So since he has stopped wanting to make MGS lol?
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So since he has stopped wanting to make MGS lol?
Metal Gear has had online multiplayer since MGS3, IIRC. It's never once caught on in any substantial fashion. At this point you'd think both Konami and Kojima would get the hint that this stuff is neither necessary nor wanted. I have my doubts that Konami really wanted to start up a completely new studio in LA for the sole purpose of developing Metal Gear Online. That seems overly extravagant to me, particularly in an era when management was choosing to farm out every other franchise to 3rd parties (Silent Hill, Castlevania).
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There are nods to it, certainly, some of them very direct but snatcher is its own thing.
Same with policenauts, too. kojima loves doing stuff like that. But neither game is a metal gear in any way.
ZombiePlatypus
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So what about all the other non-Kojima franchises that Konami's thrown to the back-burner? Please. Kojima may have his price, but it's been clear for a while now that Konami's not exactly interested in making actual games all together.
CyberPunked
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This makes me like Kojima more.
Remember. He didn't even want to make MGS4 and it showed. I love it but that game is a damn mess.
Surprisingly he seemed to be having fun with MGSV. Kinda reminds me of the fun he had with MGS2
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I don't know how many times I was shut down on GAF for saying exactly what the OP details.
Perhaps, but If Kojima joins either Rockstar of Naughty Dog, I think they will allow Kojima to do whatever he wants, regardless of cost.
Policenauts is not part of the series
But snatcher has more than "nods." Important plot points between the two series are consistent and referenced.
One of the main characters in Metal Gear Solid V is one of the most important characters in Snatcher. And the work he does in MGSV (and Metal Gear Rising) leads to what he does in Snatcher.
Love Deterrence
Member
Lol. Which is why I said FOR GAMES.
And maybe, maybe not. Who knows. He may write a book, so
Coffee Dog
Banned
MGS2?
I would be having a hell of a time as well if I could toss away material I didn't care for at the expense of someone else. I'm glad he gets to go out like this, because game play wise, it seems like the best MGS. Going out with a bang, I guess.
Publishers like Electronic Arts fund those engines because they frequently release games (as in 1-2 every month) and over time it's less expensive than licensing. Konami's output is almost nothing in comparison. You actually have to make a lot of games if you want to amortize/offset the costs of developing a custom engine.
I don't think that's the whole truth at all though. Mind you this is coming from someone who hasn't composed since MGS3. Again we all knew Kojima and Konami had issues even before this game.
He said after MGS2 that he was done. Then again after MGS3. Then again after MGS4.
It became a routine for kojima to say he was done with the series.
DangerMouse
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R* get away with that sort of attention to detail as they sell an obscene amount of games.
Kojima games sell well enough but never enough for that sort of leniency from the money men at the company.
Gunstar Ikari
Unconfirmed Member
I agree with this.
I mean, who the fuck really cares about foliage textures beyond the folks that frequent Digital Foundry threads?
ZombiePlatypus
Member
So good.
Believe it or not, I'm still confused by what you mean when you say, "for games".
Ally of Justice
Member
Kojima is a creator while Konami is pure business. People (in Konami's case, investors and such) like that always tend to clash.
It's no surprise that the Metal Gear games are so well received, since they're made with love, with a surprisingly huge attention to detail that is so rare to have in games nowadays that has become one of Kojima's trademarks.
In both Kojima's and a creative person's POV, this is worth it, because you're materializing your vision, you want everything to be perfect and as close as possible to the image you have in your head. For a creative person, fidelity to that idea is one of the most important things to have, no matter how much time you need to achieve it.
For a business, you're "stuck", not advancing to complete a product and, in a business' POV, you're wasting time and resources in something that most people won't see or won't care about. Businesses have a lower threshold of how much time and resources can a feature or product have dedicated to it, and it's way, way lower than a creative person would like to have. Obviously, Konami knows that Kojima's attention to detail is a huge part of what Metal Gear is, but even then, since he's getting paid by the time and still spending resources, it's obvious that they would want it to be ready as soon as possible.
It's no surprise that the Metal Gear games are so well received, since they're made with love, with a surprisingly huge attention to detail that is so rare to have in games nowadays that has become one of Kojima's trademarks.
In both Kojima's and a creative person's POV, this is worth it, because you're materializing your vision, you want everything to be perfect and as close as possible to the image you have in your head. For a creative person, fidelity to that idea is one of the most important things to have, no matter how much time you need to achieve it.
For a business, you're "stuck", not advancing to complete a product and, in a business' POV, you're wasting time and resources in something that most people won't see or won't care about. Businesses have a lower threshold of how much time and resources can a feature or product have dedicated to it, and it's way, way lower than a creative person would like to have. Obviously, Konami knows that Kojima's attention to detail is a huge part of what Metal Gear is, but even then, since he's getting paid by the time and still spending resources, it's obvious that they would want it to be ready as soon as possible.
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i guess youre being serious.
Go check the snatcher timeline of events. None of it adds up compared to the Metal Gear timeline. Kojima just likes to make nods to his other games and reusing names and such. That's why Meryl is in Policenauts, for example.
But i digress. Kojima should be making smaller projects like Snatcher and Policenauts from here on out. It suits his narrative-heavy focus much better and at a fraction of the cost
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Love Deterrence
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They clearly have no interest in gaming. If they did, they WOULD need him. Tbh
Thank you for saying everything I wanted to say in a far more eloquent way than I could achieve haha.
Turin Turambar
Member
Speaking of no shit. Everyone is a perfectionist, when you are given a huuge budget and total creative control.
Do you know all those other devs who aren't perfectionists? In most cases, It's because they have limits in their budgets.
The actual metal gear timeline doesn't make sense anymore, either. Kojima retcons the date pretty regularly with the series.
But when Snatcher was first made, the timeline fit without problem, and they continue to make new connections between the series.
Hell, they actually refer to the plots of Metal Gear in Snatcher.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Sounds like Dre.
That's the secret sauce.
That's the secret sauce.
Well, yeah. Their bread is buttered elsewhere nowadays. I never did buy them doing what they did out of spite. I mean, maybe there's a little of that. But as a business decision if this is all true, it just sounds like what should be done at the end of the day.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
The fan wankery about him being an amazing artist must have gotten to his head.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Konami had no money for their franchises because Kojima took all of it. It all makes sense now.
why? kojima wants to release a great polished game, and konami would've been ok with rushing it out of the gate. god forbid an artist wanting his creation to be the best!
Not surprising. Kojima is bloated. And that is not the kind of professional I would want to invest in or work with.
That is a contradicting statement.
That is a contradicting statement.
gundamkyoukai
Member
As much as i like Kojima you can't run a business that way .
And MGS games are not huge sellers that taking 5 years to make one makes sense.
And MGS games are not huge sellers that taking 5 years to make one makes sense.
Maybe when Konami started making FoxEngine in 2010, they had plans for it to be used across multiple franchises like MGS, Silent Hills and PES and maybe new IP.
Who knows.
Point is, the big AAA devs mostly have started using their own engines and I can't blame Kojima for
doing the same at that point in time a few years ago.
Basically konami would release lords of shadow 2 quality of games with every mgs release if they could
Callibretto
Member
Naughty Dog are a pretty efficient studio, they put out games regularly and uncharted 2&3 budget are surprisingly not that big compare to other AAA games out there.
Kojima will totally not fit in ND culture.
I'd still say fuck Konami for shitting the bed with so many good properties over the years. In this instance, they made the right call, though...if this is all true.
SkylineRKR
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Kojima is a creator, not a businessman.
Love Deterrence
Member
Yeah, but it really shouldn't have been done. Silent Hills would have pulled in fans of Silent Hill, Metal Gear/Kojima, del Toro, Walking Dead/Reedus, so on. Seems like a silly idea to throw that away, if they plan to remain in games - which they do given they have begun hiring for the next Metal Gear series.
LowParry
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Well now. We finally have a reason for no new Suikoden.
Yeah, but you don't spend everything in the world to do it, especially on a series that's becoming more and more niche. MGS isn't as popular as when the MGS2 E3 trailer was released and that's all anyone talked about in videogaming for months.
XANDER CAGE
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Sadly for creators with big visions, the money has to come from somewhere.
People have really short memories, so it's probably worth reminding everyone that not even the smashing success of Bioshock Infinite could prevent Irrational Games from being shuttered. You may think that Kojima has a license to print money and a golden IP, but so did Ken Levine.
5-6 year development times like BI and MGS5 have suffered can kill even studios that appear to be successful. Only games like Grand Theft Auto can really afford to spend that long being made, and Metal Gear is no GTA.
It's generally been my working theory that after the somewhat meager sales of Ground Zeroes, Konami decided it was time to cut funding and ship a product.
5-6 year development times like BI and MGS5 have suffered can kill even studios that appear to be successful. Only games like Grand Theft Auto can really afford to spend that long being made, and Metal Gear is no GTA.
It's generally been my working theory that after the somewhat meager sales of Ground Zeroes, Konami decided it was time to cut funding and ship a product.