I see what you mean, but aren't those games tailored to the kind of person that has a lot of time available, just like the Street Fighter's, LoU's and Forza's of the console landscape? That's the point I was trying to make... That mobile games aren't made for us "hardcore" (and I use that term loosely, just in a sense that the "hardcore" crowd devote a lot of time per session), but instead for the "casual".
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Konami's new CEO: Mobile is the future of gaming, is Konami's main platform
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I see what you mean, but aren't those games tailored to the kind of person that has a lot of time available, just like the Street Fighter's, LoU's and Forza's of the console landscape? That's the point I was trying to make... That mobile games aren't made for us "hardcore" (and I use that term loosely, just in a sense that the "hardcore" crowd devote a lot of time per session), but instead for the "casual".
Yes, generally they are for hardcore players who invest deeply in games they play.
Based on your preferences in your (admittedly short) post history, I probably consider you a casual, frankly. I don't mean that a disparaging term as others, do, but I think of consoles (and particularly AAA console games) as mostly casual: they offer convenience and simplicity (or, as you put it, don't require you to invest tons of time), which is totally fine and not something I think is a problem, but it's casual.
Mobile games generally require even less time and are better suited for people who are even more casual. Do you not want to spend 100 hours really getting the hang of a game like DotA2? No problem, consoles offer games you can really master in 20 hours or so. Don't want to spend 20 hours really getting the hang of a game? No problem, mobile has games you can master in an hour or two.
soulassssns
Banned
I guess MGS V will be my very last Konami game.
I really hope I can still enjoy MGS V. I fear I am gonna sit with this bittersweet feeling throughout the game.
Felessan
Member
If there is a market for such features - they will be added eventually. It's just a mobile game space is relatively young and some features are yet to be included. It was the same for PC/video games - Doom also had "narrative" in a text file, still a good game.
Even if looking into this f2p space that everyone hates. They are progressing. Terra battle put emphasis on story, Shiro Neko have both global story (and even many events have their own story) and each character's stories. New mobile FF have outstanding image quality for f2p title.
Because market for simple farm/town building and puzzle solving becomes saturated and companies seeks a way to increase attractiveness of their products by adding secondary features that was excessive and really unnecessary before.
The Lamonster
Member
Any chance Konami will sell their IPs so we can continue to have those series?
We probably will continue to have those series regardless. If you mean specifically on consoles, then historically that has not been common. In the sense that pigs fly, sure, it's possible.
More_Badass
Member
There are mobile games that cater to the hardcore/less causal crowd. Like PC gaming, it's a diverse platform
I don't post a lot on gaf, admittedly
But I see what you mean. Our divergences seem to be based on the landscape that we're used to play. I draw the line on that "even less time" that you talked about, even though I think that I don't need 1 hour or two to get accustomed with mobile game. I think that the majority of PC and console games are designed to absorb and retain the player for too much time in one sitting to be on the same league of mobile games. But, if you think differently, that's fine too.
BlackClouds
Member
They can't make the midrange budget games that would be profitable for them, so it's either mobile, or compete with 250 million dollar GTAV's. They don't want any part of that. Most of the traditional Japanese developers are struggling with this, Capcom, Bandia/Namco, Sega, Square Enix, only Nintendo seems to be able to make the games that they want and still compete.
thehillissilent
Member
Other than F2P mobile titles, I hope that Konami will have the guts to make a "traditional" game title on mobile that is comparable to indie efforts. I mean Unity5 and Unreal Engine 4 can be used. If those traditional mobile games are successful, they could port them digitally to consoles/PC with updated graphics, controls, and added content. However, who am I kidding? They will just bring out Pay-to-win F2P mobile titles.
More_Badass
Member
Rodeo's Warhammer 40k game is going to the first mobile game using Unreal Engine 4
So it's entirely possible. But sadly unlikely. I don't see Konami doing that.
Red Mage
Member
I wish they'd sell Suikoden. They're not using that one, and haven't for years.
nintendoman58
Member
Man, this whole situation with Konami reads like some kind of joke post.
"Hey, did you know that Kojima won't be with Konami anymore after MGSV and that Silent Hills will be cancelled and that they're going to go all mobile?"
If you went back in time like, seven months and said something like that, can you imagine how much of a laugh that would warrant?
And yet look where we are now.
"Hey, did you know that Kojima won't be with Konami anymore after MGSV and that Silent Hills will be cancelled and that they're going to go all mobile?"
If you went back in time like, seven months and said something like that, can you imagine how much of a laugh that would warrant?
And yet look where we are now.
But what's being mourned here isn't the upcoming mobile space - it's the death of a portion of the console\PC market that's chasing the mobile one.
It's a similar sentiment to, i don't know, being bummed that Martin is dedicating his time to the TV show and isn't finishing his books.
Additionally, the set of limitations of the mobile market is, in most cases, actually one of attention span: In nigh all successful mobile games, like old handhelds before them, the expectation of on-the-fly 'bite-sized' playing, with minimal information carry-on between sessions, and extremely short sessions - a medium not conductive to narrative of any type, as it's been demonstrated by the market itself in the last five years.
Also, to date, did we have any mobile game ported to consoles due to it's success?
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MagnaderAlpha
Member
To put it bluntly in a politically incorrect fashion, mobile gaming is "ADD/ADHD gaming".
More_Badass
Member
Threes is on Xbox One; Jet Car Stunts is on PS4/Xbox One. Badland is coming to PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U. Kung Fu Rabbit and Forgotten Memories are on the eShop/coming to Wii U respectively. Submerged is releasing on mobile and PS4/Xbox One. Calvino Noir, a noir-esque heist game, is coming to mobile and Steam. Nihilumbra, Warhammer Quest, Tiny Thief, Hero of Many, Out There, and others are on Steam
Also a lot of the successful premium mobile games - The Room series, Device 6, Year Walk, Monument Valley, Sorcery series/80 Days, etc. - are narrative-focused experiences definitely not suited for short minute-long play sessions
Saucycarpdog
Member
Labeling an entire subset of gamers as "ADHD gamers", I would think, would be a bannable offense.
SliChillax
Member
"We hope that our overseas games such as MGSV and Winning Eleven continue to do well, but we are always thinking about how to push our franchises onto mobile there too."
It's like a horrible April fools joke.
It's like a horrible April fools joke.
CamHostage
Member
But that is not what Konami is chasing in its move to Mobile. Their success stories are Star Wars Force Collection and Dragon Collection and the F2P Powerful Pro Baseball. They are not planning on making Metal Gear VI on an iPhone. If something is good, then great, but in the mobile market, that's rarely the metric that makes you the most money.
Game makers will continue to make interesting games on any platform that's put in front of them, but publishers make product, and the market dictates what products move, not the game makers.
I totally agree that Mobile has great potential for fun and enthralling gaming, but if we use your list of games of mobile greats, we can see that it will probably no longer be be traditional publishers who bring those experiences to us gamers. And if we look at the ridiculous profit margins of King or Rovio or companies like these that Konami and other publishers are chasing, it's hard to fault their choice even if it is bitterly sickening to watch.
Sonic's had four console games within 2012-2014, though.
Angry Birds and Plants vs Zombies. I dont know if PvZ started on PC but its still is a very popular mobile game.
Peggle 1 and 2...again I believe they started on PC first tho. I think Puzzle n Dragons Mario Bros Edition counts. If we are including handhelds. Which puts all this in a grey area anyway since the Vita and 3DS have touch screens. And Sony at one time had a separate mobile games section, that could be accessed on the Vita and many played fine.
I think Sony did away with the mobile games section. Thats probably funny because I dont think many ppl even knew this....(ppl with a Vita probably did) they dabbled in it, it didnt work like they expected and they got out. They didnt totally jump ship to mobile tho...I think thats whats making many upset here. If it woulda took off? Who knows. I wish Konami good luck on whatever they have to do to make profits tho.
I'm glad the moderators don't think like you think in this particular instance then. Way too over sensitive.
The last one was made by western dev. I mean Sega's western publishing arm is alive and well with Alien, Total War, etc.
More_Badass
Member
To be fair, he said "all successful mobile games". What's successful for a big publisher isn't the same metric as what's successful for an indie dev. Monument Valley made about 5x its budget in revenue (little over $1 million to make, earned $5.8 million). The Room 1 & 2 had 5.5 million sales combined. Of course premium games aren't going to make as much as the F2P games, but to say they aren't successful would be wrong and to say all successful mobile games are little bite-sized games with no narrative or whatnot would also be wrong
brandonh83
Banned
I take it that they're going to keep these franchises that nobody wants on mobile and put them on mobile. Makes sense. RIP Castlevania, RIP MGS, RIP Silent Hill.
manipulate
Member
Opiate's being kind of intellectually dishonest in saying that console games are inherently simpler than PC games. Certain genres (RTS, FPS) operate a lot better on PC and at a higher complexity than on console obviously, but this is due to the nature of the control schemes. But no-one would argue that say, fighting games, or even character action games, aren't as sophisticated as these other games - it's just that the different control scheme on arcade/console allows a different kind of complexity.
The problem I see with mobile is that the control scheme is really, really limited. There will be genres that are unique to the mobile form, that take advantage of its few advantages. But these are going to be very limited, and the great bulk of games that exist on consoles simply cannot translate meaningfully to a standard mobile interface. Yes, those add-on peripherals and the like exist, but there are lots of issues with that (standardisation is obviously a big one) and as long as they remain uncommon they're not really worth discussing. I think we'll see in a few years that a few narrow genres will be huge on mobile, but a lot of the traditional experiences won't be replicated at a level that most people would find satisfying.
The problem I see with mobile is that the control scheme is really, really limited. There will be genres that are unique to the mobile form, that take advantage of its few advantages. But these are going to be very limited, and the great bulk of games that exist on consoles simply cannot translate meaningfully to a standard mobile interface. Yes, those add-on peripherals and the like exist, but there are lots of issues with that (standardisation is obviously a big one) and as long as they remain uncommon they're not really worth discussing. I think we'll see in a few years that a few narrow genres will be huge on mobile, but a lot of the traditional experiences won't be replicated at a level that most people would find satisfying.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
I really doubt it, selling them that is.
Though Konami won't be making big games out of them, they know those IPs have value.
Maybe if we're lucky, instead of them being simply relegated to mobile tie-ins, Konami will put in a slight bit of effort/cooperation.
As in, interested, independent team wishes to use Konami IP for already funded game. Konami agrees on the basis of some sort of royalty.
Is this appealing to Konami? I think so, collect money from doing nothing.
Is this appealing to developers, paying money to use an IP they won't own? Probably not.
Fingers crossed one or two studios care enough to do that so we get something out of it otherwise you're better off paying for Bloodstained and forgetting about Konami.
DryEyeRelief
Member
While on that subject, what genres do you guys think can transition to mobile without problem? I see RPGs and puzzle games working.
More_Badass
Member
Turn based strategy, roguelikes, and tactical games work well (The Banner Saga, Frozen Synapse, 868-Hack, Door Kickers)
Adventure games, point & clicks, and interactive fiction (The Longest Journey, Grim Fandango, The Last Express)
Isometric RPGs, CRPGs, certain sims (Prison Architect, Baldurs Gate, King of Dragon Pass, Legend of Grimrock)
Games with more tactile mechanics like Papers Please and SpaceChem
manipulate
Member
Yeah, I think this is what it's going to come down - what experiences can be translated effectively.
I think anything that doesn't need much control fidelity should be ok. Anything where controls matter a lot, I don't see a viable translation.
Imbarkus
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EVA UNIT 01
Member
Sorry it took me so long.
Holy shit.
brandonh83
Banned
Well to be fair we have been complaining about how Silent Hill isn't scary anymore, so.
I'll take my Downpour, warts and all, over what we're likely to get from this series on down the road.
I'll take my Downpour, warts and all, over what we're likely to get from this series on down the road.
ShogunDarius
Member
i'm hoping Konami will sell off the Suikoden, Vandal Hearts and Azure Dreams IP.
I don't see them selling Bomberman as much as I wish they would
I don't see them selling Bomberman as much as I wish they would
Not sure what language this is in, but from the domain, it seems to be Italian?
If it is, can anyone who can understand Italian briefly explain what this article says?
http://www.vg247.it/2015/05/15/kona...edits-di-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/
I heard its about a journalist confirming he saw Kojima Hideos name credited in MGS5 via twitter, but Konami told the journalist to delete his tweet. But since I can't understand Italian, I dunno if thats the case.
If it is, can anyone who can understand Italian briefly explain what this article says?
http://www.vg247.it/2015/05/15/kona...edits-di-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/
I heard its about a journalist confirming he saw Kojima Hideos name credited in MGS5 via twitter, but Konami told the journalist to delete his tweet. But since I can't understand Italian, I dunno if thats the case.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Atlus (Persona, SMT, EO etc)
Yakuza series
Miku franchise
Phantasy Star
Total War
Shining series
Virtua Fighter (rumours of a new instalment iirc)
Whatever team Valkyria/SW/SoA is doing..
Glendemonium
Member
More like:
"Hey, now that we're mobile lets use all these IPs people have been asking about for years!!"
They can make Bomberman a freemium game easily with the powerups and levels you can buy.
Adventure Island? freemium
And God help us, SoTN type game where you pay to level up faster and buy weapons instead of grinding for them.
Yakuza, Miku, Puyo Puyo and Sonic. That's basically it for regular series.
They also outsource stuff like Shining, Phantasy Star or M2's retro reissues still as well.
bigboss370
Member
nvm.
Imbarkus
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