Games could also aim to support a 6-9 (or more) year span of consoles (even if a console is only produced/distributed for 6 years).
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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No it didn't suggest that.
It COULD suggest that, but there were other parts within the posting.
People speculated and used it as a fact.
Cereal Enthusiast
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Dragon Puncher
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Original post:
And Zoetis respons:
You could argue that this doesn't necessarily mention AAA games, but it seems pretty clear that Zoetis is saying the new PS4 will be capable of and focus on getting games to run in 4K.
LostDonkey
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So since I went to bed last night another 30 pages have sprung up.
What's the outlook? Have we had any word from Sony? Is this legit?
What's the outlook? Have we had any word from Sony? Is this legit?
I have a good feeling about Sony's zero-tolerance policy applied for PSVR titles:
If you're game skips one beat, just slightly and dips to 55fps down from 60fps, then they won't approve your game for release.
The ways of the past has been to accept more or less 'anything'.
Somewhat similar strictness should be applied for software in general if console cycles are being shorted (and games supporting multiple of these).
If you're game skips one beat, just slightly and dips to 55fps down from 60fps, then they won't approve your game for release.
The ways of the past has been to accept more or less 'anything'.
Somewhat similar strictness should be applied for software in general if console cycles are being shorted (and games supporting multiple of these).
You won't get any sort of confirmation untill reveal.
Don't do this Sony. I don't like having the option (yes, seriously) of a better hardware without a generational leap, it's one of the reasons I'm a console gamer. I don't want to be weighing the need of an upgrade vs the financials I have.
Also, this thread is out of control, so my Chrome / Opera extension can help if you are one of the late comers.
Also, this thread is out of control, so my Chrome / Opera extension can help if you are one of the late comers.
Fredrik
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No joke. Going by history alone it's quite safe to say that Sony and MS cares a whole lot more about what Nintendo is doing than Nintendo cares about what MS and Sony is doing. And you can bet that MS and Sony knows a whole lot more than us about NX too so when they suddenly decides to upgrade their consoles the same year as Nintendo launches NX then I definitely start to think that NX might have something to do with that.
Midn1ght
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Seeing how the current generation of consoles is big on Remaster, Ultimate Edition, etc... Do you think they will continue that path and selling some kind of "60fps or 4K Edition" or "PS4.5 upgrade pack - $4.99" for games released before a software upgrade or if you bought the PS4 Version ?
Carrying your current library with you as the consoles are getting more powerful every other years is nice, specially if you can have it run better but I have a difficult time thinking they will completely abandon the opportunity to sell the same games multiple times.
Carrying your current library with you as the consoles are getting more powerful every other years is nice, specially if you can have it run better but I have a difficult time thinking they will completely abandon the opportunity to sell the same games multiple times.
You're assuming a lot of stuff that they didn't actually say.
Patronising language like this doesn't go down well me. Rein that shit in.
Joelstinton14
Member
Is there any need to pursue 4K?
It kind of feels like a pointless endeavour. 99% of players aren't really in the position to get the best out of what 4K brings. Living rooms aren't really big enough to house super massive tv's. Bedrooms certainly aren't. The hardware, and software (The console and the games) will be expensive for the maker and the consumer too.
It just strikes me as...like 4K tv's, pure marketing wankery.
It kind of feels like a pointless endeavour. 99% of players aren't really in the position to get the best out of what 4K brings. Living rooms aren't really big enough to house super massive tv's. Bedrooms certainly aren't. The hardware, and software (The console and the games) will be expensive for the maker and the consumer too.
It just strikes me as...like 4K tv's, pure marketing wankery.
IbizaPocholo
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I hope the rumor is true.I want new hardware and the cycle for the consoles of 5-7 years is crazy and i don't like it.I prefer new hardware of new versions each 2-3 years.
Just like Sony always does, just like the PS3 was a "1080P machine", it's purely for marketing.
Blackthorn
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I'm fine with this if it's next year, which it likely is. Feels like it would been long enough by then, even if it's far shorter than previous generations.
Briefing developers now makes sense if they want them to be able to plan ahead for release. It would still make sense even if it was releasing in two years. Information leaking is the risk you take when you let devs know your plans.
I know some people in game dev who have told me all sorts of stuff off the record, some of which took years to materialise. In one case that only recently proved to be true I assumed they were bullshitting me about a game release as I hadn't heard anything about it for years, then bam, it leaks.
TL;DR of my rambling: just because devs are talking about it by no means indicates that it's soon.
Briefing developers now makes sense if they want them to be able to plan ahead for release. It would still make sense even if it was releasing in two years. Information leaking is the risk you take when you let devs know your plans.
I know some people in game dev who have told me all sorts of stuff off the record, some of which took years to materialise. In one case that only recently proved to be true I assumed they were bullshitting me about a game release as I hadn't heard anything about it for years, then bam, it leaks.
TL;DR of my rambling: just because devs are talking about it by no means indicates that it's soon.
This would be a closed box that's being made around rendering PS4 level graphics at 4K, 3 years after the PS4 was released while going from a 28nm process to a 14nm process.
Insane Metal
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I hope this is just baseless speculation and it turns out untrue.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Pretty much this.
I expected they would release at least a UHD BD capable PS4 and it makes perfect sense to make it more compatible with an important peripheral release, the Playstation VR headset, I don't see this as a negative at all, many people eventually upgrade to a slimmer iteration of a console anyway.
This is essentially a Playstation Slim with a lot more bang for buck.
CyberPunked
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Holy shit, 100 pages in a day. Keep on speculating, guys!
What would be wrong with extra effects?
The author explicitly states in follow-up tweets that he was told by developers it was for 4K gaming.
CaptainGyro
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Oh well if it makes you feel any better patronizing language like "wut" as if the person said something nonsensical even though they didn't doesn''t go down well with me. Rein your own shit in
Maybe it makes more sense to stay current rather than making slim consoles. If they are unlikely to ever go below 299-349, why not focus all energy on better hardware for the same price and continue to make the lions share of money on services, accessories, licensing. They wind down production of old models, phase them out at slightly cheaper prices then the new model takes the lead in the marketplace.
iNvid02
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its crazy, i dont think either of them planned for this though, maybe they just realized they made a mistake putting toaster cpu's in these boxes and then with the advent of 4k and vr and how spirited the console industry still is probably made them reconsider if i had to hazard a wild guess.
man e3 is gonna be dope again
Cereal Enthusiast
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I don't know. Actually I still don't know how I feel about this, at first I though it was an insanely bad idea, and the more I think about it the more I could see myself buy a more powerful PlayStation every 3 years.
It really depends on how Sony does this honestly. I'm really curious (if they're doing this I still don't know what will differenciate PS4 of PS5).
If the price don't go up, it's win win situation
Stilton Disco
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You know what I just realised this will also do? Potentially kill any chance of the ps4 selling 100m units, and mean no console manufacturer will ever again be able to drop systems down to super low prices while enjoying ever increasing profit margins as manufacturing costs fall ever lower at generations end. And that's the best case scenario of this idea working and not just being an expensive mistake.
This idea really does suck for everyone that's not got money to burn and doesn't care about late gen game optimisation.
Again, I get why Nintendo and MS would do this, they're fucked regardless, thus have nothing to lose and have a proven track record of bad decision making, but Sony nailed this gen so far, and look to have knocked it out the park with PSVR, so why they'd follow the competition they beat over a cliff I just cannot get my head around.
Really, really hope this is fake.
This idea really does suck for everyone that's not got money to burn and doesn't care about late gen game optimisation.
Again, I get why Nintendo and MS would do this, they're fucked regardless, thus have nothing to lose and have a proven track record of bad decision making, but Sony nailed this gen so far, and look to have knocked it out the park with PSVR, so why they'd follow the competition they beat over a cliff I just cannot get my head around.
Really, really hope this is fake.
It's incredible how well Sony learned from the PS3/X360 era and without fail managed to seize ever single opportunity.
The biggest pain for Microsoft is probably Xbox Live:
It was building up to become their greatest strength, something close to insurmountable by the competition. Now, following all the facepalms of XB1 w/kinect, triple-OS, weak-hardware, hostile DRM & corporate policy... and because of great improvements on Sony's side like their PlayGo play-as-it-installs/download functionality, all the godness that separated Live and PSN last-gen, their take on Share functionality... PSN and PS4 is soaring ahead and taking hold of the wast majority of the console market AT THE OUTSET of consoles becoming more of a service model. It was the worst possible timing for Microsoft to royally screw up.
Cereal Enthusiast
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I'm sure it has already been posted but:
"The OS and libraries become the core of what defines a plateform"
Imagine a world where we will never ever have to buy a remaster, a world where all your old games are automatically running better on your better hardware, a world where the Operating System of the console is actually good.
Edit: And by the way, nobody said that Sony will abandon the vanilla PS4 when PS4.5 will release, of course it will still be there, and priced lower.
EdwardTeach
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There is no way that this makes economic sense for Sony. Releasing .5 hardware with better graphics processing would massively impact on their profitability. If the rumours are true I imagine they are just testing out a prototype in case MS does something like this and are successful with it.
Joelstinton14
Member
Yeah it looks like where the industry is going. Iwata mentioned it too, it seems there is a move towards OS/Libraries rather than a machine. IOS/Android have been so successful, i guess there has to be a move towards this , and it makes sense. If it means everything from here on out is playable on a ps4.23 in 40 years i be ok with that.
It just kind of sucks to learn this a quarter of the way through a generation rather than the start.
It's called a PC.
Marky Mark
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I haven't bought a PS4 yet so, sure, whatever. I'll bite.
I'm still a bit unsure of the pricepoint or the capabilities of this machine, as the news seems too good to believe everything about them, but as I see it, it's really a good situation. The only thing I hate is exclusive games, either this means PS4.5 games or PS3 backwards compatibility exclusive to it, but it doesn't look that way, as it seems to be just a better PS4 with better graphics and more stable framerate.
The best thing out of this is probably that the normal PS4 will get cheaper, that's ideal for people like me that don't have a 4K TV and they just want to play games. As long as Sony doesn't fragment the userbase and treats PS4/PS4.5 users as one, all is good. And I can't see this not happening, as the PSVR is coming this year, so no chance of abandoning the normal PS4.
The best thing out of this is probably that the normal PS4 will get cheaper, that's ideal for people like me that don't have a 4K TV and they just want to play games. As long as Sony doesn't fragment the userbase and treats PS4/PS4.5 users as one, all is good. And I can't see this not happening, as the PSVR is coming this year, so no chance of abandoning the normal PS4.
Cereal Enthusiast
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Yep. But it will still have the convenience of a console, plug & play, no driver problems or whatever.
LowEndTorque
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I just don't see the smartphone hardware business model working for gaming consoles.
civilstrife
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Methamatics101
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I bet it still won't let you create and organize folders.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
The incremental upgrade model works so well for Apple and a constant revenue generator. If Sony is looking to follow this on say a 3 year cycle with backwards compatibility it it going to be a huge win for the consumer and huge win for Sony.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
Yes that maybe the case but I have my doubts that the next iteration of the PS4 will be playing many AAA 4k games really.
GinoFelino
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I'm really angry about this fictional device.