WolfForager
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They should reset console name to simply "Playstation" and come out with a new version every 3 years.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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I guess a new pricing would become something like:
Year 0: Console A - $399 (launch)
Year 1: Console A - $399
Year 2: Console A - $349
Year 3: Console A - $299 / Console B - $399
Year 4: Console A - $249 / Console B - $399
Year 5: Console A - $199 / Console B - $349
Year 6: Console A - $149 / Console B - $299 / Console C - $399
Year 7: Console B - $249 / Console C - $399
Year 8: Console B - $199 / Console C - $349
Year 9: Console B - $149 / Console C - $299 / Console D - $399
...
Year 0: Console A - $399 (launch)
Year 1: Console A - $399
Year 2: Console A - $349
Year 3: Console A - $299 / Console B - $399
Year 4: Console A - $249 / Console B - $399
Year 5: Console A - $199 / Console B - $349
Year 6: Console A - $149 / Console B - $299 / Console C - $399
Year 7: Console B - $249 / Console C - $399
Year 8: Console B - $199 / Console C - $349
Year 9: Console B - $149 / Console C - $299 / Console D - $399
...
Yes that's fair. I'm one of these gamers myself actually.
I don't know - I am excited for this IF it happens. But at the same time, perfectly happy to play my current PS4 for the next year or two.
CaptainGyro
Banned
You completely missed his point. He was wrong in thinking that the .5 upgrade would be a forced upgrade, but what he was saying that if you are going to force somebody to upgrade,and spend another $400 ( which he thought was the case) then make it a big upgrade that could be considered a whole new generational shift instead of just half an upgrade. get it?
Your current PS4 will play all games coming out in the next 5+ years (counting from launch yea?, not actually from 2016-2021), no way they will give up 50 million users.
Newtype-001
Member
I think it will be 4K in the same way the PS3 was 1080p, I.e. it will be capable of driving a 4K display but very few games will natively render at that resolution. Still, it will be native 4K in the home menu and for movies etc, probably with a UHD Blu-ray drive as well.
That scenario seems very plausible to me given Sony's wider interests.
(I don't necessarily think this means Sony is moving to incremental hardware updates. It could just be a one off in order to support other important tech that came just too late for the PS4.)
That scenario seems very plausible to me given Sony's wider interests.
(I don't necessarily think this means Sony is moving to incremental hardware updates. It could just be a one off in order to support other important tech that came just too late for the PS4.)
Sidewinder
Member
I don't get it, of course it might run games in 4K, but no way in hell it'll run at a smooth 60fps, so what's the point?
Playing similar looking games at similar fps but at a higher resolution?? And all that for another 400-500$, L O L ?
Even worse, releasing that updated PS4 around the same time they're trying to push PSVR at a cheap 500$?? Seriously? That might sink the Playstation ship for good.
Why not wait two years more and bring out the PS5 with real 4K and even better PSVR performance? I'm not sure it's a gamble worth taking for Sony.
MS, sure why not, they need to try something as they don't have VR and they'll just fall back on Windows 10 Xbox gaming if it fails.
selfconfessedcynic
Member
I'd actually be OK with this. It'll just join my graphics card and phone on my replace-every-3-years list.
I can afford $399 on a 3 year cycle. I just hope it doesn't screw with the market and things stay at least somewhat forward-compatible (like you're guarenteed 2 cycles before your hardware gets phased out).
It'd be lame if they screw people who don't spend stupid money on gaming stuff like me (ie people who are, you know, financially responsible - UNLIKE me).
He told us TLG will be revealed a month before E3.
He might know some stuff but it doesn't mean he knows EVERYTHING, that's a common mistake people make about insiders all the time, even proven insiders are often wrong (C-boat anyone?)
Yeah but supporting a soon-to-release platform doesn't double that development, if anything it should be pretty minimal. Assets have reached crazy levels already, we are at a certain plateau now, look at Uncharted 4.
Kölsch Bloot
Member
I can see this play out as a major misunderstanding. I.e. PS4.5 actualy is PS4 slim with some miner Hardware uppings like HDMI 2.0 and an UHD BD drive.
Well, we have kotaku with their article *and* him confirming it.
With CBoat there were threads only because of him which is not the case here.
Sources say it's more powerful, it's not just a minor upgrade.
Your exaggerating about this sinking PlayStation but I agree with some of your points yes.
There's positives on the other side but I need to read this massive thread to further understand the situation.
Oh, I believe PS4.5 is real, Kotaku is legit, I'm skeptic towards the additional details (reveal at E3, coming out this year, 4K gaming, cheap etc) provided by Zoetis.
Ivan
Member
I have a feeling that game development has changed way too much for people to understand it in discussions like this.
Like we're stuck in pre-ps3/x360 days.
Things are much more complicated and risky nowadays.
Maybe this has to be the way.
I'll miss focusing brand new console hardware with some nice exclusive though, but I guess they'll find a way to impress us on that more powerful model.
Like we're stuck in pre-ps3/x360 days.
Things are much more complicated and risky nowadays.
Maybe this has to be the way.
I'll miss focusing brand new console hardware with some nice exclusive though, but I guess they'll find a way to impress us on that more powerful model.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The PS4 is selling at a better pace than the PS2. This doesnt make any sense.
Caipirinha
Member
Ok well this has me legit surprised and tbh I don't think it's a good idea for the same reasons as the Xbox One revision. Consoles has pros and cons, the main pro being that it's fixed hardware, this eliminates that.
I guess it makes sense for VR but a fragmented user base is bad for everyone imo.
Will still buy it tho :/
I guess it makes sense for VR but a fragmented user base is bad for everyone imo.
Will still buy it tho :/
//DEVIL//
Member
Here is the funny part. Mot even the fury x and gtx 980ti run the new games at highest settings in 4k and 60 fps
Ivan
Member
I thought from game developer's point of view.
Maybe that reset we get every generation is too much for them in today's circumstances.
PS4 is selling phenomenally, but they still don't have target audience they'd like.
And that's only for very big games, think about all the variety you could get without reseting the userbase. There would be an audience for every concept. At least much easier than through any launch period from past times. .
I still don't like the sound of all this, I'm just thinking....
InquisitorAles
Member
Well, there's a lot people already jealous just after rumors, without knowing actual specs and difference. There will be a lot more when sony will made official announcement (IF sony will announce it)-you don't have to fork over more money!
-your existing ps4 will still be the base for ps4 games!
-this is not a new gen, they have 30m+ userbase on existing ps4 consoles!
-there are only some issues if you're jealous!
Doctor_Thomas
Member
I don't see how this would expand userbases though, surely you're still going to be selling the high end to the early adoptors who will abandon the lesser model?
You're not increasing your userbase, just increasing the amount of units you've sold, which doesn't help developers at all...
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Regardless of this rumour being real, half-truth or fake, here are a couple of points:
1. Sony are not working with Intel or Nvidia for CPU/GPU. That leaves AMD and their APUs. And we must assume Sony will choose an APU again for power efficiency and compact form factor.
2. There is no APU available right now capable of handling 4K gaming. Not even close. The only product AMD have coming that will is their Zen-based APUs with Polaris graphics cores. Even then, this will have to be enhanced for more power. These APUs are scheduled to arrive 2017. Likely summertime at the earliest.
1. Sony are not working with Intel or Nvidia for CPU/GPU. That leaves AMD and their APUs. And we must assume Sony will choose an APU again for power efficiency and compact form factor.
2. There is no APU available right now capable of handling 4K gaming. Not even close. The only product AMD have coming that will is their Zen-based APUs with Polaris graphics cores. Even then, this will have to be enhanced for more power. These APUs are scheduled to arrive 2017. Likely summertime at the earliest.
I don't mind them uprgading in general. But I only got the PS4 a few months ago in preparation for UC4 and PSVR, but could have waited a little longer with the purchase. So hearing about a possible boost for PSVR now that I already got the PS4 sucks.
I have no problem with them going forward with hardware upgrades like this, but if I had known I would have chosen a different entry point for this "last genereation". But maybe I was too blind to see it coming, silly me.
I have no problem with them going forward with hardware upgrades like this, but if I had known I would have chosen a different entry point for this "last genereation". But maybe I was too blind to see it coming, silly me.
Nailed it right on the head, you buy a console with the mindset that it's fixed so you don't need to upgrade it to play current games at higher frame rates or resolution. This eliminates that aspect and makes it seems like consoles will evolve into pcs.
wapplew
Member
If dev only care about hitting big target audience and scare of reset user base, they will want the gen run as long as possible without adding new hardware in the mix.
That way they only make 1 version of the game, save a lot of resource.
Release another hardware within gen only make thing worse for them.
On traditional gen, they do cross gen port the first 2 years, then they drop last gen and make game for current gen only for a few years, and repeat.
Incremental gen however, they have to do 2 maybe 3 port all the time.
lightchris
Member
The CPU doesn't get slower when you upgrade the GPU. It doesn't need to feed more data to the GPU when rendering resolution is increased.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Read my post above. There is no 4K capable machine coming this year or even early 2017. *It's technologically impossible.
*unless Sony is eschewing the console form factorand working with Intel/Nvidia. Almost completely improbable.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Depends. If developers not expected higher power during coding, it could even break a game.
Backfoggen
Banned
People are assuming 4K means 3840x2160 at highest settings, which runs bad even on high-end PCs. There are a billion resolutions between 1920x1080 and 3840x2160 that devs can use that will still be a step up from standard 1080p. A lot of movies are also not mastered at full 4K, yet you see the difference on a 4K TV.
And max detail is not gonna happen on consoles. It's gonna be set to the strengths and weaknesses of the system, just like it always was.
And max detail is not gonna happen on consoles. It's gonna be set to the strengths and weaknesses of the system, just like it always was.
FrozenCell
Member
dump the fucking bluray drive
Kölsch Bloot
Member
This is what I'm thinking as well.
The PS4 is doing great ant they try to push PSVR. Regardless of potential benefits for the latter, I don't see a more powerful version happening. It wouldn't be a long shot to have an upgraded drive and HDMI port in a "slim" version though.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
OMG just woken up to read this wonderful news. I have written many a time that this is the best would be an ideal move. A 4K upgrade for BluRay lovers.
I would be there DAY ONE SONY. DAY ONE.
If l can run all my titles today and wait for patches to run them in 4K (DriveClub, MGs5 etc) it would be a no brainer.
Previous PS4 owners still run their new titles but in lower resolution.
I would be there DAY ONE SONY. DAY ONE.
If l can run all my titles today and wait for patches to run them in 4K (DriveClub, MGs5 etc) it would be a no brainer.
Previous PS4 owners still run their new titles but in lower resolution.
Calm waterfall
Banned
As long as Sony does not abandon the PS4 base by making exclusives for PS4K, which they won´t do, and as long as treat PS4 owners like a second grade with regards to software update, sales, etc.... i have no problem with this. After all this would be just an option for people who want higher resolution and higher frame rate. Also there should not be any obstacle with cross platform play between PS4 and PS4K play online.
anothertech
Member
Wow. Just wow.
Wrapping my head around this. If this has been the plan for both Sony and MS since their development.. This will be interesting. If incremental updates are the path of the future with bc a sure thing going forward, I think I will like this change.
And dam, MS really f*cked themselves over if this was the final console cycle. There's no gaining ground for them at this point.
Wrapping my head around this. If this has been the plan for both Sony and MS since their development.. This will be interesting. If incremental updates are the path of the future with bc a sure thing going forward, I think I will like this change.
And dam, MS really f*cked themselves over if this was the final console cycle. There's no gaining ground for them at this point.
odhiex
Member
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Yes but that Zoetis leaker suggested that it will play the latest games in 4K. Can't find the post.
I'm pretty skeptic about him, but I think he said it will support 4K gaming, doesn't necessarily mean high end AAA games.