JadedWriter
Member
Konami exec: "Kojima why aren't you shitting out this game?"
Kojima: "I want it to be the best product imaginable."
Konami exec:
Kojima: "I want it to be the best product imaginable."
Konami exec:
Love Deterrence
Member
Konami exec: "Kojima why aren't you shitting out this game?"
Kojima: "I want it to be the best product imaginable."
Konami exec:
Bahahahaha lmao perfect 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
While there is a lot of content in there the whole thing surrounding it I think turned a lot of people off. People viewed it as a paid demo. I think it sold as best it could.
GZ was Konami trying to get some free money I think. It's no doubt GZ should have been the prologue right before TPP.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Or, you know, 8 games.
It probably started a while ago but went out of control around the time they canned MGS Rising and started over with another dev while working on the Fox Engine etc.
Kojima Productions most have been really expensive to support. It's also not surprising to see a demo like Ground MGS:GZ getting sold at a high price to pay the bills...
Kojima Productions most have been really expensive to support. It's also not surprising to see a demo like Ground MGS:GZ getting sold at a high price to pay the bills...
RevolverRoden
Member
Maybe not Kojima himself, but we don't know about everyone else in Kojima Productions.
Not to mention the fact that no one wouldn't want the thing they worked hard on to not sell so... not buying the game based on "principle" is still stupid tbh
AND now we know (assuming this is true) that Konami isn't just firing Kojima because they hate him or whatever people thought was the case, but for a legitimate (kind of arguable, but you get the point) reason.
Yeah but the fox engine looks great on ps4 so that worked out no? It works on last and current gen systems well
AAA publishers fund their own engines, and share technology with all their development teams.
Kojima is a AAA developer working for a B-list publisher though. Even in 2008-2010 there was nothing to indicate that Konami was every going to become an Ubisoft or an Electronic Arts. I'm sure he used them as examples to sell management on the idea of making a whole new engine, but do you really need a new engine if you aren't producing much more than a yearly sports franchise and a biannual-at-best horror game? It may have been an idea that management accepted and was complicit in to be sure, but since he's managing the project Kojima will get the blame when the budget goes out of control.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
If true, it makes sense and Konami is totally in their rights to fire him.
Doesn't rxcuse the supposed mistreatment of KojiPro as a whole, though.
Doesn't rxcuse the supposed mistreatment of KojiPro as a whole, though.
Called it, if confirmed. The studio in LA, Kiefer, Ground Zeroes and the crazy amount of merchandise like they were desperately trying to make cash out of something before the release, new engine from scratch, cross gen, full mocap studio, crazy marketing...
Konami did the right thing for what I care, I for one wouldn't like to throw my money here and there because a guy is either arrogant or just incapable of using a budget for whatever reason, which is probably just another one of his tasks.
They still remains dicks for what they did with covers etc but I totally understand their decision now, even more considering that their focus will shift from AAA if I'm not wrong.
Konami did the right thing for what I care, I for one wouldn't like to throw my money here and there because a guy is either arrogant or just incapable of using a budget for whatever reason, which is probably just another one of his tasks.
They still remains dicks for what they did with covers etc but I totally understand their decision now, even more considering that their focus will shift from AAA if I'm not wrong.
Love Deterrence
Member
gundamkyoukai
Member
Last gen is dead and Konami hardly makes AAA games to take advantage of there custom engine.
This isn't fantasy land.
Konami just can't give him millions of dollars and let him squander it, then delay the product release, etc.
They actually need to make money on their investment. Clearly, his bullshit wasn't worth it anymore. If it was, he'd likely still be there. Not really hard to figure out.
And I'll ask for a third time- Does anyone know how much MGS4 actually made after development costs/marketing?
RevolverRoden
Member
Konami'll probably end up selling the engine to Ubisoft or something when they go bankrupt lel
This. I suspected Kojima wasn't guilt-free in all of this, and while this rumor is unconfirmed, I wouldn't be surprised if hubris played a role in it.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
ffejeromdiks
Banned
Silent Hills definitely factors into this in some capacity, the source only mentions Metal Gear, but I gotta imagine Kojima simultaneously leading another massive investment was making Konami a little uneasy.
RevolverRoden
Member
Doesn't fully answer your question but here:
http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=3028
MGS4 was the best-selling third-party PS3 exclusive with 5.67 million copies sold worldwide.
EDIT:
gundamkyoukai
Member
What is that suppose to show me ?
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
Been saying that from the beginning.
They dont want to risk their whole company on every metal gear release.
They dont want to risk their whole company on every metal gear release.
Most of Ground Zeroes sales' were after discounts had been applied (~6 months after launch), but I think it crawled to 1 million units as of last November.
Whether that's good or bad is hard to say, but I think Konami took it as an indication that they could not count on Phantom Pain to be a GTA-sized megahit.
Bahahahaha
That last gen is not dead.
Father_Brain
Banned
That may be true, but I also suspect Ground Zeroes only exists as a standalone product in the first place because Konami demanded that KojiPro find some way to generate revenue from the project by the end of the 2013/2014 fiscal year.
I make my statement because mgs v tpp does come out on last gen systems so it will pull revenue from there, PES is the only other game using the engine but other teams within the company can use it also. Suikoden would work with the engine and PT was going to use it also
LoveCake
Member
I am sure he has plenty of ideas & his games would bring a new audience to a Nintendo system.
I know it's far fetched, but stranger things have happened.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Incoming Kickstarter project that goes over budget and takes years to come out?
Won't all that shit help recoup costs?
Says someone who doesn't have to pay any of it.